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U.S. Group to File Iraq War Crimes Case in Germany

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U.S. Group to File Iraq War Crimes Case in Germany

Nov 29, 2004 ? BERLIN (Reuters) - Lawyers acting for a U.S. advocacy group will Tuesday file war crimes charges in Germany against senior U.S. administration officials for their alleged role in torture at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

"German law in this area is leading the world," Peter Weiss, vice president of the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), a human rights group, was quoted as saying in Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper's Tuesday edition.

According to the group, German law allows war criminals to be investigated wherever they may be living.

Those to be named in the case to be filed at Germany's Federal Prosecutors Office include Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, former Central Intelligence Agency chief George Tenet and eight other officials.

The group is due to present details of its case at several news conferences Tuesday, according to invitations faxed to media organizations.

 
Good. I wonder when they'll be going after Chretien, Clinton, Chirac, and Annan? Surely they are on their list as well and this group isn't just a bunch of pissed-off, whining, liberal wackos? They can all easily be accused of war crimes and contravening international law.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Good. I wonder when they'll be going after Chretien, Clinton, Chirac, and Annan? Surely they are on their list as well and this group isn't just a bunch of pissed-off, whining, liberal wackos? They can all easily be accused of war crimes and contravening international law.
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I wouldn't mind it.
 
what will happen if these men are convicted in germany? i mean , is this just a show trial without teeth?
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Chirac Can not be charged with anything. Under French Law the leader of the country has immunity from prosecution and investigation in any way. He can not even be questioned in a French Court.

Oil for Food Investigation by FOX News.
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Immunity is valid only as long as he's in office. Also, the immunity law only applies nationally, within French borders, and not to places such as Belgium or Germany who have applicable international laws.

 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Good. I wonder when they'll be going after Chretien, Clinton, Chirac, and Annan? Surely they are on their list as well and this group isn't just a bunch of pissed-off, whining, liberal wackos? They can all easily be accused of war crimes and contravening international law.
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I wouldn't mind it.
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I wouldn't mind it either. Those responsible should pay for their crimes. Clinton bombed Serbia into the stone age and all the republicans could cry about was him getting a blow job.
I guess they like bombs, and don't like bjs.
 
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Good. I wonder when they'll be going after Chretien, Clinton, Chirac, and Annan? Surely they are on their list as well and this group isn't just a bunch of pissed-off, whining, liberal wackos? They can all easily be accused of war crimes and contravening international law.
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I wouldn't mind it.
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I wouldn't mind it either. Those responsible should pay for their crimes. Clinton bombed Serbia into the stone age and all the republicans could cry about was him getting a blow job.
I guess they like bombs, and don't like bjs.
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Well I didn't see the Democrats taking Clinton to task for bombing Serbia. I guess it's only Republican bombs they don't like? 😉

As far as the bj, it wasn't about liking knob-jobs or not. It was the bald-faced lie. I supported Clinton and thought he was a great Prez. But I didn't like him pointing his finger at my face on national TV and proclaiming "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...Monica Lewinky."

Now I'm sure one of the lemmings will show up shortly after I post this and attempt to demonstrate hypocrisy on my part by saying 'You accept Bush's lies but not Clintons?' So I'll head them of at the pass right now. Nobody has shown that Bush actually lied. He provided bad information, sure, lots of it. But not a single person has shown that Bush knew otherwise when he made his claims, and for much of it the truth was never provided until later on. Clinton knew otherwise when he made his claim as I seriously doubt he got blown without knowing it happened.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Good. I wonder when they'll be going after Chretien, Clinton, Chirac, and Annan? Surely they are on their list as well and this group isn't just a bunch of pissed-off, whining, liberal wackos? They can all easily be accused of war crimes and contravening international law.
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I wouldn't mind it.
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I wouldn't mind it either. Those responsible should pay for their crimes. Clinton bombed Serbia into the stone age and all the republicans could cry about was him getting a blow job.
I guess they like bombs, and don't like bjs.
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Well I didn't see the Democrats taking Clinton to task for bombing Serbia. I guess it's only Republican bombs they don't like? 😉

As far as the bj, it wasn't about liking knob-jobs or not. It was the bald-faced lie. I supported Clinton and thought he was a great Prez. But I didn't like him pointing his finger at my face on national TV and proclaiming "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...Monica Lewinky."

Now I'm sure one of the lemmings will show up shortly after I post this and attempt to demonstrate hypocrisy on my part by saying 'You accept Bush's lies but not Clintons?' So I'll head them of at the pass right now. Nobody has shown that Bush actually lied. He provided bad information, sure, lots of it. But not a single person has shown that Bush knew otherwise when he made his claims, and for much of it the truth was never provided until later on. Clinton knew otherwise when he made his claim as I seriously doubt he got blown without knowing it happened.
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I for one was screaming about Clinton's bombing of Serbia. But I'm not a democrat or a republican.
I didn't care as much about his lieing about getting some, since it seemed a personal thing that his wife should worry more about.

Starting from the premise that Bush didn't lie, but just provided bad information, I would still be pissed as hell that the president would provide such bad information over and over and over again. Doesn't seem to me like he's doing his job properly. But that's just starting from the premise that he didn't lie. Let's not get into the other discussion now.

 
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Good. I wonder when they'll be going after Chretien, Clinton, Chirac, and Annan? Surely they are on their list as well and this group isn't just a bunch of pissed-off, whining, liberal wackos? They can all easily be accused of war crimes and contravening international law.
Click to expand...

I wouldn't mind it.
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I wouldn't mind it either. Those responsible should pay for their crimes. Clinton bombed Serbia into the stone age and all the republicans could cry about was him getting a blow job.
I guess they like bombs, and don't like bjs.
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Well I didn't see the Democrats taking Clinton to task for bombing Serbia. I guess it's only Republican bombs they don't like? 😉

As far as the bj, it wasn't about liking knob-jobs or not. It was the bald-faced lie. I supported Clinton and thought he was a great Prez. But I didn't like him pointing his finger at my face on national TV and proclaiming "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...Monica Lewinky."

Now I'm sure one of the lemmings will show up shortly after I post this and attempt to demonstrate hypocrisy on my part by saying 'You accept Bush's lies but not Clintons?' So I'll head them of at the pass right now. Nobody has shown that Bush actually lied. He provided bad information, sure, lots of it. But not a single person has shown that Bush knew otherwise when he made his claims, and for much of it the truth was never provided until later on. Clinton knew otherwise when he made his claim as I seriously doubt he got blown without knowing it happened.
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I for one was screaming about Clinton's bombing of Serbia. But I'm not a democrat or a republican.
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Same here. As an Independent I didn't see the sense in boming Serbia.

I didn't care as much about his lieing about getting some, since it seemed a personal thing that his wife should worry more about.
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IF he'd have done it on the side somewhere away from the White House I'd agree with you. However, he did it in the Oval Ofice. It was done on company time and company property and as one of his many employers I didn't appreciate that one bit.

Starting from the premise that Bush didn't lie, but just provided bad information, I would still be pissed as hell that the president would provide such bad information over and over and over again. Doesn't seem to me like he's doing his job properly. But that's just starting from the premise that he didn't lie. Let's not get into the other discussion now.
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No problem.
 
The German federal prosecutor said in a statement it was up to the United States in the first instance to pursue legal action against the alleged perpetrators and their superiors.

German prosecutors could only step in if U.S. authorities failed to act, for which there was currently no evidence, the prosecutor added.
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Does this mean we can all now be proud about...
Photographs of U.S. soldiers tormenting naked detainees sent shockwaves around the world when they emerged in April, prompting claims that policies adopted for the so-called "war on terror" created an environment that allowed the breach of human rights enshrined in U.S. and international law.
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???

 
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