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palehorse

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: palehorse74


But, like Eskimo, you dont know the first thing about grunts, or why we join the military.

There is no "we" to who you speak for, you are a partisan wingnut who does not speak for the military and in no way represents the way they think, like I said, you spend more time on here trying to feed us rw bs then interacting with fellow servicemembers no doubt, what would you know of the military? nothing, you live and breathe drudge and limbaugh crap and other folks to cowardly to serve in the first place while basing folks who served in other branches who dont buy into your crap, go you.
lol.. ohhh how I missed you steeple. We're all so glad that you made it back from burning the effigy in time to contribute here in this thread! GJ!

I was a grunt for more than eight years, serving in both the 82nd and 29th ID's... I dont need a Navy dropout telling me how things are in the military for grunts, trust me.

Like I said, I've never known a single grunt who enlisted for the $.... not one. you'd have to be a moron to do so.
 
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Also, our troops aren't in Iraq for the money... they are in the Army for the money, which just at the moment happens to include Iraq. Anyone who tries to tell you that the average grunt is in the Army to defend America is LYING to you. .
wtf do you know about "grunts"? You were in the Navy ffs.

I do not know a SINGLE enlisted grunt who joined for the money to be made while on AD, even when it's tax-free. They have many reasons for joining, and educational benefits are probably near the top of the list, but I don't know a single one in it for the cash. Joining for money might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Everything you just wrote sounds like a super-pogue's view of life in the military. I suggest you go hang out with some real grunts and ask them why they joined. If a single one of them says "for the money," I will be VERY surprised.

Go on, get out there and ask... I dare you.

This grunt says you are full of sh*t.

If you go in for help with college tuition, or to improve your resume to get a better job, then you ARE IN FOR THE MONEY. Thanks for playing though.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: palehorse74

Like I said, I've never known a single grunt who enlisted for the $.... not one. you'd have to be a moron to do so.

Plenty of folks I know did, young familys looking for stability who the american dream failed etc.

Try getting off hannitys jock sometime and you too may visit reality.
 
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: dphantom
Since there is so much confusion over miltary pay, I thought it would be sensible for all the idiots on both sides to post a link to the military pay scales so you can all just shut up.

CLICK HERE if you want the facts

try these FY2007 charts instead:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/2007paycharts/l/bl07enlbasepay1.htm

After 10 years in the service, I get a whopping $2831.40/mo basic pay when I'm on active duty.

yay.. i must be RICH!

morons...

Heheheh, I made almost that much with less than a year in while sitting on Virginia Beach drinking 4 days a week...and that was 14 years ago. Thanks for your service btw. :cool:
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Also, our troops aren't in Iraq for the money... they are in the Army for the money, which just at the moment happens to include Iraq. Anyone who tries to tell you that the average grunt is in the Army to defend America is LYING to you. .
wtf do you know about "grunts"? You were in the Navy ffs.

I do not know a SINGLE enlisted grunt who joined for the money to be made while on AD, even when it's tax-free. They have many reasons for joining, and educational benefits are probably near the top of the list, but I don't know a single one in it for the cash. Joining for money might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Everything you just wrote sounds like a super-pogue's view of life in the military. I suggest you go hang out with some real grunts and ask them why they joined. If a single one of them says "for the money," I will be VERY surprised.

Go on, get out there and ask... I dare you.

This grunt says you are full of sh*t.

If you go in for help with college tuition, or to improve your resume to get a better job, then you ARE IN FOR THE MONEY. Thanks for playing though.
no, you would then be in it for the "educational benefits" or "for the experience."

Both of which may lead to more money -later- in life, but this issue came up when one of the dolts above stated that our troops are in Iraq for cash.

try to keep up... annnnd thanks for playing. :p
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Also, our troops aren't in Iraq for the money... they are in the Army for the money, which just at the moment happens to include Iraq. Anyone who tries to tell you that the average grunt is in the Army to defend America is LYING to you. .
wtf do you know about "grunts"? You were in the Navy ffs.

I do not know a SINGLE enlisted grunt who joined for the money to be made while on AD, even when it's tax-free. They have many reasons for joining, and educational benefits are probably near the top of the list, but I don't know a single one in it for the cash. Joining for money might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Everything you just wrote sounds like a super-pogue's view of life in the military. I suggest you go hang out with some real grunts and ask them why they joined. If a single one of them says "for the money," I will be VERY surprised.

Go on, get out there and ask... I dare you.

This grunt says you are full of sh*t.

You realize that San Diego is a marine town as well as navy right? And that there are marines on all the amphibs here? I talked to Marines CONSTANTLY. I spent three months straight at sea with "real grunts". Guess what, they joined for money and benefits. (In my original posting I said money and benefits... but later that was changed to money, my bad).

That military pay scale only tells you 1/3rd of the story. The only pay that is mentioned there is the base pay. That tends to be around half of what a soldier who isn't straight out of boot camp makes in a month. So I did a little breakdown of what I would be making right now if I were still in.

Base pay: $2273
BAH: $1379 (tax free... so add 25%) Adjusted for tax rate- $1723
BAS: $279 (tax free) Adjusted for tax rate -$350
Sea pay: $300

Total $4646 per month, or $55,752 per year for someone with 6 years in who has nothing more then a high school diploma. Not bad at all if you ask me.

And honestly palehorse, shame on you for only mentioning your base pay... you know better then that. By omitting some of the largest sources of income for military members you badly misrepresented their pay. That just damages your credibility.

Note: There are many other incentive pays that I chose not to include that could jack it up even further.
 

Steeplerot

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The armed forces are nothing but a socialist nightmare for people whom the american dream failed, one you can die trying to move up in, luckily for people like palehorse there will always be wars as long as people like him are around so he can sit on his ass and post pro-government talking points while sucking up tax dollars while losing a war at the same time, typical govt employee laziness. What a hero!
 
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Also, our troops aren't in Iraq for the money... they are in the Army for the money, which just at the moment happens to include Iraq. Anyone who tries to tell you that the average grunt is in the Army to defend America is LYING to you. .
wtf do you know about "grunts"? You were in the Navy ffs.

I do not know a SINGLE enlisted grunt who joined for the money to be made while on AD, even when it's tax-free. They have many reasons for joining, and educational benefits are probably near the top of the list, but I don't know a single one in it for the cash. Joining for money might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Everything you just wrote sounds like a super-pogue's view of life in the military. I suggest you go hang out with some real grunts and ask them why they joined. If a single one of them says "for the money," I will be VERY surprised.

Go on, get out there and ask... I dare you.

This grunt says you are full of sh*t.

If you go in for help with college tuition, or to improve your resume to get a better job, then you ARE IN FOR THE MONEY. Thanks for playing though.
no, you would then be in it for the "educational benefits" or "for the experience."

Both of which may lead to more money -later- in life, but this issue came up when one of the dolts above stated that our troops are in Iraq for cash.

try to keep up... annnnd thanks for playing. :p

No, the end goal is the money. Not saying everyone mind you, but anyone who joins for any reason that leads to money joined FOR THE MONEY. It's only if you don't get or don't care about ANY economic advantage you gained that you can honestly say you joined for another reason. Like me for instance. It turned out that I did make a lot (for me) which was fine, but I joined entirely to fulfill my obligation as a citizen. Had I made only $500 a month (starting pay at the time) with no GI Bill and never put it on my resume I still would have done it.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The armed forces are nothing but a socialist nightmare for people whom the american dream failed, one you can die trying to move up in, luckily for people like palehorse there will always be wars as long as people like him are around so he can sit on his ass and post pro-government talking points while sucking up tax dollars while losing a war at the same time, typical govt employee laziness. What a hero!

Spoken like a true know nothing who apparently has never talked to a military member except possibly for the few disgruntled ones who agree with you.

Thanks for your ignorance.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Also, our troops aren't in Iraq for the money... they are in the Army for the money, which just at the moment happens to include Iraq. Anyone who tries to tell you that the average grunt is in the Army to defend America is LYING to you. .
wtf do you know about "grunts"? You were in the Navy ffs.

I do not know a SINGLE enlisted grunt who joined for the money to be made while on AD, even when it's tax-free. They have many reasons for joining, and educational benefits are probably near the top of the list, but I don't know a single one in it for the cash. Joining for money might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Everything you just wrote sounds like a super-pogue's view of life in the military. I suggest you go hang out with some real grunts and ask them why they joined. If a single one of them says "for the money," I will be VERY surprised.

Go on, get out there and ask... I dare you.

This grunt says you are full of sh*t.

You realize that San Diego is a marine town as well as navy right? And that there are marines on all the amphibs here? I talked to Marines CONSTANTLY. I spent three months straight at sea with "real grunts". Guess what, they joined for money and benefits. (In my original posting I said money and benefits... but later that was changed to money, my bad).

That military pay scale only tells you 1/3rd of the story. The only pay that is mentioned there is the base pay. That tends to be around half of what a soldier who isn't straight out of boot camp makes in a month. So I did a little breakdown of what I would be making right now if I were still in.

Base pay: $2273
BAH: $1379 (tax free... so add 25%) Adjusted for tax rate- $1723
BAS: $279 (tax free) Adjusted for tax rate -$350
Sea pay: $300

Total $4646 per month, or $55,752 per year for someone with 6 years in who has nothing more then a high school diploma. Not bad at all if you ask me.

And honestly palehorse, shame on you for only mentioning your base pay... you know better then that. By omitting some of the largest sources of income for military members you badly misrepresented their pay. That just damages your credibility.

Note: There are many other incentive pays that I chose not to include that could jack it up even further.
most junior enlisted soldiers do NOT receive BAH, unless they are married. And, if they do receive TDY or BAH, most landlords in the vicinity of a base charge EXACTLY what soldiers get in BAH/TDY, or more. So rent = BAH, or more. So we're back to base pay and a few extras like combat pay, jump pay, and BAS...

Honestly, any young person that enlists strictly for the $$ they will make is a grade-A moron.. and I didn't serve with many morons.
 

Steeplerot

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Keep defending your holier then thou socialist big government hero, the armed forces, you all just look more foolish by the day, tiny pawns with no clue being eaten by the wheels of the very machine you defend.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Also, our troops aren't in Iraq for the money... they are in the Army for the money, which just at the moment happens to include Iraq. Anyone who tries to tell you that the average grunt is in the Army to defend America is LYING to you. .
wtf do you know about "grunts"? You were in the Navy ffs.

I do not know a SINGLE enlisted grunt who joined for the money to be made while on AD, even when it's tax-free. They have many reasons for joining, and educational benefits are probably near the top of the list, but I don't know a single one in it for the cash. Joining for money might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Everything you just wrote sounds like a super-pogue's view of life in the military. I suggest you go hang out with some real grunts and ask them why they joined. If a single one of them says "for the money," I will be VERY surprised.

Go on, get out there and ask... I dare you.

This grunt says you are full of sh*t.

If you go in for help with college tuition, or to improve your resume to get a better job, then you ARE IN FOR THE MONEY. Thanks for playing though.
no, you would then be in it for the "educational benefits" or "for the experience."

Both of which may lead to more money -later- in life, but this issue came up when one of the dolts above stated that our troops are in Iraq for cash.

try to keep up... annnnd thanks for playing. :p

No, the end goal is the money. Not saying everyone mind you, but anyone who joins for any reason that leads to money joined FOR THE MONEY. It's only if you don't get or don't care about ANY economic advantage you gained that you can honestly say you joined for another reason. Like me for instance. It turned out that I did make a lot (for me) which was fine, but I joined entirely to fulfill my obligation as a citizen. Had I made only $500 a month (starting pay at the time) with no GI Bill and never put it on my resume I still would have done it.
I joined primarily to serve my nation, have some adventures, and to gain some educational benefits... When I was 17, making lots of money was the last thing on my mind... and, based on my experience, most of my brethren joined for very similar reasons.
 
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Also, our troops aren't in Iraq for the money... they are in the Army for the money, which just at the moment happens to include Iraq. Anyone who tries to tell you that the average grunt is in the Army to defend America is LYING to you. .
wtf do you know about "grunts"? You were in the Navy ffs.

I do not know a SINGLE enlisted grunt who joined for the money to be made while on AD, even when it's tax-free. They have many reasons for joining, and educational benefits are probably near the top of the list, but I don't know a single one in it for the cash. Joining for money might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Everything you just wrote sounds like a super-pogue's view of life in the military. I suggest you go hang out with some real grunts and ask them why they joined. If a single one of them says "for the money," I will be VERY surprised.

Go on, get out there and ask... I dare you.

This grunt says you are full of sh*t.

You realize that San Diego is a marine town as well as navy right? And that there are marines on all the amphibs here? I talked to Marines CONSTANTLY. I spent three months straight at sea with "real grunts". Guess what, they joined for money and benefits. (In my original posting I said money and benefits... but later that was changed to money, my bad).

That military pay scale only tells you 1/3rd of the story. The only pay that is mentioned there is the base pay. That tends to be around half of what a soldier who isn't straight out of boot camp makes in a month. So I did a little breakdown of what I would be making right now if I were still in.

Base pay: $2273
BAH: $1379 (tax free... so add 25%) Adjusted for tax rate- $1723
BAS: $279 (tax free) Adjusted for tax rate -$350
Sea pay: $300

Total $4646 per month, or $55,752 per year for someone with 6 years in who has nothing more then a high school diploma. Not bad at all if you ask me.

And honestly palehorse, shame on you for only mentioning your base pay... you know better then that. By omitting some of the largest sources of income for military members you badly misrepresented their pay. That just damages your credibility.

Note: There are many other incentive pays that I chose not to include that could jack it up even further.
most junior enlisted soldiers do NOT receive BAH, unless they are married. And, if they do receive TDY or BAH, most landlords in the vicinity of a base charge EXACTLY what soldiers get in BAH/TDY, or more. So rent = BAH, or more. So we're back to base pay and a few extras like combat pay, jump pay, and BAS...

Honestly, any young person that enlists strictly for the $$ they will make is a grade-A moron.. and I didn't serve with many morons.

I dunno...they lower entrance standards much lower and morons will be able to qualify. :cool:

My BAQ was not quite half again my rent. All my other allowances were more than I spent as well. Not saying it was a HUGE amount over, but it was definitely over. Could have saved even more if I'd shared rent with others, which many do.

Seriously, in survey after survey one of the top reasons for joining the military IS money...in the form of education benefits, other benefits, 16yr retirement benefits (not sure if they still offer this), a paycheck for people with no other skills/education, a resume builder, etc. If ANY of those reasons are why someone joined then they joined for the money. The paycheck you get is hardly the only money that comes from service.

Again, I'm not saying everyone. Some people are like me and would have done it no matter what. But if you took away ALL the other stuff I'd bet you'd lose 50-70% of your volunteer military during peace time.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Keep defending your holier then thou socialist big government hero, the armed forces, you all just look more foolish by the day, tiny pawns with no clue being eaten by the wheels of the very machine you defend.
This coming from an "enlightened" San Franciscan who dropped out of the military after two months and who has also bragged about eating from trashcans.

So, which one of us has been "eaten by the wheels of the very machine"?

oh ya...
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: HarveyWhy is it so hard for right wing idealogues to defend the Constitution they pretend to support?

Did anyone say that what they did was illegal? No.

Did anyone advocate making it illegal? No.

Do you only criticize those things which are illegal? No.

Is this your new standard? You will now only criticize or condemn things that are illegal? Your response to this is just sad.
First, I support their Constitutionally protected right to say whatever they want to say, whether I like it or not. Second, I do NOT condemn them for anything. I agree with their message, and whether or not you approve of the aesthetics of how they present it, it got the attention they wanted, including yours.

You've got the same freedom to say you don't like it, and you did so you're even. That's the American way. :thumbsup: :cool: :thumbsup:
My problem is with the looney lefties coming into this thread and making excuses for the actions of their buddies...
The good news is, it's your problem. Get over it!

I have no problem with being called a "leftie." Here... I'll save you the effort for a few posts...

I'm a leftie. ;) I'm a leftie. :cool: I'm a leftie. :D

Happy?

I'd add that, from what I've seen of your thinking, I'd rather people think of me as "looney" than as a sycophant to George W. Bush and his criminal band of traitors. :|
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Also, our troops aren't in Iraq for the money... they are in the Army for the money, which just at the moment happens to include Iraq. Anyone who tries to tell you that the average grunt is in the Army to defend America is LYING to you. .
wtf do you know about "grunts"? You were in the Navy ffs.

I do not know a SINGLE enlisted grunt who joined for the money to be made while on AD, even when it's tax-free. They have many reasons for joining, and educational benefits are probably near the top of the list, but I don't know a single one in it for the cash. Joining for money might be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Everything you just wrote sounds like a super-pogue's view of life in the military. I suggest you go hang out with some real grunts and ask them why they joined. If a single one of them says "for the money," I will be VERY surprised.

Go on, get out there and ask... I dare you.

This grunt says you are full of sh*t.

You realize that San Diego is a marine town as well as navy right? And that there are marines on all the amphibs here? I talked to Marines CONSTANTLY. I spent three months straight at sea with "real grunts". Guess what, they joined for money and benefits. (In my original posting I said money and benefits... but later that was changed to money, my bad).

That military pay scale only tells you 1/3rd of the story. The only pay that is mentioned there is the base pay. That tends to be around half of what a soldier who isn't straight out of boot camp makes in a month. So I did a little breakdown of what I would be making right now if I were still in.

Base pay: $2273
BAH: $1379 (tax free... so add 25%) Adjusted for tax rate- $1723
BAS: $279 (tax free) Adjusted for tax rate -$350
Sea pay: $300

Total $4646 per month, or $55,752 per year for someone with 6 years in who has nothing more then a high school diploma. Not bad at all if you ask me.

And honestly palehorse, shame on you for only mentioning your base pay... you know better then that. By omitting some of the largest sources of income for military members you badly misrepresented their pay. That just damages your credibility.

Note: There are many other incentive pays that I chose not to include that could jack it up even further.
most junior enlisted soldiers do NOT receive BAH, unless they are married. And, if they do receive TDY or BAH, most landlords in the vicinity of a base charge EXACTLY what soldiers get in BAH/TDY, or more. So rent = BAH, or more. So we're back to base pay and a few extras like combat pay, jump pay, and BAS...

Honestly, any young person that enlists strictly for the $$ they will make is a grade-A moron.. and I didn't serve with many morons.

Your argument is illogical and disingenuous. First of all... no landlords don't charge what BAH gives. (or at least PLENTY don't) I always... always took home extra money every month from my BAH.

Most importantly though... how big a load of crap to you expect people to swallow? Not counting housing allowance as pay? I'm going to take a wild guess and say that most people use some of their civilian pay for rent where they live. Should that not count towards their earnings either? Why are we counting BAS then? Aren't they just going to eat the food? Cut that out too!

Regardless...How is $55,000 a year for someone with a high school diploma not REALLY good? What do you mean they're dumb for joining for the money?

Second of all, all soldiers E-5 and above (and E-5 is easy to get if you're not an idiot.. I got it in 2 years.) receive BAH.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Keep defending your holier then thou socialist big government hero, the armed forces, you all just look more foolish by the day, tiny pawns with no clue being eaten by the wheels of the very machine you defend.
This coming from an "enlightened" San Franciscan who dropped out of the military after two months and who has also bragged about eating of trashcans.

So, which one of us has been "eaten by the wheels of the very machine"?

oh ya...

Not true about my service sorry, not even close actually. (But being wrong seems to be a rw specialty) Have you guys EVER been right btw?

And dumpster fare is not so bad, better then some food I had in the service ;)
 

nullzero

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The kids burning the flag and fake solider are nothing but a bunch of punk anarchist kids trying to get attention. Dont worry about them im sure the FED is already on it with survillance of everyone one of the kids lol.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: HarveyWhy is it so hard for right wing idealogues to defend the Constitution they pretend to support?

Did anyone say that what they did was illegal? No.

Did anyone advocate making it illegal? No.

Do you only criticize those things which are illegal? No.

Is this your new standard? You will now only criticize or condemn things that are illegal? Your response to this is just sad.
First, I support their Constitutionally protected right to say whatever they want to say, whether I like it or not. Second, I do NOT condemn them for anything. I agree with their message, and whether or not you approve of the aesthetics of how they present it, it got the attention they wanted, including yours.

You've got the same freedom to say you don't like it, and you did so you're even. That's the American way. :thumbsup: :cool: :thumbsup:
what exactly was "their message" as they burned a US soldier in effigy? something tells me that you have a very different interpretation of said message than 99% of your fellow citizens...

Now, had they burned an effigy of GWB, then I wouldn't care very much at all.. but a SOLDIER?! That's just plain sick and un-American.. Do they have the "right" to do so? Of course! but that doesnt make them any less despicable.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Keep defending your holier then thou socialist big government hero, the armed forces, you all just look more foolish by the day, tiny pawns with no clue being eaten by the wheels of the very machine you defend.

It must be so sad to have all that bitterness and anger inside you. To live a life of disappointment with no apparent hope for improvemnet while we who have chosen a military path for any number of reasons have become successful.

The military, before I retired two years ago, gave me a purpose. I joined not to get rich and never had more than a few bucks to spare most month's. And still, I enjoyed every bit of it and would encourage anyone with the right reasons to do service for their country. Very few higher callings than the willingness to lay down one's life for the down trodden like you or the helpless, young and infirm.
 

Steeplerot

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It was not a "US Soldier" it was a stuffed uniform with no markings, quit trying to spin it into more then it is then a bunch of kids making a statement about militarism.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Keep defending your holier then thou socialist big government hero, the armed forces, you all just look more foolish by the day, tiny pawns with no clue being eaten by the wheels of the very machine you defend.

It must be so sad to have all that bitterness and anger inside you. To live a life of disappointment with no apparent hope for improvemnet while we who have chosen a military path for any number of reasons have become successful.

The military, before I retired two years ago, gave me a purpose. I joined not to get rich and never had more than a few bucks to spare most month's. And still, I enjoyed every bit of it and would encourage anyone with the right reasons to do service for their country. Very few higher callings than the willingness to lay down one's life for the down trodden like you or the helpless, young and infirm.

blah blah blah, you sure bought into that crap didnt you? are you sure you actually served?

Sure don't talk like it.

Anyhow, enjoy pumping gas or being a min wage security guard, what most service members wind up with as careers in the real world. (that is if you are not homeless begging change with no legs)
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Keep defending your holier then thou socialist big government hero, the armed forces, you all just look more foolish by the day, tiny pawns with no clue being eaten by the wheels of the very machine you defend.

It must be so sad to have all that bitterness and anger inside you. To live a life of disappointment with no apparent hope for improvemnet while we who have chosen a military path for any number of reasons have become successful.

The military, before I retired two years ago, gave me a purpose. I joined not to get rich and never had more than a few bucks to spare most month's. And still, I enjoyed every bit of it and would encourage anyone with the right reasons to do service for their country. Very few higher callings than the willingness to lay down one's life for the down trodden like you or the helpless, young and infirm.

blah blah blah, you sure bought into that crap didnt you? are you sure you actually served?

Sure don't talk like it.
have you ever really been in the service Steeple? I dont need details.. a simple Yes/No will suffice.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
It was not a "US Soldier" it was a stuffed uniform with no markings, quit trying to spin it into more then it is then a bunch of kids making a statement about militarism.
well since you probably held the lighter, would you mind telling us what your message really was, and who the "mystery soldier" was supposed to represent?

 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
It was not a "US Soldier" it was a stuffed uniform with no markings, quit trying to spin it into more then it is then a bunch of kids making a statement about militarism.
well since you probably held the lighter, would you mind telling us what your message really was, and who the "mystery soldier" was supposed to represent?

No idea who they are, but when folks do stuff like this at protests is is usually against militarism, hence the uniform and my guess.