U.S. to Give Border Patrol New Powers to Deport Illegal Aliens

[conjur]

NY Times Article

ASHINGTON, Aug. 10 ? Citing concerns about terrorists crossing the nation's land borders, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it planned to give border patrol agents sweeping new powers to deport illegal aliens from the frontiers abutting Mexico and Canada without providing the aliens the opportunity to make their case before an immigration judge.

The move, which will take effect this month, represents a broad expansion of the authority of the thousands of law enforcement agents who currently patrol the nation's borders. Until now, border patrol agents typically delivered undocumented immigrants to the custody of the immigration courts, where judges determined whether they should be deported or remain in the United States.

Homeland Security officials described the immigration courts ? which hear pleas for asylum and other appeals to remain in the country ? as sluggish and cumbersome, saying illegal immigrants often wait more than a year before being deported, straining the capacity of detention centers and draining critical resources. Under the new system, immigrants will typically be deported within eight days of their apprehension, officials said.

Immigration legislation passed in 1996 allows the immigration service to deport certain groups of illegal aliens without judicial oversight, but until now the agency only permitted officials at the nation's airports and seaports to do so. The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex.

"There is a concern that as we tighten the security of our ports of entry through our biometric checks that there will be more opportunity or more effort made by terrorists to enter our country through our vast land borders," Asa Hutchinson, the undersecretary for border security at the Department of Homeland Security, said at a news conference.

"We recognize that we have to secure those and that's the president's first principle of immigration reform," Mr. Hutchinson said. "America must secure its borders and this is a part of that effort."

The decision was hailed by officials who have long complained that the nation's porous borders represent a serious threat to national security. But it prompted a flurry of criticism from advocates for immigrants who warned that the new system lacked adequate safeguards to ensure that people fleeing persecution, American citizens lacking paperwork or other travelers with legitimate grounds would not be improperly deported.

Mr. Hutchinson said that border agents would be trained on asylum law and that immigrants who demonstrated a credible fear of persecution would be sent to see immigrant judges, not returned to hostile governments. "That right," he said of the right to apply for asylum, "is very important."

But Homeland Security officials provided little details about the training, and advocates said that they feared that mistakes would be made when border agents decide who will be deported and who will not, often in the vast, inhospitable plains of the southern deserts.

Finally, DHS doing something worthwhile.

 

[datalink7]

without providing the aliens the opportunity to make their case before an immigration judge.

I'm curious actually... what "case" is there to make if you are an illegal alien?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: datalink7

without providing the aliens the opportunity to make their case before an immigration judge.

I'm curious actually... what "case" is there to make if you are an illegal alien?

Political asylum; refugee

 

[Kibbo]

Ok,

I know the problems you guys are having with your southern border, and could easily view this as a good thing. A few reservations though:

What does "focus" on non-Canadians mean? What about those with dual citizenship? And what about those US citizens they decide must be "focused" on? When you deport a Canadian citizen, what country will you deport him to? This is a big issue up here. There have been a few cases of the US gov't deporting Canadian-Syrians back to Syria, where they were arrested and tortured for months or years. Now, there are rumours of complicity of my own gov't in these events, but we're working on them up here. Also, to which country would you deport Canadian Permanent Residents (Landed Immigrants in you lingo, I think.)

I am also a bit concerned with how this might affect trade between our two countries, but I think that my gov't will be able to work out those issues with yours.

Also, what does a "trained" customs official mean? Can a weekend training course adequately prepare a college student to determine issues of asylum law?

I'm not neccessarily against the new policy in and of itself, but I am very wary about the details.

 

[Todd33]

Wow, watch out angry hispanic vote!!

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
What does "focus" on non-Canadians mean? What about those with dual citizenship? And what about those US citizens they decide must be "focused" on?

Originally posted by: conjur
NY Times Article...
Immigration legislation passed in 1996 allows the immigration service to deport certain groups of illegal aliens without judicial oversight, but until now the agency only permitted officials at the nation's airports and seaports to do so. The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians , and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex..

Finally, DHS doing something worthwhile.[/quote]

There you go. If you're crossing from Mexico, don't be Albanian; if you're crossing from Canada, don't be Senegalese.

 

[FelixDeCat]

What is so racist about proclaiming "America for Americans?"

Evertime I suggest we tighten border security and keep illegals out, I get at least 10 suggestions of racism.

But yet if you try to go into Mexico illegally (or China) and stay you cant get healthcare, welfare, etc. Youll go to jail and if you make it youll get deported. What the heck?!

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: illustri


There you go. If you're crossing from Mexico, don't be Albanian; if you're crossing from Canada, don't be Senegalese.

My point was that "focus" is a vague term that implies exceptions. They could've used "exclusively," for example. It also didn't address the issue of dual citizenship, or Permanent Resident Status. Now, If they decide to deny access to either of these groups, I wouldn't have much of a problem with that, as long as Canada would be the destination for deportation in those cases. In fact, I would love to see an open consultation with my government on the final destination of any rejected travellers. Not on the decision on whether or not to let them in, just where they deport them to.

 

[freegeeks]

where is canoworms when you need him

 

[booger711]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Kibbo
What does "focus" on non-Canadians mean? What about those with dual citizenship? And what about those US citizens they decide must be "focused" on?

Originally posted by: conjur
NY Times Article...
Immigration legislation passed in 1996 allows the immigration service to deport certain groups of illegal aliens without judicial oversight, but until now the agency only permitted officials at the nation's airports and seaports to do so. The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians , and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex..

Finally, DHS doing something worthwhile.

There you go. If you're crossing from Mexico, don't be Albanian; if you're crossing from Canada, don't be Senegalese.[/quote]

lol

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

The illegal Mexican Zerg Rush is killing our country slowly but surely. In 50 years the US is going to look like Mexico City. Terrorists aside, the borders need to be patrolled by the Military, and all current 15 million illegals syphoning off public money need to be deported. I for one, am ready and willing to pay more for produce if the farmers have to raise their wages to get US citizens to do the job.

My Plan:

End the Drug War
All current Drug War funding is used for Military border patrol(Which would cut the limbs off the drug war anways)
Stiff penalties for Buisnesses who hire illegals. Massive fines and possibly jail time.
Possible Expiring Tax Credits to buisnesses who normaly hire illegals, until market upheavel has leveled out.

 

[Drift3r]

How about we get rid of dual citzenship as well. I don't trust people with dual citizenships. Frankily once you are 18 or 21 you should be made to choose IMHO. Either you are a American citizen or you are not. End of story !

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
The illegal Mexican Zerg Rush is killing our country slowly but surely. In 50 years the US is going to look like Mexico City. Terrorists aside, the borders need to be patrolled by the Military, and all current 15 million illegals syphoning off public money need to be deported. I for one, am ready and willing to pay more for produce if the farmers have to raise their wages to get US citizens to do the job.

My Plan:

End the Drug War
All current Drug War funding is used for Military border patrol(Which would cut the limbs off the drug war anways)
Stiff penalties for Buisnesses who hire illegals. Massive fines and possibly jail time.
Possible Expiring Tax Credits to buisnesses who normaly hire illegals, until market upheavel has leveled out.

It will never happen I am sad to say. The fact is you can't get anyone who is native born or a citizen to work 12 hours bent over in field even if they only have a highschool education. Also once unions are invovled the price of food will sky rocket out of control. If you think paying 2-3 dollars per gallon of gas is bad wait untill you get the increased bill for the health, union and "living wage increase" on that cesar salad. Then again if anything companies just rather buy food from over seas instead of dealing with pesky demanding American workers if it came down to it.

 

[colonel]

the Inmigration Naturalization still has a lot of problems with LEGAL residents, my brother married a girl from Argentina, and after a Year she has no paper on hand o stamp on her passport to visit his sick father. We are talking about rights of the american people, walk to to the next INS and see how the service sucks because the INS dont have money to help our country.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur
NY Times Article

ASHINGTON, Aug. 10 ? Citing concerns about terrorists crossing the nation's land borders, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it planned to give border patrol agents sweeping new powers to deport illegal aliens from the frontiers abutting Mexico and Canada without providing the aliens the opportunity to make their case before an immigration judge.

The move, which will take effect this month, represents a broad expansion of the authority of the thousands of law enforcement agents who currently patrol the nation's borders. Until now, border patrol agents typically delivered undocumented immigrants to the custody of the immigration courts, where judges determined whether they should be deported or remain in the United States.

Homeland Security officials described the immigration courts ? which hear pleas for asylum and other appeals to remain in the country ? as sluggish and cumbersome, saying illegal immigrants often wait more than a year before being deported, straining the capacity of detention centers and draining critical resources. Under the new system, immigrants will typically be deported within eight days of their apprehension, officials said.

Immigration legislation passed in 1996 allows the immigration service to deport certain groups of illegal aliens without judicial oversight, but until now the agency only permitted officials at the nation's airports and seaports to do so. The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex.

"There is a concern that as we tighten the security of our ports of entry through our biometric checks that there will be more opportunity or more effort made by terrorists to enter our country through our vast land borders," Asa Hutchinson, the undersecretary for border security at the Department of Homeland Security, said at a news conference.

"We recognize that we have to secure those and that's the president's first principle of immigration reform," Mr. Hutchinson said. "America must secure its borders and this is a part of that effort."

The decision was hailed by officials who have long complained that the nation's porous borders represent a serious threat to national security. But it prompted a flurry of criticism from advocates for immigrants who warned that the new system lacked adequate safeguards to ensure that people fleeing persecution, American citizens lacking paperwork or other travelers with legitimate grounds would not be improperly deported.

Mr. Hutchinson said that border agents would be trained on asylum law and that immigrants who demonstrated a credible fear of persecution would be sent to see immigrant judges, not returned to hostile governments. "That right," he said of the right to apply for asylum, "is very important."

But Homeland Security officials provided little details about the training, and advocates said that they feared that mistakes would be made when border agents decide who will be deported and who will not, often in the vast, inhospitable plains of the southern deserts.

Finally, DHS doing something worthwhile.

Hmm.. homeland security wouldn't exist without Bush.. does Bush get kudos on this?

 

[Spencer278]

Of courses this will do nothing to prevent terrorists from entering the country. In fact it is a real stupid idea to deport terrorist.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
NY Times Article

ASHINGTON, Aug. 10 ? Citing concerns about terrorists crossing the nation's land borders, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it planned to give border patrol agents sweeping new powers to deport illegal aliens from the frontiers abutting Mexico and Canada without providing the aliens the opportunity to make their case before an immigration judge.

The move, which will take effect this month, represents a broad expansion of the authority of the thousands of law enforcement agents who currently patrol the nation's borders. Until now, border patrol agents typically delivered undocumented immigrants to the custody of the immigration courts, where judges determined whether they should be deported or remain in the United States.

Homeland Security officials described the immigration courts ? which hear pleas for asylum and other appeals to remain in the country ? as sluggish and cumbersome, saying illegal immigrants often wait more than a year before being deported, straining the capacity of detention centers and draining critical resources. Under the new system, immigrants will typically be deported within eight days of their apprehension, officials said.

Immigration legislation passed in 1996 allows the immigration service to deport certain groups of illegal aliens without judicial oversight, but until now the agency only permitted officials at the nation's airports and seaports to do so. The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex.

"There is a concern that as we tighten the security of our ports of entry through our biometric checks that there will be more opportunity or more effort made by terrorists to enter our country through our vast land borders," Asa Hutchinson, the undersecretary for border security at the Department of Homeland Security, said at a news conference.

"We recognize that we have to secure those and that's the president's first principle of immigration reform," Mr. Hutchinson said. "America must secure its borders and this is a part of that effort."

The decision was hailed by officials who have long complained that the nation's porous borders represent a serious threat to national security. But it prompted a flurry of criticism from advocates for immigrants who warned that the new system lacked adequate safeguards to ensure that people fleeing persecution, American citizens lacking paperwork or other travelers with legitimate grounds would not be improperly deported.

Mr. Hutchinson said that border agents would be trained on asylum law and that immigrants who demonstrated a credible fear of persecution would be sent to see immigrant judges, not returned to hostile governments. "That right," he said of the right to apply for asylum, "is very important."

But Homeland Security officials provided little details about the training, and advocates said that they feared that mistakes would be made when border agents decide who will be deported and who will not, often in the vast, inhospitable plains of the southern deserts.

Finally, DHS doing something worthwhile.

Hmm.. homeland security wouldn't exist without Bush.. does Bush get kudos on this?

Only because Bush was feeling the pressure to create one.

Remember how he fought to keep it from being a cabinet-level position? There are many things Bush has fought that were greatly needed.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
NY Times Article

ASHINGTON, Aug. 10 ? Citing concerns about terrorists crossing the nation's land borders, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it planned to give border patrol agents sweeping new powers to deport illegal aliens from the frontiers abutting Mexico and Canada without providing the aliens the opportunity to make their case before an immigration judge.

The move, which will take effect this month, represents a broad expansion of the authority of the thousands of law enforcement agents who currently patrol the nation's borders. Until now, border patrol agents typically delivered undocumented immigrants to the custody of the immigration courts, where judges determined whether they should be deported or remain in the United States.

Homeland Security officials described the immigration courts ? which hear pleas for asylum and other appeals to remain in the country ? as sluggish and cumbersome, saying illegal immigrants often wait more than a year before being deported, straining the capacity of detention centers and draining critical resources. Under the new system, immigrants will typically be deported within eight days of their apprehension, officials said.

Immigration legislation passed in 1996 allows the immigration service to deport certain groups of illegal aliens without judicial oversight, but until now the agency only permitted officials at the nation's airports and seaports to do so. The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex.

"There is a concern that as we tighten the security of our ports of entry through our biometric checks that there will be more opportunity or more effort made by terrorists to enter our country through our vast land borders," Asa Hutchinson, the undersecretary for border security at the Department of Homeland Security, said at a news conference.

"We recognize that we have to secure those and that's the president's first principle of immigration reform," Mr. Hutchinson said. "America must secure its borders and this is a part of that effort."

The decision was hailed by officials who have long complained that the nation's porous borders represent a serious threat to national security. But it prompted a flurry of criticism from advocates for immigrants who warned that the new system lacked adequate safeguards to ensure that people fleeing persecution, American citizens lacking paperwork or other travelers with legitimate grounds would not be improperly deported.

Mr. Hutchinson said that border agents would be trained on asylum law and that immigrants who demonstrated a credible fear of persecution would be sent to see immigrant judges, not returned to hostile governments. "That right," he said of the right to apply for asylum, "is very important."

But Homeland Security officials provided little details about the training, and advocates said that they feared that mistakes would be made when border agents decide who will be deported and who will not, often in the vast, inhospitable plains of the southern deserts.

Finally, DHS doing something worthwhile.

Hmm.. homeland security wouldn't exist without Bush.. does Bush get kudos on this?

Only because Bush was feeling the pressure to create one.

Remember how he fought to keep it from being a cabinet-level position? There are many things Bush has fought that were greatly needed.

I think I get it now.. anything bad government does Bush is directly responsible for, anything GOOD government does Bush somehow was against it and another part of the government gets the credit. You've pretty much tossed out any attempts at being fair haven't you?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Only because Bush was feeling the pressure to create one.

Remember how he fought to keep it from being a cabinet-level position? There are many things Bush has fought that were greatly needed.

I think I get it now.. anything bad government does Bush is directly responsible for, anything GOOD government does Bush somehow was against it and another part of the government gets the credit. You've pretty much tossed out any attempts at being fair haven't you?

No, you don't get it. You never will as you do not see any fault with Bush. That's your problem. You're blinded by partisan politics.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: KibboThere have been a few cases of the US gov't deporting Canadian-Syrians back to Syria, where they were arrested and tortured for months or years. Now, there are rumours of complicity of my own gov't in these events, but we're working on them up here.

I remember one case along these lines. The guy claimed he had no ties to terrorism, but in fact had a "known member" of a terrorist group co-sign on apartment lease (IIRC). He comes to the US, and based on information from the Canadians, we deport him to Syria. Sharing this information was within the realm of reason for the Canadians. In fact, I would be hesitant to call them an ally if they hadn't, knowing we had arrested this individual.

I see this as just one of the risks of dual citizenship. Sure, you may see benefits as well, but in the case of a dual citizenship individual, who do you think should have the choice of where he/she is deported, the individual or the deporting nation?