This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum (which is saying a lot). I can't even begin to tell you how disgusting this line of thinking is to me, on so many levels.
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum (which is saying a lot). I can't even begin to tell you how disgusting this line of thinking is to me, on so many levels.
The total number of deaths isn't what's relevent, or the point of this thread. The point is that the number for this month has gone up by a large percentage to this point.
sandorski
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I don't even have the words to say for this.
wow. I admit to not doin much more than skimming his posts anymore, mainly due to stupid comments like you quoted. Tired of pointing out the obvious lack of logic of these types.
ProfJohn
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Actually the point of this thread is to bitch about the war and Bush. It serves no other purpose.
If I am wrong then please tell me what we hope to achieve by posting a thread about the number of dead in this month?
Look, I don't want to see Americans die more than anyone else does. As I have said before my brother is in the navy, my dad spent 22 years in the navy, my roommate in Va and just about everyone I knew when living there is in the navy. I have a friend who has a son who is there right now. I don't want to see any of these people die.
However, I understand that withdrawing now in order to save the lives of a few people will end up costing us more lives in the long run. Whether you like the war or not, or if it was an "illegal war" as some like to say, that doesn't matter anymore. We are there now and have two choices, stay and fight until we win, or leave and lose. I would rather stay and win, or come up with a way to disengage that doesn't turn the country over to the terrorists. Hopefully, a plan like the one from George Baker will be put into place and we can see a way out of this that saves American lives both in Iraq and here at home by keeping the terrorists from taking control of Iraq.
Lemon law
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Lets see---3000 dead on 911---add 2700 US soldiers dead in Iraq--which had exactly zero to do with 911---where the hell is the trade off--still sounds like 5700 dead Americans to me.
But don't forget the 20,000 wounded---many of which will suffer life long severe disabilities.
Its even better for the Iraqi's---Saddam stands accused of killing some 128,000 Iraqi's in various human rights abuses. Now a recent study indicates something on the order of 655,000
Iraqi's have died violently because of this war---but the number could be as low as 400,000.
And for all our efforts---AL-Quida---which did not exist in Iraq pre-war have increased their numbers world wide from 20,000 or so to todays 50,000.
But we are well on our way---if we can just manage to kill everyone on earth---we can have world peace.
So just kill for peace---kill kill and kill somemore---get them before they get you---kill kill kill---lets use poison gas---or nukes---or how about the bubonic plague?---anthrax works especially well in places like Iraq.----see that little Iraqi child over there---only a few days old---but equally responsible---nits breed lice---kill em all.
It will sure make the 3000 that died on 911 feel better---they are beconing us from the grave---kill for us---kill for us---Come join us.
But don't forget the 20,000 wounded---many of which will suffer life long severe disabilities.
Its even better for the Iraqi's---Saddam stands accused of killing some 128,000 Iraqi's in various human rights abuses. Now a recent study indicates something on the order of 655,000
Iraqi's have died violently because of this war---but the number could be as low as 400,000.
And for all our efforts---AL-Quida---which did not exist in Iraq pre-war have increased their numbers world wide from 20,000 or so to todays 50,000.
But we are well on our way---if we can just manage to kill everyone on earth---we can have world peace.
So just kill for peace---kill kill and kill somemore---get them before they get you---kill kill kill---lets use poison gas---or nukes---or how about the bubonic plague?---anthrax works especially well in places like Iraq.----see that little Iraqi child over there---only a few days old---but equally responsible---nits breed lice---kill em all.
It will sure make the 3000 that died on 911 feel better---they are beconing us from the grave---kill for us---kill for us---Come join us.
The first thing you need to do in order to solve a problem is recognize that there is one. The numbers seem to imply that things are getting worse than Iraq, yet the leadership in this country continues to assert that "staying the course" is the only option. Withdrawing immediately isn't the only other option in Iraq.
If we haven't thought of any better options than we aren't trying hard enough. We need to recognize the reality of the situation in Iraq and start to come up with solutions.
Don Vito Corleone
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trenchfoot
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prof, just a couple of questions popped into my head as i read your post:
win what? and, lose what?
as recent history has shown, the present administration is not averse toward using untrustworthy means to further their agenda, hidden or otherwise. so then, are we trying to win or lose what bush implies what we are there for, or maybe, are we there to win what he really wants from that chunk of sand but refuses to tell us?
his actions over the years of his tenure has led me to believe that he can't be given the trust that he demands from us, nor does he deserve any, not even an ounce. i get the same feeling listening to him as when i'm in a meeting that i got conned into being force-fed multi-level marketing scams.
i haven't kept precise track of all the things this administration have done for me to get suspicious, then get outright skeptical and finally to the point where i'm totally convinced that he deals a very shady hand at every turn, but i can say i'm alive and well today because i trusted my instincts about people, having honed it in the dog-eat-dog middle-management office wars for more years than i care to mention.
ProfJohn
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woohoo I am famous now
For the record I have been saying for weeks in various posts that I think post election we will take a look at our policy in Iraq and most likely change it to a degree.
Which exactly what the whole George Baker thing is about.
We certainly have to take steps to cut back on our loses, but we have to do it in a way that is smart and helps us win over terrorists in the long run.
The bring them all home now mantra that most of the Democratic party supports is not the way to do this.
Jeff7
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Ignoring the fact that Iraq wasn't the cause of 9-11. But that doesn't really matter, they're all from the Mideast, kill 'em all, right? :roll:
And BTW, the 3,000 and 3,000 are deaths of our people. Iraqi casualties, as mentioned in this thread, are considerably higher. Iraqi civilians, who just happened to be in the region, but not country, where the attackers came from. Yeah, they deserved it.
It was screwed up from the start. Occupation requires overwhelming forces. Rumsfeld didn't want that. Why? I don't know, maybe he just thinks he knows more than the guys, military generals, who have real-world combat experience.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
woohoo I am famous now
For the record I have been saying for weeks in various posts that I think post election we will take a look at our policy in Iraq and most likely change it to a degree.
Which exactly what the whole George Baker thing is about.
We certainly have to take steps to cut back on our loses, but we have to do it in a way that is smart and helps us win over terrorists in the long run.
The bring them all home now mantra that most of the Democratic party supports is not the way to do this.
You think defeating Iraq will defeat terrorism? You, sir, are retarded. Lets say we "defeat" Iraq. You dont think small groups are still going to be there, and grow and grow no matter what anyone does. This is mainly due to the fact that EVERYONE HAS RESENTMENT TOWARDS AMERICA FOR THE WAR. The longer we stay, the more people die, the more people hate us. Its just an endless cycle that wont stop, there is no winning in this war, we will come out of this war with 3000 of our men in body bags, hundreds of thousands of Iraq's children in the ground, and the middle east will focus all hatred towards america.
Mission Accomplished
blackangst1
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Originally posted by: brownzilla786
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
woohoo I am famous now
For the record I have been saying for weeks in various posts that I think post election we will take a look at our policy in Iraq and most likely change it to a degree.
Which exactly what the whole George Baker thing is about.
We certainly have to take steps to cut back on our loses, but we have to do it in a way that is smart and helps us win over terrorists in the long run.
The bring them all home now mantra that most of the Democratic party supports is not the way to do this.
You think defeating Iraq will defeat terrorism? You, sir, are retarded. Lets say we "defeat" Iraq. You dont think small groups are still going to be there, and grow and grow no matter what anyone does. This is mainly due to the fact that EVERYONE HAS RESENTMENT TOWARDS AMERICA FOR THE WAR. The longer we stay, the more people die, the more people hate us. Its just an endless cycle that wont stop, there is no winning in this war, we will come out of this war with 3000 of our men in body bags, hundreds of thousands of Iraq's children in the ground, and the middle east will focus all hatred towards america.
Mission Accomplished
You think pulling out will defeat terrorism? You, sir, are retarded.
And the middle east has hated America for decades. This isnt a new thing.
Schadenfroh
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sandorski
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: brownzilla786
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
woohoo I am famous now
For the record I have been saying for weeks in various posts that I think post election we will take a look at our policy in Iraq and most likely change it to a degree.
Which exactly what the whole George Baker thing is about.
We certainly have to take steps to cut back on our loses, but we have to do it in a way that is smart and helps us win over terrorists in the long run.
The bring them all home now mantra that most of the Democratic party supports is not the way to do this.
You think defeating Iraq will defeat terrorism? You, sir, are retarded. Lets say we "defeat" Iraq. You dont think small groups are still going to be there, and grow and grow no matter what anyone does. This is mainly due to the fact that EVERYONE HAS RESENTMENT TOWARDS AMERICA FOR THE WAR. The longer we stay, the more people die, the more people hate us. Its just an endless cycle that wont stop, there is no winning in this war, we will come out of this war with 3000 of our men in body bags, hundreds of thousands of Iraq's children in the ground, and the middle east will focus all hatred towards america.
Mission Accomplished
You think pulling out will defeat terrorism? You, sir, are retarded.
And the middle east has hated America for decades. This isnt a new thing.
Staying won't defeat it either.
That would be a blatant statement of the obvious.
Your idiocy brings a few more choice names to mind. You seem to forget that Saddam didn't attack us or threaten us in any way. This was Bushwhacko's ELECTIVE war, and EVERY excuse he gave for starting it was a LIE. And before you go off on that tired old saw of bad intelligence, the worst intelligence was between the Bushwhackos' ears. NOBODY even close to qualified to be in a position of that much power makes that many stupid bonehead MISTAKES. There has been plenty of testimony that Iraq was on their schedule even before they took office in 2000.
Too late. It already is for NOTHING.
The only good news in your post is that you are the stark minority opinion. Nothing you say is close to rational. At this point, I'm convinced you're either a paid neocon shill or you're campaigning to be declared the dumbest fsck on the planet. If it's the former, please STFU. If it's the latter, you're very close to achieving your goal.
And as of posting this, the October U.S. death toll is 70.
And ProfJohn -- In case you haven't noticed, we're running out of military manpower, hardware and funding. While you're at it, why don't you tell us how we're supposed to deal with legitimate threats to our national security with nothing to back it up but empty words from our empty headed President? :shocked:
Lemon law
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Sorry,
I see Iraq turning into a giant terrorist base as the least of our worries---with a Al-Quida presence in 65 counties already---what is one more or less?
I see the giant danger as Iraq going into a civil war that will take the whole mid-east with it---and along with that so will go the bulk of the world's oil supply for
an indeterminate period of time---but even a tempory disruption of oil supply can cause economic collaspe all over the world.
This will not be a Vietnamese war type conflict---where US withdrawal has no over all world wide effets.
Its easy to get in---but getting out will be not so easy.
I see Iraq turning into a giant terrorist base as the least of our worries---with a Al-Quida presence in 65 counties already---what is one more or less?
I see the giant danger as Iraq going into a civil war that will take the whole mid-east with it---and along with that so will go the bulk of the world's oil supply for
an indeterminate period of time---but even a tempory disruption of oil supply can cause economic collaspe all over the world.
This will not be a Vietnamese war type conflict---where US withdrawal has no over all world wide effets.
Its easy to get in---but getting out will be not so easy.
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