And where do you go to get your gas? Exxon, Mobile, Chevron, Texaco. And which corporation does completion for those wells? Halliburton. I use their product every single day of my life. Their product is critical for me to get to my job, go to the grocery store, go out on dates, etc. The fact is, we all use their product on a daily basis. It is a critical factor for our Western civilization standard-of-living which I will not give up.
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I'll give you one thing...at least your consistant. Just curious, does the government get paid anything for the oil that is pumped out of Alaska? Who owns the oil? I would hope that it's not just GIVEN to select companies (or any company for that matter) for pure 100% profit.
2nd - Where does the bulk of Alaskian oil go? Is the pipeline saturated? I've read/heard that most goes to Japan. If that's true, all it does is a: Profit the corporations that pump it or b: Profit the corporations that pump it AND gives money to the US Government (for the oil).
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I don't know what the government receives, though it surely gets paid for the land leases. However, I do know that Alaskan citizens receive a rather healthy dividend from oil every single year.
1. the goverment of alaska receives royalties on the oil there. Royalty checks are dispersed the population of alaska every year.
2. There is pipeline from alaska, so some it makes it down to the lower 48. Some of it is sold outside the country. Not sure what percent goes where however.
I would not make assumptions on the how full the pipeline is.
Most of alaska is owned by the alaska goverment.
...Testing the waters...
Well, I'm a Traditional Conservative which means I'm more right than the Neo-Cons, but I don't support destroying the Arctic for a petty couple billion gallons of oil (and destroying is right, since road ruts in the arctic alone can last for hundreds of years, decay and erosion is slowed to a crawl there. So an oil spill or a species disturbance can have devastating effects. Facts known long before there were modern environmentalists) -- it does nothing to stem the oil glut and our dependence on foreign oil.
We need an independent fuel source that can be produced within our borders and controled by no one else. It's the only way OPEC and any other foreign interest can control us. 1973 wasn't a funny time in US history, ya know?
Just so you know, they travel on a thing called ice roads and they can only do that part of the year. Drilling techonolgy is much cleaner than it was 30 years ago and requires a much smaller footprint. Very little lives in ANWR(think frozen desert).
I agree, we could do far more to become energy dependant.
I know plenty about the arctic being a researcher on certain historical topics. Soil compression would occur anytime of the year, and in the arctic it really can lead to a 3 foot quadmire of the worst kind. And the 3ft ruts can literally last hundreds of years. We're talking about an environment where a tree on the border of the tree line takes over hundred years to grow an inch. Unlike the coastal waters, an oil spill on land on top of permafrost is a nasty affair to clean up. How will they dig through cement hard permafrost when it's -50F? Those in the hamlets in the arctic make estimates on death rates and pre-dig graves in advance of the first snow. How will man trudge up to the range and suck up thousands of gallons of slushed oil? They won't be able too, which means it sits there until the first thaw, which can be months away. Meanwhile all the wildlife in the area could've been affected.
Drilling in ANWAR isn't the way to curb our dependence on foreign oil. It's not even a bandage. US consumes so much oil that we're the largest user and waste more than any country. If we actually mean what we say (deeds not just words) ANWAR wouldn't even be a topic.
Drilling in ANWAR isn't the way to curb our dependence on foreign oil. It's not even a bandage. US consumes so much oil that we're the largest user and waste more than any country. If we actually mean what we say (deeds not just words) ANWAR wouldn't even be a topic.
Next time why dont you study some geology and how oil fields are currently developed in alaska now. You seem pretty clueless on the subject.
About as clueless of you of arctic habitat. 
I spent 20 years as an researcher on anthropology of the area, Charrison. Believe you need to hit the books for a few years yourself.
Oh, while you're at being a rock head (pun intended), tell us about the aquifiers among the tundra. While you're scratching your butt doing a 5 star Homer impression, I wonder if you can cite any reference to surface water seepage, and it's extent.
We can start here, and then move up to organics (my speciality is forensic anthropology).
10,000 posts mean nothing, Charrison when you encounter someone who knows this subject well.
I spent 20 years as an researcher on anthropology of the area, Charrison. Believe you need to hit the books for a few years yourself.
Oh, while you're at being a rock head (pun intended), tell us about the aquifiers among the tundra. While you're scratching your butt doing a 5 star Homer impression, I wonder if you can cite any reference to surface water seepage, and it's extent.
We can start here, and then move up to organics (my speciality is forensic anthropology).
10,000 posts mean nothing, Charrison when you encounter someone who knows this subject well.
Originally posted by: Terumo
About as clueless of you of arctic habitat.
I spent 20 years as an researcher on anthropology of the area, Charrison. Believe you need to hit the books for a few years yourself.
Oh, while you're at being a rock head (pun intended), tell us about the aquifiers among the tundra. While you're scratching your butt doing a 5 star Homer impression, I wonder if you can cite any reference to surface water seepage, and it's extent.
We can start here, and then move up to organics (my speciality is forensic anthropology).
10,000 posts mean nothing, Charrison when you encounter someone who knows this subject well.
Well you seem clueless as the how oil is currently being extracted there now.
All it takes is one significant oil spill. Good luck with that. I just hope I don't have to come back here and tell you "I told you so."
And with that being the standard, I am guessing you dont want any oil developement dont anywhere?
Apparently you don't "get it."
Arctic habitat isn't like your backyard (unless you live around, say Beechey Point). A single accident in that environment can last for CENTURIES. The environment doesn't recover in a timeframe like in your temperate zone backyard. Remember the analogy of the tree (more of a shrub than a tree) takes about 100 years to grow one inch?? An oil spill or the ruts that heavy trucks will bring (tundra roads are all gravel due to permafrost melts, which will buckle tar and concrete), will last for centuries. Any vegetation destroyed will take decades to centuries to regrow.
BTW, do you think humans are going to monitor remote wells in a whiteout? And how are folks from temperate zones going to handle 4 months of no sunlight? Even the Inuit go insane during those months, and that's their home. You're going to tell us that the mess at Prudhoe Bay won't be repeated? Like how many women (especially airline stewardess) who are abused and even attacked by oil riggers?
You have no clue about the arctic life, let alone the history of drilling and living in the most godforsaken barrenlands on Earth. People go mad up there. Hypotherma makes mistakes that much more prone. And destroying the environment with one spill isn't worth the drilling -- at least with our current technology.
Do yourself a favor and read some history on Prudhoe Bay. You'll learn why the "rah rah" speeches are but hot air to the sad history of arctic drilling.
And it'll be more informational than reading books on oil exploration/refining.
Arctic habitat isn't like your backyard (unless you live around, say Beechey Point). A single accident in that environment can last for CENTURIES. The environment doesn't recover in a timeframe like in your temperate zone backyard. Remember the analogy of the tree (more of a shrub than a tree) takes about 100 years to grow one inch?? An oil spill or the ruts that heavy trucks will bring (tundra roads are all gravel due to permafrost melts, which will buckle tar and concrete), will last for centuries. Any vegetation destroyed will take decades to centuries to regrow.
BTW, do you think humans are going to monitor remote wells in a whiteout? And how are folks from temperate zones going to handle 4 months of no sunlight? Even the Inuit go insane during those months, and that's their home. You're going to tell us that the mess at Prudhoe Bay won't be repeated? Like how many women (especially airline stewardess) who are abused and even attacked by oil riggers?
You have no clue about the arctic life, let alone the history of drilling and living in the most godforsaken barrenlands on Earth. People go mad up there. Hypotherma makes mistakes that much more prone. And destroying the environment with one spill isn't worth the drilling -- at least with our current technology.
Do yourself a favor and read some history on Prudhoe Bay. You'll learn why the "rah rah" speeches are but hot air to the sad history of arctic drilling.
And it'll be more informational than reading books on oil exploration/refining.
\You still dont get it do you? Oil fields are being developed there now, without destroying the artic wilderness. I dont claim to be accident or error free, but it is greatly improved since we started development there.
http://resourcescommittee.hous...6incentives_access.htm
And wildlife are not affected, new oilfield technology has an incredibly small footprint. ANWR is a complete frozen tundra for half the year anyways.
And wildlife are not affected, new oilfield technology has an incredibly small footprint. ANWR is a complete frozen tundra for half the year anyways.
A Department of the Interior report. So everything is now peachy. NOT!
Here buy it, download it and read to understand the real impact (not some press release)....
http://www.knowledgereports.co...in/hazel-cgi/hazel.cgi
<Dang, and I'm a conservationist and I don't even believe man should be there>
Here buy it, download it and read to understand the real impact (not some press release)....
http://www.knowledgereports.co...in/hazel-cgi/hazel.cgi
<Dang, and I'm a conservationist and I don't even believe man should be there>
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