U.S. pumping out the CO2

[Moonbeam]

I forgot that etech and Corn are a couple of narrow minded legalistic jokers who can;t see the forrest for the trees. We were given an example of American foreign aid doing some good in he world and I pointed out that traditionally it's conservatives who have opposed it. It is a liberal idea and ideal. A couple of republicans here and there anve signed on an I'm a liar. You are liars because you can't stay in context and deal with the intention of my point. What are you, desparate. Did you get spankings for lying? If liberals are bigger opponents of foreign aid than conservatives then I would be mistakened. I don't think I am. Sorry, my sophistical buddies, you're tilting a windmills as usual.

 

[exp]

Of course were Americans though and only do it for selfish reasons. So we MUST be getting somethign out of it right?!?!?

Hence the reason why this country cannot allow world opinion to direct its actions. Even if the U.S. was to do something for purely unselfish reasons, that action could--and would--always be explained away in some fashion by those who hate us.

Let's face it, you can never convince others of your good intentions if they are determined to think otherwise. There will always be an excuse for them close at hand.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I forgot that etech and Corn are a couple of narrow minded legalistic jokers who can;t see the forrest for the trees. We were given an example of American foreign aid doing some good in he world and I pointed out that traditionally it's conservatives who have opposed it. It is a liberal idea and ideal. A couple of republicans here and there anve signed on an I'm a liar. You are liars because you can't stay in context and deal with the intention of my point. What are you, desparate. Did you get spankings for lying? If liberals are bigger opponents of foreign aid than conservatives then I would be mistakened. I don't think I am. Sorry, my sophistical buddies, you're tilting a windmills as usual.

Nope, just pointing out your dishonesty.

And to think if the Republicans had there way we wouldn't have any foreign aid.

Last time I looked we have a Republican President and congress. We still have foreign aid. You just want to twist and turn and lie that the Republicans could never do anything for anyone else.

Narrow minded spin there moonie, well actually it's another of your lies but it's getting rather tiresome pointing all of them out.

 

[Moonbeam]

CATO Institute: 'Foreign aid' search
Analysis from a conservative 'think tank' which is opposed to aid; see also an article by Cato fellow Doug Bandow, HELP OR HINDRANCE: Can Foreign Aid Prevent International Crises?, which summarizes many criticisms of aid programs.
Competitive Enterprise Institute: Foreign Aid
Analysis from a conservative 'think tank' which is opposed to aid
Heritage Foundation: Trade and Foreign Aid
Analysis from a conservative 'think tank' which is opposed to aid.
Third World Development: Foreign Aid or Free Trade
A libertarian critique of development assistance: "Foreign aid fails as a development policy because it destroys the incentives of the marketplace and extends the power of ruling elites."

Still can't see, eh, etech. We were talking historical opposition here, back when money for projects like your example were funded, not when Bush suddenly found he needed a persentage of minority voters to win in 2004.
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exp:
Let's face it, you can never convince others of your good intentions if they are determined to think otherwise. There will always be an excuse for them close at hand.
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hehe, I have only to look at Corn and etech to know that. The important thing is to act with justice. You will know and so will your enemy deep down. When you act out of truth, it doesn't really matter what anybody thinks or says they do. You do what is right because it IS right, not because you get something for it, though you surely will. It's about having real faith.

 

[etech]

Moonie, do you mean to imply by that little list you dug up that all Republicans are against all foreign aid?

There's a reason I call you a dishonest poster. I have proof.

Your orginal quote once again, just for the evidence.

Moonbeam

"And to think if the Republicans had there way we wouldn't have any foreign aid. "

 

[Moonbeam]

If it weren't for Democrats, etech, there wouldn't be any abortion. Get it?
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etech: There's a reason I call you a dishonest poster. I have proof.
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Oh boy, looks like you're lying. Goodness, what shall we do. I guess everything you say is a big pile of dodo.

 

[AvesPKS]

Eh, I'd rather see my money go toward this than toward some stupid art grant, or something.

 

[RU482]

Note to self: don't move family to lakeshore of flooded volcano

 

[Corn]

Moonie, do you mean to imply by that little list you dug up that all Republicans are against all foreign aid?

In actually reading some of those articles regarding foreign aid at Cato.org, one thing becomes clear: The main points of contention aren't the benevolent nature of foreign aid, but its usage as corporate welfare and other assorted "waste".

I wouldn't disagree with those arguments.

That doesn't mean, however, that I'm "historically" opposed to foreign aid. Of course in Moonie's world of black and white, this truth is shielded from his understanding--or once again, he's just dishonest

Historically, Republicans donate more to charities than do Democrats. Draw whatever conclusions you wish from that.

 

[Moonbeam]

Corn:
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In actually reading some of those articles regarding foreign aid at Cato.org, one thing becomes clear: The main points of contention aren't the benevolent nature of foreign aid, but its usage as corporate welfare and other assorted "waste".

I wouldn't disagree with those arguments.

That doesn't mean, however, that I'm "historically" opposed to foreign aid. Of course in Moonie's world of black and white, this truth is shielded from his understanding--or once again, he's just dishonest

Historically, Republicans donate more to charities than do Democrats. Draw whatever conclusions you wish from that.
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What conclusion do I draw?:

That , as I said, Republicans have traditionally been the ones who have opposed foreign aid and are here in this thread presenting the achievements of foreign aid proudly as something America can be proud of. Just pointing out the odd touch of hypocracy. Hope you didn't think I meant to imply that Republicans are cold heartless monsters especially in their own eyes. The nature of their disagreement with foreign aid is of total irrelevance to the point I made. I'm proud of what we are doing publically and privately. We have a great deal to offer the world. Governments can often better mount the infrastructure and resources to tackle large and intransigent problems and benefit from the prestege that results.

 

[drewshin]

what is this thread trying to say anyway? are we supposed to be falling over with joy that the u.s. donated a measly $400,000, that somehow this counterbalances all the other things the u.s. does in other countries?

The United States and Cameroon's commercial relationship is solid and growing rapidly. U.S. imports from Cameroon doubled from $77 million in 1999 to $155 million in 2000. At the same time United States exports increased from $37 million in 1999 to $59 million in 2000. The stock of U.S. Investment in Cameroon rose from $180 million in 1999 to more than $240 million in 2000. In addition the $3.5 billion Chad-Cameroon pipeline presently under construction will, when completed, represent the largest U.S. single investment in sub-Saharan Africa.

OH is that an oil pipeline i see???

nigeria is right next to cameroon and is one of our top ten suppliers of oil. looks like just some goodwill to get some tasty oil deals. i'd wager that all u.s. relations in africa are based on trade, they could care less who is in power or what they're doing.

some people will just swallow up anything.

 

[Corn]

That , as I said, Republicans have traditionally been the ones who have opposed foreign aid and are here in this thread presenting the achievements of foreign aid proudly as something America can be proud of. Just pointing out the odd touch of hypocracy.

Um, no Moonie. This thread was simply a display of irony, a concept evidently foreign to you. The fact that you missed the point and decided to use this thread as another vehicle to slander the Republican party with a dishonest argument is not lost on the rest of us. The fact that a specific example was used to illustrate the folly of your supposition does not = pride, nor hypocrisy.

Moonie, posting articles from individuals who may or may not be Republicans != "historical opposition to foreign aid" by the Republican party.

Hope you didn't think I meant to imply that Republicans are cold heartless monsters especially in their own eyes.

The lies never end, do they?

 

[Corn]

what is this thread trying to say anyway?

Drewshin, humor me for a moment please. Would you say that your sensibilities lean more in the direction of the Democrats or Republicans?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I forgot that etech and Corn are a couple of narrow minded legalistic jokers who can;t see the forrest for the trees. We were given an example of American foreign aid doing some good in he world and I pointed out that traditionally it's conservatives who have opposed it. It is a liberal idea and ideal. A couple of republicans here and there anve signed on an I'm a liar. You are liars because you can't stay in context and deal with the intention of my point. What are you, desparate. Did you get spankings for lying? If liberals are bigger opponents of foreign aid than conservatives then I would be mistakened. I don't think I am. Sorry, my sophistical buddies, you're tilting a windmills as usual.

I think you should lay off the...









metaphors!


Edit: And quote too...

 

[Moonbeam]

Corn:

Um, no Moonie. This thread was simply a display of irony, a concept evidently foreign to you. (Not at all. My reply was just a further example of irony.) The fact that you missed the point and decided to use this thread as another vehicle to slander the Republican party with a dishonest argument is not lost on the rest of us. (The argument was honest as I have fully demonstrated. You just don't want to agree. I didn't miss the point, you did. You have confused slander with fact.) The fact that a specific example was used to illustrate the folly of your supposition does not = pride, nor hypocrisy.(I'll be the judge of that. Thanks.)

Moonie, posting articles from individuals who may or may not be Republicans != "historical opposition to foreign aid" by the Republican party.


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The lies never end, do they?
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(I don't think you are actually lying, Corn, just distorting reality so you can manufacture a case against me out of thin air. I think any open mind would be able to see that etech was taking a dig (Slandering even? Oh no) at the liberal environmental movement by showing a situation where the release of CO2 into the atmosphere is a good thing. I don't think anybody would deny that and the context was within a US foreign aid program that the same people who have poopooed environmentalism have done the same to foreign aid. In short my irony was better than the original. Sorry you were offended. Facts are often unpleasant. You need to address them, however, rather than attack the messenger.)