U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Afghan Allies’ Abuse of Boys

HTFOff

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"It's just their culture"

"If this huts' a rockin' don't come a knockin'"

"Bush planned 9/11"

KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.

“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/w...ghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?referrer=&_r=0
 

Hugo Drax

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It's legal in Afghanistan. They cannot intervene because they are not enforcing local laws.
 

Atreus21

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It's legal in Afghanistan. They cannot intervene because they are not enforcing local laws.

Yeah. F that.

Stand for something. If you're ordered to ignore the sexual assault of boys, it's worth getting kicked out of the service to rescue one kid.
 
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All the more reason our Army should act like a fucking Army not a security force or police force or trainers or anything else that doesn't fit.
 

Jaskalas

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Yeah. F that.

Stand for something. If you're ordered to ignore the sexual assault of boys, it's worth getting kicked out of the service to rescue one kid.

Rescue? We are there to enforce it. He'd be stopped and detained by our own soldiers. The boy sent right back to where he "belongs", and then probably tortured and executed for the "treason" of allowing a US soldier to "rescue" him.

If the soldier stood for something, that'd require going through our own men - guns blazing. It's nothing but suicide.
 

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Rescue? We are there to enforce it. He'd be stopped and detained by our own soldiers. The boy sent right back to where he "belongs", and then probably tortured and executed for the "treason" of allowing a US soldier to "rescue" him.

Probably this. The only solution is to silently kill the ones responsible for the abuse.
 

John Connor

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President once again is a pussy. I'm sure Trump or any other Republican candidate running now would say fuck this shit. It's called moral obligation. And frankly if the goat fuckers don't like it they can join the rest in hell where they were bombed to.
 

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You can't bomb your key allies in the war on terror.. which is why Bush never had the balls to go into Pakistan for Bin Laden.

Your words pussy sound way better than wimp which all Conservatives are.
 
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This isn't new. It was apparently known about and ignored at least as far back as 2006 and it wasn't just American troops.

"Canadian soldiers serving in Afghanistan have been ordered by commanding officers "to ignore" incidents of sexual assault among the civilian population, says a military chaplain who counsels troops returning home with post-traumatic stress disorder.

The chaplain, Jean Johns, says she recently counselled a Canadian soldier who said he witnessed a boy being raped by an Afghan soldier, then wrote a report on the allegation for her brigade chaplain.

In her March report, which she says should have been advanced "up the chain of command," Johns says the corporal told her that Canadian troops have been ordered by commanding officers "to ignore" incidents of sexual assault. Johns hasn't received a reply to the report.

While several Canadian Forces chaplains say other soldiers have made similar claims, Department of National Defence lawyers have argued Canada isn't obliged to investigate because none of the soldiers has made a formal complaint, says a senior Canadian officer familiar with the matter.

"It's ridiculous," the officer says. "We have an ethical and moral responsibility to pursue this, not to shut our eyes to it because it would make it more difficult to work with the Afghan government."

http://www.thestar.com/news/2008/06/16/dont_look_dont_tell_troops_told.html
 

Jaskalas

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"It's ridiculous," the officer says. "We have an ethical and moral responsibility to pursue this, not to shut our eyes to it because it would make it more difficult to work with the Afghan government."

Withdraw all troops and apply economic sanctions that only lift when human rights are established.
If they manage anything resembling a terrorist attack you bomb them back to the stone age and wait another few decades to see if the next King Cockroach is a bit more... pragmatic. Rinse repeat.
 

John Connor

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You can't bomb your key allies in the war on terror.. which is why Bush never had the balls to go into Pakistan for Bin Laden.

Your words pussy sound way better than wimp which all Conservatives are.


Pakistan is full of Pussy's and I would get Shakil Afridi out of jail and leverage that with ending their 1.5 billion funding from us.

Ally my ass.
 

John Connor

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You can't bomb your key allies in the war on terror.. which is why Bush never had the balls to go into Pakistan for Bin Laden.

Your words pussy sound way better than wimp which all Conservatives are.


Who said bomb them?

The President has a lot of power to stop things like this. I would talk to the Afghanistan President, maybe even go to the UN (Like that would do anything) and if I get the middle finger than I will as Commander in Chief take action.

Once again the ball is in Obozo's court and yet he lacks the leadership necessary to be a good Commander in Chief.
 
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Newbian

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It sucks but guess what.... it isn't our country so even if it's something horrible like it is how would we force our beliefs on other nations unless we plan on actually taking control instead of trying to just be a police force?
 

John Connor

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I just wonder how we would handle something like this in WWII? Morals have gone to shit and the upper echelon are full of PC pussy's.

The Commander in Chief:

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President once again is a pussy. I'm sure Trump or any other Republican candidate running now would say fuck this shit. It's called moral obligation. And frankly if the goat fuckers don't like it they can join the rest in hell where they were bombed to.

You are such a nut case.
 

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If you tolerate and ignore it, what makes you better than the local taliban fans? The only difference between your "allies" and "enemies" seems to be uniforms.

The way of blindly following "the rules" while throwing away basic human morals is hard to understand. The big question of course is "Why are you over there NOW?".
 

MongGrel

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"Afghanistan is the most daring and ambition mission in the history of NATO." --George W. Bush, Bucharest, Romania, April 2, 2008

:p
 
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pcgeek11

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The religion of Piece. As in a piece of a small young boy.

What a bunch of sick pieces of crap.
 

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QUESTION


Cultural relativity is completely bogus. Some things are just wrong--and some cultures are just inferior. (For example, cultures that allow "honor killings" of girls and women for sexual transgressions: those cultures are inferior, stupid, barbaric, and just bad. So are cultures that allow rape of little boys.)

Why are we so afraid of saying so? I am so tired of hearing, for instance, about the abuse of women in countries like Saudi Arabia and of hearing that "that's their culture." Abuse of Jews in Germany in the 1930s was part of the culture there, as was the abuse of blacks in South Africa in the era of apartheid. For some reason we are and were okay with saying those were human rights abuses. But when it comes to sexual crimes against women and children and the oppression of women, well, "that's their culture."

Let's ALWAYS speak out against abuse--the abuse of anyone. These are our values. And cultures that value human dignity, personal choice, bodily integrity, women's (and men's, and children's) rights are just better than those that don't. Period.
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You are a bigoted racist if you question it, thanks to political correctness, liberals, and the faux race card.

Cultural mores are no excuse for the abuse of others, and, in particular, children. This sort of abuse also happened in Rochdale in Britain, where a gang of mostly Muslim British Pakistani men got away with the repeated sexual assault of mostly white underaged girls while social workers and police stood by and did nothing, reportedly for fear of accusations of racism. For shame. If this is representative of the culture, then it is a depraved culture.

Captain Quinn, Sergeant Martland, and Corporal Buckley are true heroes.
 
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To me the real problem is Police recruits doing this while on US bases. You can argue its an accepted practice in Iraq. That doesn't mean we couldn't apply pressure (aid) to have it changed and it certainly doesn't mean it needed to be tolerated on US bases. Imagine a soldier bringing a homeless kid to a base then he's raped by a cop. How does this help us out?
Who knew this was happening, who didn't speak up and who ordered it to be kept quiet.