U.S. tried to kill Al Sadr by luring him to sign a truce

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Narmer

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I bet you're happy he's still alive, aren't you Narmer?

I won't even bother addressing this bullsh*t... get a frickin' clue already!

Why shouldn't I be? It's men like him that stand in the way of Bush's grand plan to change the Middle East. I will always support the natives in their support against imperialism and the pillaging of nations.

God forbid the day should you have to ever fight for your country against an occupying force.

Imperialism? pillaging? WTF! you make me sick :| you are a classic example of what is wrong with the mideast.

That bolded part makes no sense unless you're a firm believer in "white man's burden". And if you don't think we're pillaging and our actions are imperialistic, then you must be accustomed to reading comic books and Cosmopolitan.
 

jpeyton

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Narmer, it's useless arguing with the "God Bless America" bumper-sticker crowd.

America is always right, everyone else is always wrong. It's the great white vs. black, light vs. dark, us vs. them debate.

You can't expect people who haven't even traveled outside their state, let alone their continent, to understand.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Narmer, it's useless arguing with the "God Bless America" bumper-sticker crowd.

America is always right, everyone else is always wrong. It's the great white vs. black, light vs. dark, us vs. them debate.

You can't expect people who haven't even traveled outside their state, let alone their continent, to understand.

Noted. It's a damn shame that these would-be world leaders don't know anything about the outside world and speak in absolutionist terms. In an age of nuclear weapons and suicide bombers, their reckless behavior will cost this nation dearly.
 

blackllotus

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I bet you're happy he's still alive, aren't you Narmer?

I won't even bother addressing this bullsh*t... get a frickin' clue already!

Why shouldn't I be? It's men like him that stand in the way of Bush's grand plan to change the Middle East. I will always support the natives in their support against imperialism and the pillaging of nations.

God forbid the day should you have to ever fight for your country against an occupying force.

Imperialism? pillaging? WTF! you make me sick :| you are a classic example of what is wrong with the mideast.

The Iraq war was an imperialist venture from the start. We installed Saddam and he got out of control. It was, and still would be, to our advantage to have another country in the Middle East that is favorable to us. Remember, we drew up plans for the Iraq War before 9/11.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I bet you're happy he's still alive, aren't you Narmer?

I won't even bother addressing this bullsh*t... get a frickin' clue already!

Why shouldn't I be? It's men like him that stand in the way of Bush's grand plan to change the Middle East. I will always support the natives in their support against imperialism and the pillaging of nations.

God forbid the day should you have to ever fight for your country against an occupying force.


Well, at least you're honest with whose side you're on, as sick as it may be.

Sick? Invading sovereign nations that posed no imminent threat is not sick? Being lied to is not sick? Watching as your treasury is pillaged for the benefit is of a few not sick? "Supporting the troops" by having them fight pointless wars is not sick?

Well, I'm glad your priorities are crystal clear. Your're one "patriotic" SOB. A good soldier who takes orders and never asks questions. Here's to your lack of criticism and wanton obedience:wine:. You make a good lapdog.

There is a difference between criticizing the war and actively supporting the enemy.....:roll:

Who is the enemy of the American people? Al Sadr? He doesn't give a damn about us. He cares about Iraq and ONLY Iraq. Bush is the one that misrepresents himself and people like you nod your heads in unison like the yes-men a republic loathes so much.

Al sadr cares about himself and only himself. Lets not forget he is still technically wanted for the killing of a rival cleric in Mar 2003. He took advantage of the chaos the war created to kill a competitor.

Great guy you are championing.

He is technically wanted? Great so the US should just murder him then. Wait a minute.
 

palehorse

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a few facts for those of you who keep throwing around the words "imperialist" and "pillaging"...

1) The only people the US military intends to kill in Iraq, or elsewhere, are terrorists.
2) We are not in Iraq to conquer land. If the insurgents put down ALL of their weapons, our military would spend the majority of its time building roads, wells, houses, schools, hospitals, and improvements to their infrastructure. The Special Forces will concentrate on cleaning out the terrorists, but the rest of the military in Iraq would not intend to kill ANY innocent Iraqi citizens.
3) Anyone who attempts to shoot or blow up an American automatically becomes our enemy. period.
4) al Sadr has taken up arms against innocent Iraqi citizens AND the US military. He, and all the other insurgents who attack American soldiers, are NOT "defending their lands from an invader." In fact, because the US is not in Iraq to conquer the lands or enslave the people, the actions of al Sadr and his friends make them terrorists. period.
5) Despising Bush for his policies and actions is no excuse for your embracing of those who would take up arms against American soldiers. In fact, there is NO excuse for doing so. NONE. Anyone who embraces or encourages the actions of our enemies is a bonafied traitor. period.

g'night.
 

blackllotus

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
a few facts for those of you who keep throwing around the words "imperialist" and "pillaging"...

1) The only people the US military intends to kill in Iraq, or elsewhere, are terrorists.
2) We are not in Iraq to conquer land. If the insurgents put down ALL of their weapons, our military would spend the majority of its time building roads, wells, houses, schools, hospitals, and improvements to their infrastructure. The Special Forces will concentrate on cleaning out the terrorists, but the rest of the military in Iraq would not intend to kill ANY innocent Iraqi citizens.

Imperialism != conquering
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: palehorse74
a few facts for those of you who keep throwing around the words "imperialist" and "pillaging"...

1) The only people the US military intends to kill in Iraq, or elsewhere, are terrorists.
2) We are not in Iraq to conquer land. If the insurgents put down ALL of their weapons, our military would spend the majority of its time building roads, wells, houses, schools, hospitals, and improvements to their infrastructure. The Special Forces will concentrate on cleaning out the terrorists, but the rest of the military in Iraq would not intend to kill ANY innocent Iraqi citizens.

Imperialism != conquering
Establishing a stable democracy and rebuilding an infrastructure does not equal imperialism either.

Besides, you appear to be missing the point.

We are not the aggressors in Iraq. If the Iraqi's stopped attacking Americans, we would not have to kill a single Iraqi. See how that works?

Can you argue with any of the facts listed in my previous post?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
We are not the aggressors in Iraq.
Nominated for post of the year. Anybody want to second it?
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: OrByte
We aren't the aggressors in Iraq?!?

LOFL!!

actually we're not. If they stopped shooting at us, we'd stop shooting back at them. See how that works? The only reason there has been any fighting since the downfall of Saddam's government is because some Iraqi's and foreign terrorists decided to continue attacking our troops for no good reason whatsoever. We never intended to keep fighting or killing anyone after Saddam was captured and his military was dismantled. That intention went out the window the minute our current enemies showed themselves.

Like I said above, if they all stopped killing us, we'd get back to building wells, schools, hospitals, etc.

Therefore, no, we are NOT the aggressors in Iraq. Our continued fighting is entirely reactionary.
 

tomywishbone

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
a few facts for those of you who keep throwing around the words "imperialist" and "pillaging"...

1) The only people the US military intends to kill in Iraq, or elsewhere, are terrorists.
2) We are not in Iraq to conquer land. If the insurgents put down ALL of their weapons, our military would spend the majority of its time building roads, wells, houses, schools, hospitals, and improvements to their infrastructure. The Special Forces will concentrate on cleaning out the terrorists, but the rest of the military in Iraq would not intend to kill ANY innocent Iraqi citizens.
3) Anyone who attempts to shoot or blow up an American automatically becomes our enemy. period.
4) al Sadr has taken up arms against innocent Iraqi citizens AND the US military. He, and all the other insurgents who attack American soldiers, are NOT "defending their lands from an invader." In fact, because the US is not in Iraq to conquer the lands or enslave the people, the actions of al Sadr and his friends make them terrorists. period.
5) Despising Bush for his policies and actions is no excuse for your embracing of those who would take up arms against American soldiers. In fact, there is NO excuse for doing so. NONE. Anyone who embraces or encourages the actions of our enemies is a bonafied traitor. period.

g'night.


I'm wondering; is brain washed one word or two? Dude, step away from the Kool Aid.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
a few facts for those of you who keep throwing around the words "imperialist" and "pillaging"...

1) The only people the US military intends to kill in Iraq, or elsewhere, are terrorists.
2) We are not in Iraq to conquer land. If the insurgents put down ALL of their weapons, our military would spend the majority of its time building roads, wells, houses, schools, hospitals, and improvements to their infrastructure. The Special Forces will concentrate on cleaning out the terrorists, but the rest of the military in Iraq would not intend to kill ANY innocent Iraqi citizens.
3) Anyone who attempts to shoot or blow up an American automatically becomes our enemy. period.
4) al Sadr has taken up arms against innocent Iraqi citizens AND the US military. He, and all the other insurgents who attack American soldiers, are NOT "defending their lands from an invader." In fact, because the US is not in Iraq to conquer the lands or enslave the people, the actions of al Sadr and his friends make them terrorists. period.
5) Despising Bush for his policies and actions is no excuse for your embracing of those who would take up arms against American soldiers. In fact, there is NO excuse for doing so. NONE. Anyone who embraces or encourages the actions of our enemies is a bonafied traitor. period.

g'night.

I think Hitler said the same things to the Czechs, French, Poles, Russians, and Belgians when he rolled into their country. Like I said before, you come straight out of a comic-book.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
a few facts for those of you who keep throwing around the words "imperialist" and "pillaging"...

1) The only people the US military intends to kill in Iraq, or elsewhere, are terrorists.
2) We are not in Iraq to conquer land. If the insurgents put down ALL of their weapons, our military would spend the majority of its time building roads, wells, houses, schools, hospitals, and improvements to their infrastructure. The Special Forces will concentrate on cleaning out the terrorists, but the rest of the military in Iraq would not intend to kill ANY innocent Iraqi citizens.
3) Anyone who attempts to shoot or blow up an American automatically becomes our enemy. period.
4) al Sadr has taken up arms against innocent Iraqi citizens AND the US military. He, and all the other insurgents who attack American soldiers, are NOT "defending their lands from an invader." In fact, because the US is not in Iraq to conquer the lands or enslave the people, the actions of al Sadr and his friends make them terrorists. period.
5) Despising Bush for his policies and actions is no excuse for your embracing of those who would take up arms against American soldiers. In fact, there is NO excuse for doing so. NONE. Anyone who embraces or encourages the actions of our enemies is a bonafied traitor. period.

g'night.

Did you attend college?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
If they stopped shooting at us, we'd stop shooting back at them. See how that works?
Is that how war works? We invade a sovereign nation and they are the aggressors for shooting at us?

:laugh:

I look forward to more sig-worthy material from you, sir.
 

JD50

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So is anyone going to refute what Palehorse said or just come up with some more lame one liners like "did you attend college" or "dude step away from the kool aid"?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: JD50
So is anyone going to refute what Palehorse said or just come up with some more lame one liners like "did you attend college" or "dude step away from the kool aid"?
I'll start.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
We are not the aggressors in Iraq.
I refute this statement, because we made the first military strike against Iraq, marking the beginning of the war. Thus, I would argue that we are the aggressors in Iraq.
 

tomywishbone

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Originally posted by: JD50
So is anyone going to refute what Palehorse said or just come up with some more lame one liners like "did you attend college" or "dude step away from the kool aid"?


Oh no!! JD50 done drank the Kool Aid too. All is lost!

Come'on JD, when a lunatic yells at you, when you're standing on the corner, do you argue with him and try and prove your point?

Palehorse as been absorbed.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: JD50
So is anyone going to refute what Palehorse said or just come up with some more lame one liners like "did you attend college" or "dude step away from the kool aid"?


Oh no!! JD50 done drank the Kool Aid too. All is lost!

Come'on JD, when a lunatic yells at you, when you're standing on the corner, do you argue with him and try and prove your point?

Palehorse as been absorbed.

Good point, thats why I stopped arguing with all the lunatics suggesting that Al Sadr is a good guy and not our enemy. I see that you guys are still sticking to the one liners. Have fun.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: JD50
So is anyone going to refute what Palehorse said or just come up with some more lame one liners like "did you attend college" or "dude step away from the kool aid"?
I'll start.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
We are not the aggressors in Iraq.
I refute this statement, because we made the first military strike against Iraq, marking the beginning of the war. Thus, I would argue that we are the aggressors in Iraq.


I believe what he is trying to get at is that currently we are trying to build the infrastructure while we and the Iraqi people are being constantly attacked by insurgents. But I could be wrong, I'll let him speak for himself when he returns.
 

tomywishbone

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: JD50
So is anyone going to refute what Palehorse said or just come up with some more lame one liners like "did you attend college" or "dude step away from the kool aid"?


Oh no!! JD50 done drank the Kool Aid too. All is lost!

Come'on JD, when a lunatic yells at you, when you're standing on the corner, do you argue with him and try and prove your point?

Palehorse as been absorbed.

Good point, thats why I stopped arguing with all the lunatics suggesting that Al Sadr is a good guy and not our enemy. I see that you guys are still sticking to the one liners. Have fun.

Touche. One question though: Was Al Sadr our enemy before we invaded his country?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: JD50
So is anyone going to refute what Palehorse said or just come up with some more lame one liners like "did you attend college" or "dude step away from the kool aid"?


Oh no!! JD50 done drank the Kool Aid too. All is lost!

Come'on JD, when a lunatic yells at you, when you're standing on the corner, do you argue with him and try and prove your point?

Palehorse as been absorbed.

Good point, thats why I stopped arguing with all the lunatics suggesting that Al Sadr is a good guy and not our enemy. I see that you guys are still sticking to the one liners. Have fun.

Touche. One question though: Was Al Sadr our enemy before we invaded his country?

Honestly I don't really know what he was up to before we invaded Iraq, and thats pretty much irrelevant anyways. Right now, Al Sadr is killing innocent civilians and killing Americans, that makes him our enemy, no matter how some of the sickos try to validate what he does.
 

tomywishbone

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"...Right now, Al Sadr is killing innocent civilians and killing Americans, that makes him our enemy, no matter how some of the sickos try to validate what he does..."



That's where we differ. I put right & wrong first. You put America first. That's the way it goes.
 

Craig234

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I am *appalled* by the behavior of my government.

You DO NOT use peace talks as traps for killing your enemy, period.

I want anyone who approved of this out of power.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: tomywishbone
"...Right now, Al Sadr is killing innocent civilians and killing Americans, that makes him our enemy, no matter how some of the sickos try to validate what he does..."



That's where we differ. I put right & wrong first. You put America first. That's the way it goes.

perfectly stated. Thank you sir.