U.S. No Healthcare Thread II:8-21-05 Entrepreneurship continues to fall due to Health costs

dmcowen674

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Ah crap.

I can't find my U.S. No Healthcare thread.

Anyway here is more reports showing the decline of the U.S. into third world status because of the U.S. No Healthcare system.

Ironically the answer is Government intervention. Not like you think right away.
Not by starting Government provided Healthcare like Canada.
By cutting off all the Government flow of money into the private Medical coffers.

Yes, it will be painful. But no pain, no gain

8-21-2005 Health insurance costs dog would-be entrepreneurs

Kushner, recently laid off from a tech job, is such a reluctant entrepreneur that he's only committing to self-employment for six months while he continues job hunting. Why? It's going to cost him $1,145 a month for health insurance for himself, his wife and two kids.

"A big shock," he says after hunting for better deals.

As health costs soar, more would-be entrepreneurs are reluctant to quit Corporate America and its blue-chip benefits to start businesses, entrepreneurship experts say.

That raises alarms about the impact on innovation and job growth, when both are of growing importance to the U.S. economy.

These concerns come as self-employment rates continue a decades-long slump.

About 8.8% of non-farm, private-sector workers were self-employed last year. That was up slightly from 2002, when rates sank to a record low of 8.5%. Overall, however, rates have fallen in 30 of the last 50 years even as the workforce mushroomed, Labor Department data show.

That's worrisome because start-ups and other small firms have historically created most innovations and as much as 75% of new jobs.

In Cincinnati, for example, health costs have slowed Wendy Hunt and her husband, Brian Germ, from starting a dog day care business that would employ up to 10 workers.

That may not sound like much. But multiplied across thousands of start-ups, these new jobs would replace many lost when mature companies such as Eastman Kodak and Hewlett-Packard are slashing payrolls.

The reluctance of budding entrepreneurs comes as President Bush promotes entrepreneurship in his vision of an "ownership society," in which the nation would prosper as workers seek self-employment.

"The more people who own something in America means this country is better off," Bush told the Black Expo last month in Indianapolis. "I want more people from all walks of life, including African-Americans, to have a chance to own their own business."
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No surprise, more of the President and the Republicans saying one thing when clearly
what atmosphere they have created is the opposite.

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Wow, just wow

8-21-2005 Healthcare Is Migrating South of the Border

TIJUANA ? Thousands of Latinos who live near the border are taking advantage of a benefit increasingly offered by their U.S. employers: cheaper healthcare in Mexico.

About 160,000 California workers ? farm laborers as well as working-class Latinos employed at hotels, casinos, restaurants and local governments in San Diego and Imperial counties ? are getting their annual checkups and having surgeries through health networks south of the border, insurers say.

The arrangement is cheaper for both employers and employees. In Mexico, healthcare costs are about 40% to 50% lower than in California, freeing some employers to offer services that they couldn't otherwise afford.

The trend has generated some misgivings among doctors and consumer advocates north of the border.

Some worry about the quality of care in Mexico and limited regulatory control.

Others say the cross-border plans represent a sad commentary on the limited access that immigrants and the working poor have to treatment in California.

They represent a "positive turn of events for cross-border health coverage ? but are another reminder about how sick our health system is in the U.S.," said Dr. Robert K. Ross, president of the California Endowment, a healthcare philanthropy.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
What are these private Medical coffers receiving government flow of money?

A little older and you'll understand.

Hell, I'm older and I don't understand? Medicare? Medicaid? :p
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
What are these private Medical coffers receiving government flow of money?

A little older and you'll understand.

Hell, I'm older and I don't understand? Medicare? Medicaid? :p

OK, you have to be in the Medical Industry to see the money flow too.

I saw the money flow this week (out of my pocket) as my daughter became very sick and ended up in the ER for about 5 hours. My insurance from work is about $180 per month (which isn't bad), but the deductible per person is $1,000. Major ouch! :(

 

zendari

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

OK, you have to be in the Medical Industry to see the money flow too.

I didn't realize you were in the medical industry Dave. Perhaps I'll answer that question myself in a few years.

Now, how do we fix the elderly/hippie generations sense of entitlement for subsidized costly health insurance when they have their jaws firmly around both our politicians and the working public?
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
What are these private Medical coffers receiving government flow of money?

A little older and you'll understand.

Hell, I'm older and I don't understand? Medicare? Medicaid? :p

OK, you have to be in the Medical Industry to see the money flow too.

I saw the money flow this week (out of my pocket) as my daughter became very sick and ended up in the ER for about 5 hours. My insurance from work is about $180 per month (which isn't bad), but the deductible per person is $1,000. Major ouch! :(

Hell, insurance just for myself is more then $1000/month. The health care industry is OUT OF CONTROL!!!! It has been for quite some time.

I believe in another thread something was said about eliminating Medicare and Medicaid. That would be a damn good start for getting some change for the better in the health care industry. If the truth were known, none to few of the doctors or nurses or even the insurance companies would go for that because it would mean an end to their insurance scam.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

OK, you have to be in the Medical Industry to see the money flow too.

I didn't realize you were in the medical industry Dave. Perhaps I'll answer that question myself in a few years.

Now, how do we fix the elderly/hippie generations sense of entitlement for subsidized costly health insurance when they have their jaws firmly around both our politicians and the working public?

Yep, it's been pretty clear you know nothing about me other than what you want to believe. That's how we get President's like Bush.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
What are these private Medical coffers receiving government flow of money?

A little older and you'll understand.

Hell, I'm older and I don't understand? Medicare? Medicaid? :p

OK, you have to be in the Medical Industry to see the money flow too.

I saw the money flow this week (out of my pocket) as my daughter became very sick and ended up in the ER for about 5 hours. My insurance from work is about $180 per month (which isn't bad), but the deductible per person is $1,000. Major ouch! :(

Hell, insurance just for myself is more then $1000/month. The health care industry is OUT OF CONTROL!!!! It has been for quite some time.

I believe in another thread something was said about eliminating Medicare and Medicaid. That would be a damn good start for getting some change for the better in the health care industry.

If the truth were known, none to few of the doctors or nurses or even the insurance companies would go for that because it would mean an end to their insurance scam.

BFT :thumbsup:
 

dmcowen674

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More pain but this time even the rich are not immune:

8-21-2005 The Safety Net She Believed In Was Pulled Away When She Fell

Until a few years ago, Debra Potter made sure that her family could cruise the Caribbean, watch the NFL on big-screen TV and keep her elderly mother and in-laws at home in comfort.

She did so by earning $250,000 a year selling more insurance than almost anybody else in the state of Virginia, virtually all of it disability and health policies that she thought put a safety net under middle-class and affluent families such as her own.

Potter so believed in the protection she was providing that she made sure she was covered under a policy her employer, Southeastern financial services giant BB&T, had with UnumProvident Corp., the nation's largest disability insurer.

But when Potter began falling down in 2002 and was subsequently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, she discovered that the protection didn't work anything like she'd expected.

UnumProvident, whose policies the 50-year-old insurance agent had been selling, questioned whether Potter really was disabled and refused to pay her.

Although the firm, based in Chattanooga, Tenn., relented a few weeks ago, the reversal took three years and did not come before the Potters had run through most of their savings, yanked one of their five children from college for lack of tuition and hired a lawyer.

"People need safety nets, and that's what I thought I was selling them," Potter said. "But here I am with all my knowledge of insurance and I couldn't make it work for me."

"The safety nets designed to protect people from being run over by economic forces beyond their control have been shredded," said California Insurance Commissioner John Garamendi, a Democrat whose department is investigating UnumProvident.

"In the last 12 months alone, we've seen the largest insurance brokers in America, the largest property and casualty companies in America, the largest title insurance companies, the largest financial service firms and the largest disability insurers all engaged in flagrant violations of their most basic obligations to their customers," said Garamendi, the California insurance commissioner.

"This is not just a UnumProvident problem; it's an insurance industry one."

 

dmcowen674

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8-21-2005 Healthcare Is Migrating South of the Border

TIJUANA ? Thousands of Latinos who live near the border are taking advantage of a benefit increasingly offered by their U.S. employers: cheaper healthcare in Mexico.

About 160,000 California workers ? farm laborers as well as working-class Latinos employed at hotels, casinos, restaurants and local governments in San Diego and Imperial counties ? are getting their annual checkups and having surgeries through health networks south of the border, insurers say.

The arrangement is cheaper for both employers and employees. In Mexico, healthcare costs are about 40% to 50% lower than in California, freeing some employers to offer services that they couldn't otherwise afford.

The trend has generated some misgivings among doctors and consumer advocates north of the border.

Some worry about the quality of care in Mexico and limited regulatory control.

Others say the cross-border plans represent a sad commentary on the limited access that immigrants and the working poor have to treatment in California.

They represent a "positive turn of events for cross-border health coverage ? but are another reminder about how sick our health system is in the U.S.," said Dr. Robert K. Ross, president of the California Endowment, a healthcare philanthropy.
 

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Now, if we could just get the illegals to stay south of the border for their health care, we'd be doing better.
 

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Want to know where soaring health costs come from, look no further than the AMA. 100 years of medical robbery. Bottom line is, get the government and the AMA out of the healthcare industry and watch prices drop dramatically.

The outlook looks grim, however. Day after day I hear the authoritarians clamor for even more government intervention. I've said before, and I'll say it again: this is the era of masochism.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Want to know where soaring health costs come from, look no further than the AMA. 100 years of medical robbery. Bottom line is, get the government and the AMA out of the healthcare industry and watch prices drop dramatically.

The outlook looks grim, however. Day after day I hear the authoritarians clamor for even more government intervention. I've said before, and I'll say it again: this is the era of masochism.

:thumbsup: Good post

 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
8-21-2005 Healthcare Is Migrating South of the Border

TIJUANA ? Thousands of Latinos who live near the border are taking advantage of a benefit increasingly offered by their U.S. employers: cheaper healthcare in Mexico.

About 160,000 California workers ? farm laborers as well as working-class Latinos employed at hotels, casinos, restaurants and local governments in San Diego and Imperial counties ? are getting their annual checkups and having surgeries through health networks south of the border, insurers say.

The arrangement is cheaper for both employers and employees. In Mexico, healthcare costs are about 40% to 50% lower than in California, freeing some employers to offer services that they couldn't otherwise afford.

The trend has generated some misgivings among doctors and consumer advocates north of the border.

Some worry about the quality of care in Mexico and limited regulatory control.

Others say the cross-border plans represent a sad commentary on the limited access that immigrants and the working poor have to treatment in California.

They represent a "positive turn of events for cross-border health coverage ? but are another reminder about how sick our health system is in the U.S.," said Dr. Robert K. Ross, president of the California Endowment, a healthcare philanthropy.


Sorta goes against the grain that "high quality service jobs" (such as Doctors) are immune to offshoring, doesn't it?!
 

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
8-21-2005 Healthcare Is Migrating South of the Border

TIJUANA ? Thousands of Latinos who live near the border are taking advantage of a benefit increasingly offered by their U.S. employers: cheaper healthcare in Mexico.

About 160,000 California workers ? farm laborers as well as working-class Latinos employed at hotels, casinos, restaurants and local governments in San Diego and Imperial counties ? are getting their annual checkups and having surgeries through health networks south of the border, insurers say.

The arrangement is cheaper for both employers and employees. In Mexico, healthcare costs are about 40% to 50% lower than in California, freeing some employers to offer services that they couldn't otherwise afford.

The trend has generated some misgivings among doctors and consumer advocates north of the border.

Some worry about the quality of care in Mexico and limited regulatory control.

Others say the cross-border plans represent a sad commentary on the limited access that immigrants and the working poor have to treatment in California.

They represent a "positive turn of events for cross-border health coverage ? but are another reminder about how sick our health system is in the U.S.," said Dr. Robert K. Ross, president of the California Endowment, a healthcare philanthropy.


Sorta goes against the grain that "high quality service jobs" (such as Doctors) are immune to offshoring, doesn't it?!

<repub>But..but...but its going to Mexico. That's on the same shore... Its good for America... baaaa baaaaaa</repub>
 

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Part of the problem is this epidemic that politicians refuse to cure.
In fact, once in office they try to contract this disease. Shamefull.

THE CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL has issued a no-nonsense warning about a new, highly virulent strain of sexually transmitted disease. This disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior.

The disease is called Gonorrhea Lectim (pronounced "gonna re-elect him").

Many victims have contracted it after having been screwed for the past
4 years, in spite of having taken measures to protect themselves from this especially troublesome disease.

Cognitive sequellae of individuals infected with Gonorrhea Lectim include, but are not limited to, anti-social personality disorder traits; delusions of grandeur with a distinct messianic flavor; chronic mangling of the English language; extreme cognitive dissonance; inability to incorporate new information; pronounced xenophobia and homophobia; inability to accept responsibility for actions; exceptional cowardice masked by acts of misplaced bravado; uncontrolled facial smirking; total ignorance of geography and history; tendencies toward creating evangelical theocracies; and a strong propensity for categorical, all-or-nothing behavior.

The disease is sweeping Washington. Naturalists and epidemiologists are amazed and baffled that this malignant disease originated only a few years ago in a Texas bush.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
What are these private Medical coffers receiving government flow of money?

A little older and you'll understand.

Hell, I'm older and I don't understand? Medicare? Medicaid? :p

OK, you have to be in the Medical Industry to see the money flow too.

I saw the money flow this week (out of my pocket) as my daughter became very sick and ended up in the ER for about 5 hours. My insurance from work is about $180 per month (which isn't bad), but the deductible per person is $1,000. Major ouch! :(

Hell, insurance just for myself is more then $1000/month. The health care industry is OUT OF CONTROL!!!! It has been for quite some time.

I believe in another thread something was said about eliminating Medicare and Medicaid. That would be a damn good start for getting some change for the better in the health care industry. If the truth were known, none to few of the doctors or nurses or even the insurance companies would go for that because it would mean an end to their insurance scam.


How old are you and do you have any serious conditions? 1000 bucks a month sounds really high unless you have had serious issues in the past.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
8-21-2005 Healthcare Is Migrating South of the Border

TIJUANA ? Thousands of Latinos who live near the border are taking advantage of a benefit increasingly offered by their U.S. employers: cheaper healthcare in Mexico.

About 160,000 California workers ? farm laborers as well as working-class Latinos employed at hotels, casinos, restaurants and local governments in San Diego and Imperial counties ? are getting their annual checkups and having surgeries through health networks south of the border, insurers say.

The arrangement is cheaper for both employers and employees. In Mexico, healthcare costs are about 40% to 50% lower than in California, freeing some employers to offer services that they couldn't otherwise afford.

The trend has generated some misgivings among doctors and consumer advocates north of the border.

Some worry about the quality of care in Mexico and limited regulatory control.

Others say the cross-border plans represent a sad commentary on the limited access that immigrants and the working poor have to treatment in California.

They represent a "positive turn of events for cross-border health coverage ? but are another reminder about how sick our health system is in the U.S.," said Dr. Robert K. Ross, president of the California Endowment, a healthcare philanthropy.


Sorta goes against the grain that "high quality service jobs" (such as Doctors) are immune to offshoring, doesn't it?!

<repub>But..but...but its going to Mexico. That's on the same shore... Its good for America... baaaa baaaaaa</repub>

This is good to see.

The more "highly educated" and rich affected by all of this the better. :thumbsup: :laugh: