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hans007

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the population density of california is pretty misleading.

i mean los angeles, or the sf bay area even more so is probably just as dense as parts of korea. but theres so much random empty space in california like the fresno area, or in between basically the bay area, and los angeles, and between oregon and the bay.

 

tcsenter

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As I said in the beginning, most of electronics that are made in Korea is, in fact, cheaper in U.S. Even cars that are made in Korea are a lot cheaper in U.S although they have to go through the hassle of shipping and import tax issued by U.S. Why do you think that is? I have already told you so.
Does the term chaebol mean anything to you? The reason is Asia's notorious record of dumping products in other markets at below their cost, propped-up by a combination of tax dollars, sordid nationalized holding schemes, loan guarantees, and other types of government assistance that are generally prohibited by US law, regulations, and tax code, or just plain offensive to most people in the West (including a good number of business people). And it so happens that LG, Samsung, and Hyundai are THE largest cheabols in SK. What a coincidence!

SK reformers are still unwinding this sordid 40 year-old labrynth of mutual government-cheabol cooperation formed for the goal not to compete with foreign companies, but to destroy foreign companies in their own markets. And SK has never been held accountable or compensated the countries they have deliberately harmed. They are still spinning it domestically with great success as SK products winning fair-and-square in foreign markets because their products were "superior".

Superior a monkey's ass. We were deluged for some 10+ years with cheap Asian garbage before products from Korea and other Asian countries began to meet any standard of quality, reliability, or even safety for that matter, while our domestic companies were forced down a slippery slope of cost-slashing and product cheapening just to compete with cut-throat foreign pricing (facilitated by illegal dumping practices, of course). The domestic fall-out from this has still not fully settled.

And, comparing organic products to matrial products in this case is just silly. I'm sure you know why if you think about it one more time. BTW, organic products that are from U.S to Korea is even cheaper than those of Korean's. Can you figure that out?
Yeah, supply and demand, whatever the actual impetus or driving influences. Why is Japanese rice more expensive in Japan than US rice? Because the Japanese don't like US rice. Japan buys large amounts of US rice for emergency stockpiles because it can't produce enough to meet national emergency stockpile quotas and its own domestic food needs. It then uses our rice in animal feed or other processed foods before it spoils. The Japanese are willing to (and do) pay three to four times as much for Japanese rice than for US or practically any other country's rice for that matter.

Or maybe Koreans like some of our products better than their own, so SK exports their products to other countries that do like them and are willing to pay more than SK consumers. Or maybe it is because South Korea doesn't have much productive farmland while we have some of the most productive farmland in the world. I don't know, but it is likely one of those reasons. You can't infer much from a price disparity between two countries in just a few extremely narrow areas, because influence on supply and demand for those product may be exerted by other trade relationships not being considered.

For example, in addition to increased fuel costs, the other significant contributor to rising consumer prices in the US is foreign demand for US exports. For the past 30+ years, US consumers have not had to compete to this degree with foreign demand for US products because our dollar has been stronger in the past. Now that our dollar is weaker relative to several foreign markets, US consumers are finding that a weaker dollar doesn't go as far with US producers who are seeing sharply higher demand from countries with a stronger currency and want to buy our stuff.

You seem to think majority of Koreans are working in the electronic manufacture sector but they're not. Electronic factories are mostly automated. It's not a labour intensive industry. The technology adoption rate is high because of other reasons rather than the reason you guessed.
I wasn't suggesting they were all working in factories, but acrossed the entire spectrum of jobs created by or related to South Korea's massive electronics industry. Samsung, LG, and Hyundai do more than just make stuff in factories. They have business operations, research and development, marketing and sales, distribution, so on and so forth.
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
As I said in the beginning, most of electronics that are made in Korea is, in fact, cheaper in U.S. Even cars that are made in Korea are a lot cheaper in U.S although they have to go through the hassle of shipping and import tax issued by U.S. Why do you think that is? I have already told you so.
Does the term chaebol mean anything to you? The reason is Asia's notorious record of dumping products in other markets at below their cost, propped-up by a combination of tax dollars, sordid nationalized holding schemes, loan guarantees, and other types of government assistance that are generally prohibited by US law, regulations, and tax code, or just plain offensive to most people in the West (including a good number of business people). And it so happens that LG, Samsung, and Hyundai are THE largest cheabols in SK. What a coincidence!

SK reformers are still unwinding this sordid 40 year-old labrynth of mutual government-cheabol cooperation formed for the goal not to compete with foreign companies, but to destroy foreign companies in their own markets. And SK has never been held accountable or compensated the countries they have deliberately harmed. They are still spinning it domestically with great success as SK products winning fair-and-square in foreign markets because their products were "superior".

Superior a monkey's ass. We were deluged for some 10+ years with cheap Asian garbage before products from Korea and other Asian countries began to meet any standard of quality, reliability, or even safety for that matter, while our domestic companies were forced down a slippery slope of cost-slashing and product cheapening just to compete with cut-throat foreign pricing (facilitated by illegal dumping practices, of course). The domestic fall-out from this has still not fully settled.

And, comparing organic products to matrial products in this case is just silly. I'm sure you know why if you think about it one more time. BTW, organic products that are from U.S to Korea is even cheaper than those of Korean's. Can you figure that out?
Yeah, supply and demand, whatever the actual impetus or driving influences. Why is Japanese rice more expensive in Japan than US rice? Because the Japanese don't like US rice. Japan buys large amounts of US rice for emergency stockpiles because it can't produce enough to meet national emergency stockpile quotas and its own domestic food needs. It then uses our rice in animal feed or other processed foods before it spoils. The Japanese are willing to (and do) pay three to four times as much for Japanese rice than for US or practically any other country's rice for that matter.

Or maybe Koreans like some of our products better than their own, so SK exports their products to other countries that do like them and are willing to pay more than SK consumers. Or maybe it is because South Korea doesn't have much productive farmland while we have some of the most productive farmland in the world. I don't know, but it is likely one of those reasons. You can't infer much from a price disparity between two countries in just a few extremely narrow areas, because influence on supply and demand for those product may be exerted by other trade relationships not being considered.

For example, in addition to increased fuel costs, the other significant contributor to rising consumer prices in the US is foreign demand for US exports. For the past 30+ years, US consumers have not had to compete to this degree with foreign demand for US products because our dollar has been stronger in the past. Now that our dollar is weaker relative to several foreign markets, US consumers are finding that a weaker dollar doesn't go as far with US producers who are seeing sharply higher demand from countries with a stronger currency and want to buy our stuff.

You seem to think majority of Koreans are working in the electronic manufacture sector but they're not. Electronic factories are mostly automated. It's not a labour intensive industry. The technology adoption rate is high because of other reasons rather than the reason you guessed.
I wasn't suggesting they were all working in factories, but acrossed the entire spectrum of jobs created by or related to South Korea's massive electronics industry. Samsung, LG, and Hyundai do more than just make stuff in factories. They have business operations, research and development, marketing and sales, distribution, so on and so forth.

What you wrote this time is far better than the last one. I agree with your insight on Chaebol issues. What's even worse is that Samsung has been trying to control not only the market but the social/political area of Korea as well. When the 'owner' of Samsung was busted for fruad, bribing, and many other injustices, I hoped for changes but nothing really happened. Having read your comment, I, now, got some ideas why you were upset with Korean products and I agree with some of the issues but I think you're going too far. Also, keep in mind that Koreans do feel the same way when it comes to agricultural/moive industry issues. Korea was forced to open up the agricultural/movie industry market in order to export electronis/automobiles to U.S. Just as you see the injustice being done by SK companies, Koreans see the injustice being done by U.S companies in different areas. Don't just blame SK companies thinking U.S loses more from it. The truth is that Korea, too, loses other markets to U.S. After all, it's an exchange. You win A by losing B. Oh and did you know FTA agreement between Korea and U.S is in progress. What you do not like and what I don't like will get worse if it passes.

I'm glad you said "You can't infer much from a price disparity between two countries in just a few extremely narrow areas, because influence on supply and demand for those product may be exerted by other trade relationships not being considered," because that's exactly what I wanted to say regarding to your last post.

"I wasn't suggesting they were all working in factories, but acrossed the entire spectrum of jobs created by or related to South Korea's massive electronics industry. Samsung, LG, and Hyundai do more than just make stuff in factories. They have business operations, research and development, marketing and sales, distribution, so on and so forth."
True but the numbers are still minimal for you to claim "... something like 20 times more of the labor force in these countries are employed in the electronics manufacturing sector probably has something to do with the higher rates of technology adoption there as well."

Anyway, back to the issue, I still don't fully understand why there aren't 3rd party manufactures in U.S that import pannels from Samsung/LG to produce quality monitors own their own. When I lived in U.S, I greatly enjoyed the market you guys have. Pretty much everything was cheap and there were many options I could choose from. I know majority of Americans don't care whether the monitors are made of TN, IPS, VA pannels as long as those are cheap but the number of people who do care is still a lot more than those of Koreans'.
I see there's a great market but nobody is jumping into it. What gives? Why aren't there any U.S comanies taking advantage of this market? Why does U.S let a small 3rd-party Korean company like PCBANK to 'dump' their discontinued 26" monitor? What's even weird is that the same monitor in U.S is $250-300 more expensive yet regarded as one of the best afforadable monitors in U.S and people are waiting for it to come back. Even xtknight, who is the guru of monitors, said the following about the monitor "....attractive price, honest advertising. Seriously, what else could you want?" Well, here's the new one.

Well, what I wanted to say is that there's something wrong with the U.S LCD market. Not only U.S lacks products option yet the price is too high. Here in Canada, a situation like this isn't strange because it's just the way it is here when it comes to pretty much everything but it's never been this way in U.S as far as I know.

BTW, Korean currency went even lower than U.S dollar in order to boost export sales in U.S.
 

Dadofamunky

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Serradifalco
Where is the Moderator? This thread should be locked. Not only is it uninformative but it also racist and condescending. This type of discussion had no place in these forums. Enough said!

Originally posted by: taltamir
The term would be ethnicist or bigot. last I checked "korea" wasn't a race.
And "LCDs are cheap in korea" was not a bigoted remark.

i bet you the OP is korean and not a single person calling him racist is.

And it isn't any less informative then most threads around here.


Yup, I am Korean who lived in U.S and now living in Canada.
Thank for saying what I wanted to say. I have no clue why he thinks of me as racist and my thread is uninformative.
I compared the market, gave out examples. I let people know that there should be more choices than we currently do.
How's that uninformative?

Yeah, so much for your bigotry, eh?

Americans typically think they're the Bee's Knees, the ne plus ultra of everything. They're not. There is no location in the US that compares remotely to the Tokyo Ginza or the electronics markets in Taipei, and tho I don't know too much about Korea's electronics markets (other than they manufacture many of the top LCD panels) I think it's safe to assume they're as tech-mad as anyone else. In fact, more so in many cases. AFAIK, the average Korean broadband connection is 20-30 Mbps. Try doing that in the US.

Regarding the Chaebol, Korea is hardly unique in this aspect. One look at Japan's Keiretsu or America's re-consolidating telecom market, not to mention our non-existent enforcement of antitrust law, gives the lie to that assumption.

America possesses decent supply of many tech components. Until recently, it was extremely difficult to acquire a decent-sized hard disk in Europe. The same was true in Japan. Over time, however, these things tend to even out as technology advances, becomes less expensive and permeates more corners of society in many parts of the world. That would make an interesting study.

So why are you stuck in Canada? Visa issues? That's another area where the US could stand to get a clue. Not every foreigner is Osama Freakin' Bin Laden.
 

taltamir

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Does the term chaebol mean anything to you? The reason is Asia's notorious record of dumping products in other markets at below their cost, propped-up by a combination of tax dollars, sordid nationalized holding schemes, loan guarantees, and other types of government assistance that are generally prohibited by US law, regulations, and tax code, or just plain offensive to most people in the West (including a good number of business people). And it so happens that LG, Samsung, and Hyundai are THE largest cheabols in SK. What a coincidence!

SK reformers are still unwinding this sordid 40 year-old labrynth of mutual government-cheabol cooperation formed for the goal not to compete with foreign companies, but to destroy foreign companies in their own markets. And SK has never been held accountable or compensated the countries they have deliberately harmed. They are still spinning it domestically with great success as SK products winning fair-and-square in foreign markets because their products were "superior".

Superior a monkey's ass. We were deluged for some 10+ years with cheap Asian garbage before products from Korea and other Asian countries began to meet any standard of quality, reliability, or even safety for that matter, while our domestic companies were forced down a slippery slope of cost-slashing and product cheapening just to compete with cut-throat foreign pricing (facilitated by illegal dumping practices, of course). The domestic fall-out from this has still not fully settled.
Bill gates would have called it sound business practices... or in this case, sound government practices...
The ones at fault are the american and european governments for letting it happen.

Oh, and some products WERE superior... american cars were shit. Probably because of protective tariffs, so they didn't have to compete pricewise... they are only now catching up.

And, comparing organic products to matrial products in this case is just silly. I'm sure you know why if you think about it one more time. BTW, organic products that are from U.S to Korea is even cheaper than those of Korean's. Can you figure that out?
Yeah, supply and demand, whatever the actual impetus or driving influences. Why is Japanese rice more expensive in Japan than US rice? Because the Japanese don't like US rice. Japan buys large amounts of US rice for emergency stockpiles because it can't produce enough to meet national emergency stockpile quotas and its own domestic food needs. It then uses our rice in animal feed or other processed foods before it spoils. The Japanese are willing to (and do) pay three to four times as much for Japanese rice than for US or practically any other country's rice for that matter.[/quote]
You never had japanese rice have you? it is FUCKING GOOD! No really, the best rice I EVER ATE. That stuff is a billion times better then the crap we call rice...

There is good indian rice...

Although recently I have been getting some really good texas grown organic brown basmati rice from costco.
 

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not to sound like a troll or anything.

But when you think of LCDs what companies do you think of?

Samsung, LG. Those 2 are uber big names in the LCD industry.

And guess what?

There both korean.

Samsung we all know. LG used to be 2 korean companies way back ago. My uncle was a general manager for GoldStar.

the L stands for Lucky. After the merg they became lucky goldstar, aka LG. :p
 

sxr7171

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What I don't understand is the dearth of 24" options. I bought my Dell 24" 3+ years ago. After these 3 years manufacturers still release groups of monitors where they release a 19" a 20" and a 22" monitor. Where are the 24" monitors? For that matter where are the 27" or the 30" monitors? Sure they exist, but they are still very expensive can we please get some economy of scale going on 24" 27" and 30" monitors?
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
not to sound like a troll or anything.

But when you think of LCDs what companies do you think of?

Samsung, LG. Those 2 are uber big names in the LCD industry.

And guess what?

There both korean.

Samsung we all know. LG used to be 2 korean companies way back ago. My uncle was a general manager for GoldStar.

the L stands for Lucky. After the merg they became lucky goldstar, aka LG. :p

I know about Goldstar but had never heard of Lucky. I just thought they renamed to Lucky Goldstar for luck.
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: taltamir
20 minutes on a bike?
DAMN!
here when I order something it takes 24 - 48 hours before it even leaves the warehouse... then it costs over 50$ to get it the day after it leaves the warehouse (assuming you live close enough), and still a decent bunch for 2nd and 3rd day... although if you shop around you CAN find places with decent 2nd and 3rd day shipping under 10$ for shipping.

10% is not bad at all. If you can find something half price there, then instead of paying 1200$ for such a thing here... you pay 660$... 600$ is what the product costs there, and 60$ for packaging and shipping international. It is really VERY cheap if you think about it.

Not only that bike delivery service is fast, it also only costs $20.
When I was in Korea last time, I ordered a Dslr on-line. Here's how it went.

1. Using price search engine, I found a site that sells it the cheapest. <5min.
2. Made a on-line banking payment. <5min.
3. The camera came in front of my door. <20min.

Seoul is the city that has 10.5 millions of poplulation alone and it goes up to 15 million when satellite cities are considered. That's a huge market and that's why services like that exist.

Exactly what we need in NYC. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet short of Barnes and Noble offering same day delivery on books to Manhattan.
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: hans007
Originally posted by: taltamir
The term would be ethnicist or bigot. last I checked "korea" wasn't a race.
And "LCDs are cheap in korea" was not a bigoted remark.

i bet you the OP is korean and not a single person calling him racist is.

And it isn't any less informative then most threads around here.



I agree whoever is raising the patriotism and claiming this is bigoted is just a jingoist idiot.

i mean its fairly well known that for a lot of things we have the worst selection of stuff.


case in point electronics. electronics there is generally a better selection of in asia. i suppose the thinking is americans will not pay for the specialty stuff.

i mean thats why TN lcds are all over the place here, and in europe IPS and pva displays are easier to find, as america is all about price. its not worth it to these companies to put out 5000 skus that we wont even buy.



look at the car market. in europe and japan there is a much better selection of premium small cars, or hatchbacks. here they do not bring all the variations because it costs too much or americans will not pay $25k for say a premium hatchback (like say a mercedes B class , which is in reality a total ripoff but thats besides the point).


i guess the lesson here, is americans dont care as much about super high quality goods and will not pay extra for the quality. that isnt necesarily a bad thing. we are value concious maybe, i mean people wont buy a $700 24" monitor if they can get a worse quality TN one for $300. (sucks for us enthusiasts) , but that is not bigoted. "americans wont pay for premium stuff" is not really an offensive statement imho.

It's just tough for those of us here who don't subscribe to the quantity over quality mindset that is so pervasive here. I would rather put $25,000 into a nice premium hatchback than on a Chevy Impala.
 

Deadtrees

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Oh well, enough is said and I guess it's time for something to be done. Nothing major or anything but I'm thinking about importing some monitors from Korea to North America.

I'm only interested in 26" and 30" IPS pannels so what I import will be only those.

At this point, I'm just gathering information on what I need to do and how much it'd cost. If it's not much hassle and the profit on my end is decent, I'm going to bring here. I don't know how it'll work out but I hope I can make it work.
 

tcsenter

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Americans typically think they're the Bee's Knees, the ne plus ultra of everything. They're not. There is no location in the US that compares remotely to the Tokyo Ginza or the electronics markets in Taipei, and tho I don't know too much about Korea's electronics markets (other than they manufacture many of the top LCD panels) I think it's safe to assume they're as tech-mad as anyone else.
Ehh...Americans tend not to travel abroad, since there is so much travel to be had within our own borders or directly acrossed the border, so how would they know what Tokyo Ginza or Taipei is like? When we do travel abroad, we tend not to go where we might have to elbow our way through a crammed shopping center. More typically, we travel abroad to GET AWAY from those experiences and see something really cool. A consumer electronics mega-shopping center would not make most American's top 100 list of sights to see and thing to do abroad (including mine). About the only Americans who might ever find themselves in Taipei are those traveling on business.

In fact, more so in many cases. AFAIK, the average Korean broadband connection is 20-30 Mbps. Try doing that in the US.
If downtown Seattle spilled acrossed the whole of the United States (i.e. high-density urban sprawl from coast to coast), as most of South Korea is like, you would see 20Mbps and more, too. In fact, 20Mbit or higher is available in most large urban metros. I can get 10Mbit cable for $65/month in a semi-rural town with a population of 12,000 people, 2,000 dairy cows, and one million chickens. We're currently on the 5Mbit plan for $40/month (after $10 discount because we subscribe to cable TV also). Our DSL packages here go up to 10Mbit also, but they are nearly twice as expensive as cable, because telco in this area is provided by some small regional carrier, while cable is provided by Comcast.

Regarding the Chaebol, Korea is hardly unique in this aspect. One look at Japan's Keiretsu or America's re-consolidating telecom market, not to mention our non-existent enforcement of antitrust law, gives the lie to that assumption.
The discussion was about Korea, not Japan. I don't know what place America's domestic telecom market has in this discussion. Its one thing to assist your corporations domestically with tax breaks or arguably lax enforcement of your own anti-trust laws. Its quite another to assist your corporations in a clandestine effort to ruin foreign competitors in their own domestic markets. The latter is state-sponsored economic/industry sabotage, which is nearly an act of war.

Bill gates would have called it sound business practices... or in this case, sound government practices...
The ones at fault are the american and european governments for letting it happen.
I agree that American and European governments bear responsibility for its naive or misguided policies, but the fault or blame rests squarely with those countries who used deceptive ploys to deliberately inflict material harm upon our domestic markets and companies, and continue to reap spoils from it without consequence. Remember, the US does not dictate trade policy to anyone, and it often has little choice but to open US markets to certain imports or face potentially onerous sanctions, lawsuits, and other consequences.

Oh, and some products WERE superior... american cars were shit. Probably because of protective tariffs, so they didn't have to compete pricewise... they are only now catching up.
Japanese products were the exception. They were way ahead of countries like China, Malaysia, and Korea in terms of design and manufacturing standards. Japan may have engaged in much of the same state-sponsored dumping practices, but at least their products were not substandard, I'll give them that.

You never had japanese rice have you? it is FUCKING GOOD! No really, the best rice I EVER ATE. That stuff is a billion times better then the crap we call rice...
What does my culinary exposure to Japanese rice have to do with the price of tea in China (or rice in Japan, as it were)? I don't care whether Japanese rice is better or not, it has no material relevance.

What I don't understand is the dearth of 24" options. I bought my Dell 24" 3+ years ago. After these 3 years manufacturers still release groups of monitors where they release a 19" a 20" and a 22" monitor. Where are the 24" monitors? For that matter where are the 27" or the 30" monitors?
This I can answer with some certainty. In America, there are plenty of options above ~ 24", except we call them televisions. This is not a consumer 'savvyness' or technology adoption issue, but a consumer preference and product segmentation issue. Blame Pioneer, Kenwood, Denon, JVC, Sony, Yamaha, Panasonic, Hitachi, and other (mostly Japanese) companies for making yummy component-based home theatre and audio equipment all these years, which solidified consumer preference and attitudes about product segmentation years before the PC was a viable digital media/home entertainment platform.

We still view and use the PC mostly as a productivity tool, while we watch movies and television on plasmas, projection screens, DLPs, and whatnot, and listen to music/radio on audio equipment. We already have home theatre/entertainment systems with large screens, into which we can plug cable, satellite, DVD player, XBox, and PS. Why would we want to duplicate this capability on that thing we use to run Quicken or MS office?

The home theatre and audio market in the US has decades of traction to overcome, whereas PCs are just now bringing suitable capabilities, albiet at a premium. More than 80% of the US PC market is sub-$800 configurations, the majority being sub-$600 which do not bring suitable capabilities to match component DVD players, A/V receivers, and so on.

I'm not going to watch movies on some 30" PC monitor, or listen to music on some glorified PC speakers, when there is a 52" 720p/1080i widescreen rear-projection TV, Kenwood A/V receiver and CD changer, and a set of Infinity loudspeakers in the other room. I couldn't explain why anyone would.
 

taltamir

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Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: taltamir
20 minutes on a bike?
DAMN!
here when I order something it takes 24 - 48 hours before it even leaves the warehouse... then it costs over 50$ to get it the day after it leaves the warehouse (assuming you live close enough), and still a decent bunch for 2nd and 3rd day... although if you shop around you CAN find places with decent 2nd and 3rd day shipping under 10$ for shipping.

10% is not bad at all. If you can find something half price there, then instead of paying 1200$ for such a thing here... you pay 660$... 600$ is what the product costs there, and 60$ for packaging and shipping international. It is really VERY cheap if you think about it.

Not only that bike delivery service is fast, it also only costs $20.
When I was in Korea last time, I ordered a Dslr on-line. Here's how it went.

1. Using price search engine, I found a site that sells it the cheapest. <5min.
2. Made a on-line banking payment. <5min.
3. The camera came in front of my door. <20min.

Seoul is the city that has 10.5 millions of poplulation alone and it goes up to 15 million when satellite cities are considered. That's a huge market and that's why services like that exist.

Exactly what we need in NYC. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet short of Barnes and Noble offering same day delivery on books to Manhattan.

Which is why I reacted as I did... The only thing I can get this kind of service for in the US is pizza delivery.
 

ViRGE

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Let's keep this thread on the topic of the US/Korean LCD markets please. If I start reading about broadband speeds or rice again, this thread is getting locked.
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
....Remember, the US does not dictate trade policy to anyone...
... What I don't understand is the dearth of 24" options. I bought my Dell 24" 3+ years ago. After these 3 years manufacturers still release groups of monitors where they release a 19" a 20" and a 22" monitor. Where are the 24" monitors? For that matter where are the 27" or the 30" monitors?
This I can answer with some certainty. In America, there are plenty of options above ~ 24", except we call them televisions. This is not a consumer 'savvyness' or technology adoption issue, but a consumer preference and product segmentation issue. Blame Pioneer, Kenwood, Denon, JVC, Sony, Yamaha, Panasonic, Hitachi, and other (mostly Japanese) companies for making yummy component-based home theatre and audio equipment all these years, which solidified consumer preference and attitudes about product segmentation years before the PC was a viable digital media/home entertainment platform.

We still view and use the PC mostly as a productivity tool, while we watch movies and television on plasmas, projection screens, DLPs, and whatnot, and listen to music/radio on audio equipment. We already have home theatre/entertainment systems with large screens, into which we can plug cable, satellite, DVD player, XBox, and PS. Why would we want to duplicate this capability on that thing we use to run Quicken or MS office?

The home theatre and audio market in the US has decades of traction to overcome, whereas PCs are just now bringing suitable capabilities, albiet at a premium. More than 80% of the US PC market is sub-$800 configurations, the majority being sub-$600 which do not bring suitable capabilities to match component DVD players, A/V receivers, and so on.

I'm not going to watch movies on some 30" PC monitor, or listen to music on some glorified PC speakers, when there is a 52" 720p/1080i widescreen rear-projection TV, Kenwood A/V receiver and CD changer, and a set of Infinity loudspeakers in the other room. I couldn't explain why anyone would.

Though I wish I could comment on what you said about U.S trade policy and Japanese products, I'll follow ViRGE's warning.
That leaves me on what you said on the last part. You make it sound like that 30" monitors are only good for watching movies and the reason why U.S LCD market sucks is because AV products are better.
Do you think what you've said only applies to U.S? People in other countires have all those AV products you mentioned. U.S is not alone in that area. It's not like people in Korea did not have those AV products before and are stuck with watching AV stuffs on the computer/monitor. Also, You can have all those AV products for AV purposes and have a computer for other purposes. It's not like you only have to choose one. I think Americans know it.
There're many other things you can do on the high quality big LCD monitor except watching a movie.

Thanks for your input and take on this issue anyhow but it doesn't really ring the bell. But then again, I might be wrong. Maybe, Americans do think like you do. I don't know.

Anway, as far as know, U.S has the biggest market in the world when it comes to pretty much everything. Even when it comes to high quality camera(dslr) market, U.S is the country that alone consumes 40% of whole international products. But, there's no market for high quality LCD monitors? I still don't get this. Why are there so tiny range of products and when there is, is it so expensive? What would it be like if you could buy 30" IPS panel monitor less than $800?
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: allies
Originally posted by: craftech
Do they have Republicans in Korea?

No? That explains it. ;)

John

Haha. Touche.

Anyway, I would be all for getting an influx of high-end monitors into the US; however, as I mentioned before Koreans are somewhat materialistic (maybe a better way to put it would be savvy) and the majority of people in the US aren't tech savvy, give them a 24" TN and they'll be super happy/oblivious to better choices.

I'm trying to intern with LG in the future... I'll put in a word for them to market high quality monitors stateside :)

Maybe Koreans have more money than Americans? A NEC LCD2490WUXi is not exactly cheap @ over 1k.
 

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: tcsenter
....Remember, the US does not dictate trade policy to anyone...
... What I don't understand is the dearth of 24" options. I bought my Dell 24" 3+ years ago. After these 3 years manufacturers still release groups of monitors where they release a 19" a 20" and a 22" monitor. Where are the 24" monitors? For that matter where are the 27" or the 30" monitors?
This I can answer with some certainty. In America, there are plenty of options above ~ 24", except we call them televisions. This is not a consumer 'savvyness' or technology adoption issue, but a consumer preference and product segmentation issue. Blame Pioneer, Kenwood, Denon, JVC, Sony, Yamaha, Panasonic, Hitachi, and other (mostly Japanese) companies for making yummy component-based home theatre and audio equipment all these years, which solidified consumer preference and attitudes about product segmentation years before the PC was a viable digital media/home entertainment platform.

We still view and use the PC mostly as a productivity tool, while we watch movies and television on plasmas, projection screens, DLPs, and whatnot, and listen to music/radio on audio equipment. We already have home theatre/entertainment systems with large screens, into which we can plug cable, satellite, DVD player, XBox, and PS. Why would we want to duplicate this capability on that thing we use to run Quicken or MS office?

The home theatre and audio market in the US has decades of traction to overcome, whereas PCs are just now bringing suitable capabilities, albiet at a premium. More than 80% of the US PC market is sub-$800 configurations, the majority being sub-$600 which do not bring suitable capabilities to match component DVD players, A/V receivers, and so on.

I'm not going to watch movies on some 30" PC monitor, or listen to music on some glorified PC speakers, when there is a 52" 720p/1080i widescreen rear-projection TV, Kenwood A/V receiver and CD changer, and a set of Infinity loudspeakers in the other room. I couldn't explain why anyone would.

Though I wish I could comment on what you said about U.S trade policy and Japanese products, I'll follow ViRGE's warning.
That leaves me on what you said on the last part. You make it sound like that 30" monitors are only good for watching movies and the reason why U.S LCD market sucks is because AV products are better.
Do you think what you've said only applies to U.S? People in other countires have all those AV products you mentioned. U.S is not alone in that area. It's not like people in Korea did not have those AV products before and are stuck with watching AV stuffs on the computer/monitor. Also, You can have all those AV products for AV purposes and have a computer for other purposes. It's not like you only have to choose one. I think Americans know it.
There're many other things you can do on the high quality big LCD monitor except watching a movie.

Thanks for your input and take on this issue anyhow but it doesn't really ring the bell. But then again, I might be wrong. Maybe, Americans do think like you do. I don't know.

Anway, as far as know, U.S has the biggest market in the world when it comes to pretty much everything. Even when it comes to high quality camera(dslr) market, U.S is the country that alone consumes 40% of whole international products. But, there's no market for high quality LCD monitors? I still don't get this. Why are there so tiny range of products and when there is, is it so expensive? What would it be like if you could buy 30" IPS panel monitor less than $800?

Don't be silly, people in other countries use VHS tapes mounted on their camel. [/sarcasm] :p


Originally posted by: craftech
Do they have Republicans in Korea?

No? That explains it. ;)

John

Last I checked about 50% of americans are republican... In fact they won the last two elections.. So what in the WORLD makes all those liberals think that it is funny or appropriate to inject a joke making fun of them at EVERY CONVERSATION! Seriously, there is a 50% chance that whomever you talk to is actually a republican and you just insulted them... and it doesn't matter if it is a social gathering or a business meeting, liberals always without fail manage to rip on republicans and the majority elected president.

Please do not do so again, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with LCDs, or computers, and should not be anywhere outside the "social" forums.