U.S. is not going to beg OPEC for oil

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Pennstate
opps sorry, I meant Charrison. You conservatives all look alike

I would consider myself an environmentalist, but I doubt many greens/democrats would see me as one. I beleive it possible to rresponsably use the resources available on this planet without destroying it.

Same here. I stop short of hugging trees....WAY short

CkG

but trees are just so damn huggable!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Dissipate
On the other hand high gas prices will make hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative and more firms will invest in it. It would suck for awhile but if high gas prices take us closer to an alternative energy source it may be better in the long haul. I happen to join in on the anti-SUV sentiment some people have. Driving around with huge SUVs and trucks is annoying to say the least, especially in parking lots. If people want to drive huge vehicles that's fine but I can't say I won't be laughing with cowen when gas prices sky rocket and they are stuck with an Excursion.

Is there any reason the high price of gas in Europe hasn't forced them to switch to alternative car power? I'm sure there's at least one or two scientists on the continent

Never been to Europe, eh?

Then you've never noticed that many cars on the road there are tiny little econoboxes (that are actually rather stylish) and get great gas mileage. Also, there is much greater use of mass transit and bicycles. There is also much less sprawl than here in the States.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Dissipate
On the other hand high gas prices will make hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative and more firms will invest in it. It would suck for awhile but if high gas prices take us closer to an alternative energy source it may be better in the long haul. I happen to join in on the anti-SUV sentiment some people have. Driving around with huge SUVs and trucks is annoying to say the least, especially in parking lots. If people want to drive huge vehicles that's fine but I can't say I won't be laughing with cowen when gas prices sky rocket and they are stuck with an Excursion.

Is there any reason the high price of gas in Europe hasn't forced them to switch to alternative car power? I'm sure there's at least one or two scientists on the continent

Never been to Europe, eh?

Then you've never noticed that many cars on the road there are tiny little econoboxes (that are actually rather stylish) and get great gas mileage. Also, there is much greater use of mass transit and bicycles. There is also much less sprawl than here in the States.

That's because their countries are smaller and have higher population density.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Dissipate
On the other hand high gas prices will make hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative and more firms will invest in it. It would suck for awhile but if high gas prices take us closer to an alternative energy source it may be better in the long haul. I happen to join in on the anti-SUV sentiment some people have. Driving around with huge SUVs and trucks is annoying to say the least, especially in parking lots. If people want to drive huge vehicles that's fine but I can't say I won't be laughing with cowen when gas prices sky rocket and they are stuck with an Excursion.

Is there any reason the high price of gas in Europe hasn't forced them to switch to alternative car power? I'm sure there's at least one or two scientists on the continent

Never been to Europe, eh?

Then you've never noticed that many cars on the road there are tiny little econoboxes (that are actually rather stylish) and get great gas mileage. Also, there is much greater use of mass transit and bicycles. There is also much less sprawl than here in the States.

That's because their countries are smaller and have higher population density.

So we need to explode higher in population before the SUV Urban Assualt Vehicles go away???

 

[sandorski]

Alternative energy will take years to develop, the best start is to crack down on fuel consumption.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Dissipate
On the other hand high gas prices will make hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative and more firms will invest in it. It would suck for awhile but if high gas prices take us closer to an alternative energy source it may be better in the long haul. I happen to join in on the anti-SUV sentiment some people have. Driving around with huge SUVs and trucks is annoying to say the least, especially in parking lots. If people want to drive huge vehicles that's fine but I can't say I won't be laughing with cowen when gas prices sky rocket and they are stuck with an Excursion.

Is there any reason the high price of gas in Europe hasn't forced them to switch to alternative car power? I'm sure there's at least one or two scientists on the continent

Never been to Europe, eh?

Then you've never noticed that many cars on the road there are tiny little econoboxes (that are actually rather stylish) and get great gas mileage. Also, there is much greater use of mass transit and bicycles. There is also much less sprawl than here in the States.

That's because their countries are smaller and have higher population density.

The countries being smaller have nothing to do with it. It's similar to how our states are smaller. Not sure the point there.

As for the population density, that was my point. They have avoided the bane of urban sprawl and when they do drive, it's with more fuel-efficient vehicles. The mass transit is also much better than here in the states.

 

[conjur]

I'm surprised the Bush apologists haven't jumped in here to defend Bush's flip-flopping.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Dman877
Gas is like 7$ a gallon in England. They all drive tiny little cars . Maybe by "changing the gameplan" he means alternative energy...er... wait this is the war president, nevermind.

Hehehe

Cool, can't wait for Gas to hit $7 a gallon here Stateside, to see the face of SUV owners shelling out $200 to fill their SUV's would be priceless.

Thats the most idiotic sentiment I have heard on the this forum in a long time. Including the OT forum. Your unemployed ass would really be hurting if every american had to pay $7 for a gallon of gas. How far will peoples paychecks go when they have to pay $6 for a gallon of milk? You have to truck it in from somewhere and those trucks need gas. It just doesn't hurt the SUV drivers dumbass.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm surprised the Bush apologists haven't jumped in here to defend Bush's flip-flopping.

I'm sure they're stunned by their Fearless Liar's groveling and begging for Oil from the Sand Thugs that he thought he had done enough brown nosing to be their friend and they stick him in the back, it's hysterical and great to see even A$$ kissing in the RBC doesn't work.

 

[YellowRose]

First thing first. You cannot comapre prices for gas in Europe to that of the US. They have excellent public transportation systems whereas we have crappt systems. Our main form of transportation is a personal vehicle yet they can hop a train or cable car and go anywhere within a city or the country.

OT a little

The price of gas has caused me problems contray to what the Dallas Fedral Bank Gov says. Plans to attend NMSU have been put on hold( a 100 mile round trip). Even visits to the coin shop ( its around the mountain and way out on the east side of el paso) have been reduced to once a month. While gas is only $1.63 here its rough on someone with a fixed income.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: conjur
Bush should be the poster boy for Shoe Carnival's upcoming summer flip-flop sale.

Pushes Gore in 2000 to get OPEC to "open the spigots" then claims this year we will not beg OPEC.

BUT, now we have this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115810,00.html

WASHINGTON ? White House officials urged Kuwait (search) and the United Arab Emirates (search) to try to reverse OPEC's (search) decision Wednesday to reduce oil production, a move sure to drive up gas prices and intensify a volatile election-year issue. Both countries already had opposed the production cut.

President Bush expressed disappointment with the decision by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (search) to cut its production target by 4 percent. Bush's spokesman blamed Senate Democrats for stalling Bush's plan to drill for more domestic oil and to conserve energy.


Re:that last sentence, last I checked the Senate was controlled by Republicans.

Erm...well...Damn those Clintons!

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: Pennstate
opps sorry, I meant Charrison. You conservatives all look alike

and smell like bologna

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Dman877
Gas is like 7$ a gallon in England. They all drive tiny little cars . Maybe by "changing the gameplan" he means alternative energy...er... wait this is the war president, nevermind.

Hehehe

Cool, can't wait for Gas to hit $7 a gallon here Stateside, to see the face of SUV owners shelling out $200 to fill their SUV's would be priceless.

Too bad when that happens you won't be able to afford the gas to drive to the station to laugh at them!!

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

What price does oil have to reach for Americans to say enough is enough? I'm glad we are not begging OPEC for oil, we should be developing technologies to get off oil as soon as possible. As it is now we are sending billions of dollars to countries that hate the U.S. such as Saudi Arabia.

And then what? We say enough is enough AND THEN WHAT? We've got nothing and it's their commodity. If they want to raise the price, they should be free to do it.

Besides, you want to tell me how we are going to refine all this "extra" oil you want?

 

[tnitsuj]

A large part of the current oil prices seem to be due to speculators, not strictly supply of crude.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Dissipate

What price does oil have to reach for Americans to say enough is enough? I'm glad we are not begging OPEC for oil, we should be developing technologies to get off oil as soon as possible. As it is now we are sending billions of dollars to countries that hate the U.S. such as Saudi Arabia.

And then what? We say enough is enough AND THEN WHAT? We've got nothing and it's their commodity. If they want to raise the price, they should be free to do it.

Besides, you want to tell me how we are going to refine all this "extra" oil you want?

You misinterpret my statements. I meant: "When are Americans going to say enough is enough and invest in alternative energy sources." Yes, they should be allowed to charge whatever they want, and in fact I hope they charge more, this would give corporations more of an incentive to research viable alternatives to fossil fuels. If gas prices got so high the rewards for an alternative would go way up for private companies and would fuel a faster ascent to non-oil energy.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Dissipate

What price does oil have to reach for Americans to say enough is enough? I'm glad we are not begging OPEC for oil, we should be developing technologies to get off oil as soon as possible. As it is now we are sending billions of dollars to countries that hate the U.S. such as Saudi Arabia.

And then what? We say enough is enough AND THEN WHAT? We've got nothing and it's their commodity. If they want to raise the price, they should be free to do it.

Besides, you want to tell me how we are going to refine all this "extra" oil you want?

You misinterpret my statements. I meant: "When are Americans going to say enough is enough and invest in alternative energy sources." Yes, they should be allowed to charge whatever they want, and in fact I hope they charge more, this would give corporations more of an incentive to research viable alternatives to fossil fuels. If gas prices got so high the rewards for an alternative would go way up for private companies and would fuel a faster ascent to non-oil energy.

Fair enough.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Dissipate
On the other hand high gas prices will make hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative and more firms will invest in it. It would suck for awhile but if high gas prices take us closer to an alternative energy source it may be better in the long haul. I happen to join in on the anti-SUV sentiment some people have. Driving around with huge SUVs and trucks is annoying to say the least, especially in parking lots. If people want to drive huge vehicles that's fine but I can't say I won't be laughing with cowen when gas prices sky rocket and they are stuck with an Excursion.

Is there any reason the high price of gas in Europe hasn't forced them to switch to alternative car power? I'm sure there's at least one or two scientists on the continent

Never been to Europe, eh?

Then you've never noticed that many cars on the road there are tiny little econoboxes (that are actually rather stylish) and get great gas mileage. Also, there is much greater use of mass transit and bicycles. There is also much less sprawl than here in the States.

Not that it matters but I have been to Europe, thrice in fact. And those are alternatives to cars (or gas-guzzling cars), not alternative ways to power cars.

I guess it's my fault for not being clearer. Most people would call gas prices in Europe high by American standards so why hasn't it happened that those "high gas prices [made] hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative" enough so that they've arrived at an alternative way to power their cars?

Good try though

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Dissipate
On the other hand high gas prices will make hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative and more firms will invest in it. It would suck for awhile but if high gas prices take us closer to an alternative energy source it may be better in the long haul. I happen to join in on the anti-SUV sentiment some people have. Driving around with huge SUVs and trucks is annoying to say the least, especially in parking lots. If people want to drive huge vehicles that's fine but I can't say I won't be laughing with cowen when gas prices sky rocket and they are stuck with an Excursion.

Is there any reason the high price of gas in Europe hasn't forced them to switch to alternative car power? I'm sure there's at least one or two scientists on the continent

Never been to Europe, eh?

Then you've never noticed that many cars on the road there are tiny little econoboxes (that are actually rather stylish) and get great gas mileage. Also, there is much greater use of mass transit and bicycles. There is also much less sprawl than here in the States.

Not that it matters but I have been to Europe, thrice in fact. And those are alternatives to cars (or gas-guzzling cars), not alternative ways to power cars.

I guess it's my fault for not being clearer. Most people would call gas prices in Europe high by American standards so why hasn't it happened that those "high gas prices [made] hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative" enough so that they've arrived at an alternative way to power their cars?

Good try though

Good posts BM. Bottom line is that the Oil Thugs make a lot less profits since the Euros use a lot less fuel, so they raise the price as high as the Euros could bear without strangling them to death.

The whole Oil Industry is a snake eating it's own tail.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
We have all the oil in Iraq at our disposal. We should have free gas. Bush is giving his buddies all the oil and still letting them charge more for it.

The oil in Iraq isn't "at our disposal" ~ We don't own it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: conjur
Never been to Europe, eh?

Then you've never noticed that many cars on the road there are tiny little econoboxes (that are actually rather stylish) and get great gas mileage. Also, there is much greater use of mass transit and bicycles. There is also much less sprawl than here in the States.

Not that it matters but I have been to Europe, thrice in fact. And those are alternatives to cars (or gas-guzzling cars), not alternative ways to power cars.

I guess it's my fault for not being clearer. Most people would call gas prices in Europe high by American standards so why hasn't it happened that those "high gas prices [made] hydrogen fuel cell technology more lucrative" enough so that they've arrived at an alternative way to power their cars?

Good try though

Because it's not really as big a problem as high gas prices would be here in the States. We do a LOT more driving here than they do in Europe.

We don't have the number of people riding bikes or using mass transit like over there. We have to have our gargantuan SUVs and land yacht sedans while they've adapted to smaller cars with small engine displacements and more use of diesel engines, too. Also, they drive less as people are more concentrated in the city centers.