U.S. makes deal to let in Mexico’s trucks

[DucatiMonster696]

"Free" trade is what ships jobs overseas, are you reading the same thread that I am? Trucking MUST BE DONE IN THE US, and even then, companies are trying to get foreign workers to do it. Whose side do you think they're on? Yours? Americas?

I am not arguing that "Trucking must not be done in the US". What I am pointing out is that being hostile to businesses in the US is never a good idea if you want them to in turn to support your cause and to expand and grow in the US.

 

[Zebo]

US will be a third world country soon and all that goes with it. Unfathomable wealth next to poverty and destitution. With one big difference. Gonna be interesting with 400 million guns out there.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

US will be a third world country soon and all that goes with it. Unfathomable wealth next to poverty and destitution. With one big difference. Gonna be interesting with 400 million guns out there.

Well welcome to the whole entire global wealth redistribution and social justice drive at the expense of US citizens.

 

[dmcowen674]

So the first truck brought in an oil derrick.

Why can't we build our own derricks?

The metal fabrication industry has been shipped out of country.

They had to build the Oakland Bay Bridge in China because there is no longer any capability to build a bridge in the U.S.

It's very sad.

 

[guyver01]

there is no longer any capability to build a bridge in the U.S.

i think http://www.americanbridge.net/ would disagree with you

 

[Zebo]

What's next? Bringing in Chinese ships to Mexican ports and then using Mexican trucks to haul that shit to US cities. Elimination of California and other "US high dollar labor" ports. It's coming....just a matter of time.

Maybe. But I see all delivery trucks, UPS, autozone, etc, all in Mexican registry and all driven by $4 a day labor.

There is no rule on size. They will simply stay in company compounds (rest stops they will be called) and go back periodically as law requires then come right back. You circumvent high priced US labor. US labor laws. US licensing and insurance fees. Mucho profit.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by Engineer
What's next? Bringing in Chinese ships to Mexican ports and then using Mexican trucks to haul that shit to US cities. Elimination of California and other "US high dollar labor" ports. It's coming....just a matter of time.

Maybe. But I see all delivery trucks, UPS, autozone, etc, all in Mexican registry and all driven by $4 a day labor.

There is no rule on size. They will simply stay in company compounds (rest stops they will be called) and go back periodically as law requires then come right back. You circumvent high priced US labor. US labor laws. US licensing and insurance fees. Mucho profit.

Exactly

In fact they are already setting up the trains and rail yards for the extra freight.

This will kill both the American trucking Industry and the Ports and it is all by design.

 

[Engineer]

Maybe. But I see all delivery trucks, UPS, autozone, etc, all in Mexican registry and all driven by $4 a day labor.

There is no rule on size. They will simply stay in company compounds (rest stops they will be called) and go back periodically as law requires then come right back. You circumvent high priced US labor. US labor laws. US licensing and insurance fees. Mucho profit.

Maybe it will be called a "Foreign Trade Zone" as is places like Toyota and other "foreign" manufacturers that are already in the US are called. Would not surprise me one bit and maybe you're right as to "what's next".

 

[K1052]

The metal fabrication industry has been shipped out of country.

They had to build the Oakland Bay Bridge in China because there is no longer any capability to build a bridge in the U.S.

It's very sad.

Uh...no. All other bids were 3-4 hundred million more than the Chinese, who obviously enjoy enormous labor and environmental savings that no western country can match.

Though, they'll pay for it in a couple decades with skyrocketing health costs and labor unrest.

 

[Engineer]

Uh...no. All other bids were 3-4 hundred million more than the Chinese, who obviously enjoy enormous labor and environmental savings that no western country can match.

Though, they'll pay for it in a couple decades with skyrocketing health costs and labor unrest.

and we'll pay for it in skyrocketing deficits, welfare, unemployed and the number of those that fall below the taxation line.....

er...wait?!?!....

 

[K1052]

and we'll pay for it in skyrocketing deficits, welfare, unemployed and the number of those that fall below the taxation line.....

er...wait?!?!....

The eastern span replacement was paid for by California with no federal funding, thus avoiding any "buy American" requirements for the project. Arguably Caltrans has handled the project very poorly overall.

 

[Zebo]

Originally Posted by Engineer
What's next? Bringing in Chinese ships to Mexican ports and then using Mexican trucks to haul that shit to US cities. Elimination of California and other "US high dollar labor" ports. It's coming....just a matter of time.




Exactly

In fact they are already setting up the trains and rail yards for the extra freight.

This will kill both the American trucking Industry and the Ports and it is all by design.

They've wanted to bust up longshoreman since I was a kid. I remember Bob Dornan (he was a Californian congressman) talking about it with my dad at like 12 that these "assholes" were making 100K a year and contributing the dems etc etc. Anyway they found it. Deliver to Mexican ports. Ship everything across border.

 

[Engineer]

The eastern span replacement was paid for by California with no federal funding, thus avoiding any "buy American" requirements for the project. Arguably Caltrans has handled the project very poorly overall.

I remember this project pretty well. Pissed me off to no end.

That doesn't change the fact that the project could have employed thousands of "unemployed" Americans (or Californians if you wish) when unemployment/welfare/non federal tax paying citizens is very damn high (and in some categoreis, rising). I'm not so sure the extra "tax revenue" from the employments of these individuals would not have been MORE than the savings "achieved" by using the Chinese in this case.

 

[Zebo]

I remember this project pretty well. Pissed me off to no end.

That doesn't change the fact that the project could have employed thousands of "unemployed" Americans (or Californians if you wish) when unemployment/welfare/non federal tax paying citizens is very damn high (and in some categoreis, rising). I'm not so sure the extra "tax revenue" from the employments of these individuals would not have been MORE than the savings "achieved" by using the Chinese in this case.

Pay now or pay later but you always have to pay.

 

[Wreckem]

The Panamanian government already approved the project and bonded it out. Construction has started.

Sorry for the confusion. Looking back my post wasn't clear. My post we in reference to the proposed 3rd largest port in the world in Mexico. The panama canel has been in of expansion forever and will get done. New cargo ports in Mexico, isn't as likely as some in this thread believe.

 

[Engineer]

Sorry for the confusion. Looking back my post wasn't clear. My post we in reference to the proposed 3rd largest port in the world in Mexico. The panama canel has been in of expansion forever and will get done. New cargo ports in Mexico, isn't as likely as some in this thread believe.

Considering that 18 (Edited from 15) years ago, nobody would have believed that we would be Mexican trucks deliver our cargo, I don't see why this cannot happen.

 

[Wreckem]

Maybe. But I see all delivery trucks, UPS, autozone, etc, all in Mexican registry and all driven by $4 a day labor.

There is no rule on size. They will simply stay in company compounds (rest stops they will be called) and go back periodically as law requires then come right back. You circumvent high priced US labor. US labor laws. US licensing and insurance fees. Mucho profit.

Impossible. The law only allows the mexican truckers to make 1 stop to drop off and pick up, then it has to return to Mexico.

 

[Wreckem]

Considering that 15 years ago, nobody would have believed that we would be Mexican trucks deliver our cargo, I don't see why this cannot happen.

Whoever thought that was a moron. The US negotiated, signed and ratified this in 1993. Unless the US pulled out of NAFTA we had to do this sooner or later.

Ports don't grow over night. Not only that, like I said US west coast ports are already over the capacity the infastructure can handle, with zero expansions in site.

Mexico doesn't have the infastructure or the political stability to open a massive port at this time, let alone the number required to put any sizable dent in west coast tonnage.

 

[K1052]

I remember this project pretty well. Pissed me off to no end.

That doesn't change the fact that the project could have employed thousands of "unemployed" Americans (or Californians if you wish) when unemployment/welfare/non federal tax paying citizens is very damn high (and in some categoreis, rising). I'm not so sure the extra "tax revenue" from the employments of these individuals would not have been MORE than the savings "achieved" by using the Chinese in this case.

There is also an allegation that the Chinese underbid everyone else intentionally, and might even be taking a loss. But the Chinese government would never financially support a industry to do such things....

 

[Engineer]

Whoever thought that was a moron. The US negotiated, signed and ratified this in 1993. Unless the US pulled out of NAFTA we had to do this sooner or later.

OK, I might have my dates wrong but the point still stands...how about 18 years ago?

 

[Engineer]

There is also an allegation that the Chinese underbid everyone else intentionally, and might even be taking a loss. But the Chinese government would never financially support a industry to do such things....

Sarcasm?

 

[Engineer]

Mexico doesn't have the infastruce or the political stability to open a massive port at this time.

If American corporations can get much cheaper port access, who says that they won't fund new ports in Mexico?

 

[Wreckem]

There is a lot of risk compared to reward. Its why more US firms haven't moved to Mexico. The firms wouldn't even need to build a port if they truely wanted to they could all set up shop in Mexico. Currently, its 20-25% cheaper to produce in Mexico than China, when everything is taken into consideration. This is why a lot of asian corporations have production plants in Mexico.

Also, as someone pointed out, the Panama canel is getting an expansion. It would be cheaper to ship directly to Houston, Miami, or the North East, than it would be shipping to Mexico than having it driven all over the country.

In the end it all comes down to risk v. reward and even if Mexico did build a super port, that would barely cover the current excess tonnage.

 

[K1052]

Sarcasm?

lil bit

 

[Engineer]

Because who wants to ship goods through a place that is controlled by 5 competing cartels that have more military hardware than the mexican government?

The same dumbass people that are closing down our US factories and moving them to Mexico (although I do admit that this is slowing or maybe reversing at this point)?