U.S. Senate inquiry targets 6 televangelists and their organizations

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U.S. Senate inquiry targets 6 televangelists and their organizations

By Eric Gorski, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS





Acting on tips about preachers who ride in Rolls Royces and have purportedly paid $30,000 for a conference table, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee said Tuesday he's investigating the finances of six well-known TV ministers.

Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa said those under scrutiny include faith healer Benny Hinn, Georgia megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar and one of the country's best known female preachers, Joyce Meyer.

Grassley sent letters to the half-dozen Christian media ministries earlier this week requesting answers by Dec. 6 about their expenses, executive compensation and amenities, including use of fancy cars and private jets.

In a statement, Grassley said he was acting on complaints from the public and news coverage of the organizations.

"The allegations involve governing boards that aren't independent and allow generous salaries and housing allowances and amenities such as private jets and Rolls Royces," Grassley said.

"I don't want to conclude that there's a problem, but I have an obligation to donors and the taxpayers to find out more. People who donated should have their money spent as intended and in adherence with the tax code."

Those ministries that responded Tuesday either said they were co-operating or committed to financial transparency and following the law.

The investigation promises to shine new light on the kind of TV ministries that were crippled by sex and money scandals in the 1980s. Experts also say it stands out as an unusual case of the government probing the inner workings of religious organizations.

Most of those under investigation preach a variation of the "prosperity gospel," the teaching that God will shower faithful followers with material riches.

Grassley's letters went to:

-Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas, a $20 million organization and prosperity gospel pioneer. Questions were raised about the transfer of church assets to a for-profit company, Security Patrol Inc., a $1 million loan from Gloria Copeland to the group, and a "personal gift" of more than $2 million given to Kenneth Copeland to mark the ministry's 40th anniversary.

A Copeland spokeswoman released a statement saying the ministry is working on a response to Grassley's letter, follows all laws and best practices governing churches and religious nonprofit groups, and "will continue to do so."

-Creflo and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International and Creflo Dollar Ministries of College Park, Ga. Grassley's letter asks for records on private planes, board makeup, compensation and donations and "love offerings" to visiting ministers. In a statement, Dollar called his ministry an "open book" and said he would co-operate. He also questioned whether the investigation could "affect the privacy of every community church in America."

-Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas, is asked about use of a private jet, a home in Dana Point, Calif. and "layover trips" while travelling on ministry business. Hinn did not respond to requests for comment.

-Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and Bishop Eddie Long Ministries of Lithonia, Ga., was questioned about his salary, a $1.4 million real estate transaction and whether he, and not the board, holds sole authority over the organization. Long plans to fully comply with the Senate's request, and his church has "several safeguards" to ensure transactions comply with laws governing churches, according to a statement from Long's spokesman.

-Joyce and David Meyer of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo., who were quizzed about receiving donations of money and jewelry and the handling of cash from overseas crusades. They also were asked about expenditures at ministry headquarters, including a $30,000 conference table and a $23,000 "commode with marble top."

The ministry's lawyer released a statement describing the ministry's work and public release of several years' worth of audits. He also said the IRS found in October that the group continues to qualify for tax-exempt status.

-Randy and Paula White of the multiracial Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries of Tampa, Fla. are asked about home purchases in San Antonio, Texas, Malibu, Calif., and New York, credit card charges for clothing and cosmetic surgery and the reported purchase of a Bentley convertible as a gift for Bishop T.D. Jakes, a prominent Texas preacher and televangelist. An e-mail to a spokeswoman for Jakes was not immediately returned.

In a statement, Randy and Paula White declined to comment on specifics, saying they needed time to review the letter with their lawyers. But the Whites called the Grassley letter "unusual, since the IRS has separate powers to investigate religious organizations if they think it's necessary."

Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Creflo Dollar all sit on the board of regents for Oral Roberts University, which is mired in a financial scandal of its own.

The Senate Finance Committee has chided secular nonprofits for governance and compensation problems in the past, but this level of scrutiny for what are basically "non-pulpit churches" is unprecedented, said Ken Behr, president of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability.

Because the groups have tax status as churches, they are not required to file tax forms open to public inspection.

I have a feeling there will be some juicy discoveries during that investigation. Love offerings, WTF?:D
 

CrackRabbit

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The faces and names may of changed but the crookedness of the TV preachers never does.
I bet when they are caught red handed they will come on TV all teary eyed begging forgiveness for their sins.
I find it funny that a religion that's core message is love one another and share is so easily twisted by greed and hate.
 

Wuffsunie

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Eh, nothing will come of this. Powerful friends will see that it quietly goes away I predict.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

I find it funny that a religion that's core message is love one another and share is so easily twisted by greed and hate.

That's humanity for you.
 

KK

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I don't believe any church should get any tax benefits. And that Benny Hinn fellow is a fvckin loon. Somebody put a bullet in his ass, see if he can heal his own ass.
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: KK
I don't believe any church should get any tax benefits. And that Benny Hinn fellow is a fvckin loon. Somebody put a bullet in his ass, see if he can heal his own ass.

Agreed. Not about Benny Hinn getting a bullet up his ass. But the first part.

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
Can't wait to see what comes of all of this.

So you're saying you're shit mongerer?
 

Crono

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I've seen every single one of them on television a couple of times, and they are all false teachers and phony Christians. Most of those TBN people are (with the exception of Charles Stanley and maybe one or two others) are deceiving people. So it doesn't surprise me at all that these people and their "churches" are ripping people off and using the money for their own gain. I hope justice is truly served in this matter, and that every single one of them guilty of a crime face the maximum punishment under the law.
 

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Originally posted by: Crono
I've seen every single one of them on television a couple of times, and they are all false teachers and phony Christians. Most of those TBN people are (with the exception of Charles Stanley and maybe one or two others) are deceiving people. So it doesn't surprise me at all that these people and their "churches" are ripping people off and using the money for their own gain. I hope justice is truly served in this matter, and that every single one of them guilty of a crime face the maximum punishment under the law.

What possibly bothers me even more is the people that are under him. I mean why are people so gullible as to be giving all of this stuff? It seems as if they don't even know what their faith teaches, they just want some quick results.
 

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Crono
I've seen every single one of them on television a couple of times, and they are all false teachers and phony Christians. Most of those TBN people are (with the exception of Charles Stanley and maybe one or two others) are deceiving people. So it doesn't surprise me at all that these people and their "churches" are ripping people off and using the money for their own gain. I hope justice is truly served in this matter, and that every single one of them guilty of a crime face the maximum punishment under the law.

What possibly bothers me even more is the people that are under him. I mean why are people so gullible as to be giving all of this stuff? It seems as if they don't even know what their faith teaches, they just want some quick results.

there are alot of dumb people out there
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Crono
I've seen every single one of them on television a couple of times, and they are all false teachers and phony Christians. Most of those TBN people are (with the exception of Charles Stanley and maybe one or two others) are deceiving people. So it doesn't surprise me at all that these people and their "churches" are ripping people off and using the money for their own gain. I hope justice is truly served in this matter, and that every single one of them guilty of a crime face the maximum punishment under the law.

What possibly bothers me even more is the people that are under him. I mean why are people so gullible as to be giving all of this stuff? It seems as if they don't even know what their faith teaches, they just want some quick results.

Same reason people supported Hitler. Hell, he still has a following- just search for any Youtube video that's Nazi related like Eva Braun's films.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: KK
I don't believe any church should get any tax benefits. And that Benny Hinn fellow is a fvckin loon. Somebody put a bullet in his ass, see if he can heal his own ass.

I'd agree, but only once they're past a certain size. There are lots of little, local churches that do a lot of good for the community that simply would not be able to maintain themselves if they had to pay the same taxes as anyone else. I'm for non-taxation of these little churches, and I'm atheist - I strongly believe in the rights of people to believe in whatever they want, no matter what I might personally think of it (as long as they share my openness to others' beliefs).

I just can't get behind these mega-churches though - and televangelists in particular irritate me. The exploitation they thrive on seems to vastly overshadow any good they might accomplish. The Joyce Meyers one - she's in the city I live in - one of it's burbs, anyway. She's got a HUGE gated campus, a jet worth a couple million, etc. It's excess - it's greed personified.

 

Crono

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Crono
I've seen every single one of them on television a couple of times, and they are all false teachers and phony Christians. Most of those TBN people are (with the exception of Charles Stanley and maybe one or two others) are deceiving people. So it doesn't surprise me at all that these people and their "churches" are ripping people off and using the money for their own gain. I hope justice is truly served in this matter, and that every single one of them guilty of a crime face the maximum punishment under the law.

What possibly bothers me even more is the people that are under him. I mean why are people so gullible as to be giving all of this stuff? It seems as if they don't even know what their faith teaches, they just want some quick results.

By "him", you mean Benny Hinn, right? That guy is the easiest to spot as a fraud (the others are more subtle to varying degrees) but so many people watch him and support him. It really disgusts and saddens me when people take advantage of other people like that. There needs to be a greater amount of discernment in the churches today, and the only way that will happen is if people actually read the Bible to see what it says rather than just believing anyone who says "Praise Jesus! Hallelujah!".

You know what's even scarier? How many people follow Joel Osteen. That guy uses scripture maybe a couple of times (sometimes just once, and often making up his own quotes of scripture), maximum each speech, an the rest is all feel good nonsense that he made up, or some silly little joke he thinks the audience would like. And the sad thing is he himself admits he doesn't know anything. Just take a look at his interviews on Larry King (they are on YouTube). Anytime he's asked a question on anything, he says "I don't know Larry". That's not humility - that's ignorance. He doesn't even know the most basic tenets of the Christian faith. And yet he sells millions of copies of his books, millions watch him, and thousands attend his "church". It's scary that people can be misled by a charming (though it makes me sick to the stomach) smile, comforting voice, and "everything is right as rain" lies.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Televangelism is the art of telling people exactly what they want to hear and then getting them to give you money for it. I never really understood it since either your religion says you need to go to church to worship, at which point it's not acting as a replacement, or you can worship anywhere without a priest, which makes it a replacement for nothing at all.

There are plenty of churches that do a lot of good for the communities that they're in. But it seems like once they get to "organization" status, things go amiss. People start getting good at getting lots of money, and not so good at spreading it out.

Yes, Roman Catholic Church, you know what I mean. You were the primary offender in middle ages.

As far as churches having tax exempt status, I agree with the organization itself being tax exempt as it pertains to the freedom of speech and money going towards the communities, but the people in the churches shouldn't be tax exempt. You can pay for the upkeep, you can pay for the soup kitchen, you can pay for the construction. But as soon as you pay yourself, you should be taxed.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: Crono

By "him", you mean Benny Hinn, right? That guy is the easiest to spot as a fraud (the others are more subtle to varying degrees) but so many people watch him and support him. It really disgusts and saddens me when people take advantage of other people like that. There needs to be a greater amount of discernment in the churches today, and the only way that will happen is if people actually read the Bible to see what it says rather than just believing anyone who says "Praise Jesus! Hallelujah!".

Benny Hinn in action :D
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: KK
I don't believe any church should get any tax benefits. And that Benny Hinn fellow is a fvckin loon. Somebody put a bullet in his ass, see if he can heal his own ass.

I'd agree, but only once they're past a certain size. There are lots of little, local churches that do a lot of good for the community that simply would not be able to maintain themselves if they had to pay the same taxes as anyone else. I'm for non-taxation of these little churches, and I'm atheist - I strongly believe in the rights of people to believe in whatever they want, no matter what I might personally think of it (as long as they share my openness to others' beliefs).

I just can't get behind these mega-churches though - and televangelists in particular irritate me. The exploitation they thrive on seems to vastly overshadow any good they might accomplish. The Joyce Meyers one - she's in the city I live in - one of it's burbs, anyway. She's got a HUGE gated campus, a jet worth a couple million, etc. It's excess - it's greed personified.

Well if you taxed them all then the GOOD small churchs would still pay no tax as after they pay their people and get tax breaks for the good stuff they would owe nothing. Now the large ones that spend 30k on a table, buy cars, etc... they would have to report that and it would be open to the public. Right now its all hidden.


I think there is only 1 church that says it will nto give any more info. It was the Atlanta one if I remember correct.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Well if you taxed them all then the GOOD small churchs would still pay no tax as after they pay their people and get tax breaks for the good stuff they would owe nothing. Now the large ones that spend 30k on a table, buy cars, etc... they would have to report that and it would be open to the public. Right now its all hidden.


I think there is only 1 church that says it will nto give any more info. It was the Atlanta one if I remember correct.

And Scientology. They don't give out any more info than they have to as part of their doctrine.
 

JulesMaximus

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:thumbsup: Good! I hope they lock every one of those lying cheating thieves up for a long long time.

Oh, and who are these suckers who are giving these evil bastards money in the first place? :|