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U.S. inquiry said to find raid killed 30+ Afghan civilians

heyheybooboo

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U.S. inquiry said to find raid killed 30 Afghan civilians
Published: October 8, 2008

An investigation by the military has concluded that American airstrikes on Aug. 22 in a village in western Afghanistan killed far more civilians than American commanders there have acknowledged, according to two American military officials.

The military investigator's report found that more than 30 civilians ? not 5 to 7 as the military has long insisted ? died in the airstrikes against a suspected Taliban compound in Azizabad.

The investigator, Brigadier General Michael Callan of the Air Force, concluded that many more civilians, including women and children, had been buried in the rubble than the military had asserted, one of the military officials said.

The airstrikes have been the focus of sharp tensions between the Afghan government, which has said that 90 civilians died in the raid, and the American military, under General David McKiernan, the top American military commander in Afghanistan, which has repeatedly insisted that only a handful of civilians were killed. ~~~~

According to the new report, fewer than 20 militants died in the raid, which was conducted jointly by American and Afghan forces, and in subsequent airstrikes carried out by American warplanes in support of the allied ground forces. ~~~~

The New York Times on Sept. 8 described freshly dug graves, lists of the dead, and cellphone videos and other images showing bodies of women and children in the village mosque seen on a visit to Azizabad. Cellphone images a Times reporter saw showed at least 11 dead children, some apparently with blast and concussion injuries, among some 30 to 40 bodies laid out in the mosque. ~~~~

One of the military officials who agreed to discuss the new report said the Special Forces troops who had called in the strikes could conduct only a limited assessment of the damage and casualties afterward because they were forced to leave the village soon after the strikes, fearing retaliation from the villagers.

"We were wrong on the number of civilian casualties partly because the initial review was operating under real limitations," said one of the military officials, who said of the Special Forces soldiers, "They were definitely not welcome there."

I hope we are not wearing out our welcome in Afghanistan.

We sometimes place our soldiers in untenable situations. Take out 20 bad guys without hurting civilians. Regretfully sometimes, it just doesn't work that way.

And so .... in a small village in Afghanistan for generations the story will be told. And in the future when the opportunity presents itself a local citizen will avenge the death of their own by killing Americans.

They ain't got no MTV. No cable. No internet. All they have are their life stories that are passed from parent to child, and so on ...
 

Lemon law

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The main question, IMHO, is if a single militant was killed in that raid at Azzibad. And I don't care who did the raid, if I was an Afghan villager that survived the raid, I would be getting my gun and firing at who ever did it. But this is one story the American military is not going to be able to whitewash, but it looks like they are still trying to white wash what they can while back peddling furiously.

In terms of "I hope we are not wearing out our welcome in Afghanistan.", the Afghan people have long ago lost faith that the Nato occupation will deliver anything but corruption and anarchy. And now Afghan civilians are trapped with a government that does not work, steeped in corruption, and get to live in a permanent shooting gallery as the Taliban and Nato battle it out.

But what do we expect, if administering an Iraqi occupation in a country of 25 million should require 500,000 troops, how can an Afghan occupation in a country of 31 million work when there are only 72,000 troops? Especially when there are totally porous Borders to the North, East, West, and South. And sad to say, the Taliban is a home grown movement.
 

heyheybooboo

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Afghanistan is simply a failed state.

Nobody knows how to balance bringing them into the 20th Century (much less the 21st) with their security needs while addressing the rebirth of the Taliban and the potential development of 100s of international terrorists ....

While dodging 5+ million land mines and trying to uncover OBL.

Rightfully this is where our focus needs to be - with some type of plan. Hopefully our new President will see this ...
 

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