U.S. Fines Woman for Being 'Human Shield'

[Don Vito Corleone]

SARASOTA, Fla. Aug. 11 ?
A retired schoolteacher who went to Iraq to serve as a "human shield" against the U.S. invasion is facing thousands of dollars in U.S. government fines, which she is refusing to pay.

The U.S. Department of the Treasury said in a March letter to Faith Fippinger that she broke the law by crossing the Iraqi border before the war. Her travel to Iraq violated U.S. sanctions that prohibited American citizens from engaging in "virtually all direct or indirect commercial, financial or trade transactions with Iraq."

Read more here.

While I felt the human shield phenomenon was awfully silly, I think it is a little heavy-handed for the federal government to fine an individual in this situation - it is not as though she was engaged in business with Iraq for profit.

 

[conjur]

heh heh.

 

[PCMarine]

Serves her right for being such a dumbass

 

[amnesiac]

Why is it harsh? If she had gotten hurt or killed, a lawsuit would have definitely been filed against the government. She's lucky she didn't take a direct bomb blast. Dumb biatch.

 

[GoingUp]

they should have bombed her

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: amnesiac
Why is it harsh? If she had gotten hurt or killed, a lawsuit would have definitely been filed against the government. She's lucky she didn't take a direct bomb blast. Dumb biatch.

That's the sad truth!

 

[BooGiMaN]

i also read the article...if she refuses to pay they are gona dip in her check and social security...tsk tsk

 

[The Stigenator]

Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake..

She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian.

The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting...

Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake..

She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian.

The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting...

Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

If your knee jerked any harder it would sever itself from your body.

BTW, what was your stance on Jane Fonda?

 

[NogginBoink]

I think that's a tough charge to make stick. She should take 'em to court.

Now, if they wanted to charge her with treason, they could might be able to get a conviction.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake..

She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian.

The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting...

Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

They didn't ban her from protesting, they banned US citizens from visiting Iraq, same would have happened if she visited any other banned country.

As far as your Electoral College statement, yeah, that makes sense, let's have Los Angeles, NYC and Chicago decide the direction of this country. If you don't understand what I'm referring to then find yourself a map of the last election and see where votes came from.

 

[The Stigenator]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: The_good_guy Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake.. She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian. The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting... Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

If your knee jerked any harder it would sever itself from your body. BTW, what was your stance on Jane Fonda?

she did what she had to. I guess either my parents have too much greens when i was fetus (jk) or its just that I am liberal and see things in a different light.

Jane Fonda did something right. Her visiting a war torn nation which the united states was fighting with was right, and the fact that she didnt get charged was because if she was the nixon govt would have been in more trouble after all during the vietnam war public outcry was high and if a celeb get indictied it would have been a lot worse for the persons in command and thankfully nixon resigned from being president.

 

[conjur]

This map?

EDIT: BTW, that's a geocities link...click and drag.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake..

She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian.

The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting...

Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

Johnny Taliban exercised his right to protest and even bear arms.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

or in this case Don't do the crime if you can't pay the fine.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: The_good_guy Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake.. She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian. The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting... Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

If your knee jerked any harder it would sever itself from your body. BTW, what was your stance on Jane Fonda?

she did what she had to. I guess either my parents have too much greens when i was fetus (jk) or its just that I am liberal and see things in a different light.

Jane Fonda did something right. Her visiting a war torn nation which the united states was fighting with was right, and the fact that she didnt get charged was because if she was the nixon govt would have been in more trouble after all during the vietnam war public outcry was high and if a celeb get indictied it would have been a lot worse for the persons in command and thankfully nixon resigned from being president.

Try this guy's opinion of her on for size

Or perhaps this one

Oh, and Nixon's resignation had nothing to do with Vietnam, in case you'd forgotten or didn't know.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake..

She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian.

The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting...

Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

LOL

No American has the right to protest anywhere except in America. It is the law of each country that grants or prohibits that right. Sheesh.

Cuba is off limits not because of Castro or communism. Its because of the embargo placed on Cuba during the missile crisis. And while you can argue that the embargo involves Castro and communism, the point is the Cuban Missile Crisis is the reason.

Keep making statements like you have and people are going to think you are a 12 year old.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake..

She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian.

The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting...

Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

LOL

No American has the right to protest anywhere except in America. It is the law of each country that grants or prohibits that right. Sheesh.

Cuba is off limits not because of Castro or communism. Its because of the embargo placed on Cuba during the missile crisis. And while you can argue that the embargo involves Castro and communism, the point is the Cuban Missile Crisis is the reason.

Keep making statements like you have and people are going to think you are a 12 year old.

Too late!

 

[pennylane]

Interesting.

 

[The Stigenator]

yeah i know nixon didnt resign over vietnam, but what i meant is that the public outcry would have been a lot more worse for him with the included watergate stuff.

my thing is that the US is playing a dangerous game of dealing things with a two headed snake.. and it can have consequences.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Jane Fonda did something right. Her visiting a war torn nation which the united states was fighting with was right, and the fact that she didnt get charged was because if she was the nixon govt would have been in more trouble after all during the vietnam war public outcry was high and if a celeb get indictied it would have been a lot worse for the persons in command and thankfully nixon resigned from being president.

Go read a little bit more about what she did in Vietnam before you post such a retarded (and I mean that in the worst way) statement...

 

[Muck]

I wonder if Sean Penn got fined for visiting Iraq before the war.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: The_good_guy Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake.. She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian. The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting... Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

If your knee jerked any harder it would sever itself from your body. BTW, what was your stance on Jane Fonda?

she did what she had to. I guess either my parents have too much greens when i was fetus (jk) or its just that I am liberal and see things in a different light.

Jane Fonda did something right. Her visiting a war torn nation which the united states was fighting with was right, and the fact that she didnt get charged was because if she was the nixon govt would have been in more trouble after all during the vietnam war public outcry was high and if a celeb get indictied it would have been a lot worse for the persons in command and thankfully nixon resigned from being president.

WTF crack are you smoking? You must know nothing of Jane Fondas doing in Vietnam, go read the history about it before making yourself look like a dumbass.

 

[kaizersose]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: The_good_guy Stupid US policies..they are being a two headed snake.. She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US. The fact remains as an american citizen she can protest be it here or elsewhere, and while her noble cause did save some iraqi lives she wasnt there to protect saddam hussian. The US laws on stuff like cuba (you cant go to cuba because we have differences on political ideology). The United States of america is Acting like a 12 yr old with regards to its foriegn policies and some of its local policies also need revisiting... Get rid of Electoral College.. Its going to cause more headaches in the future..

If your knee jerked any harder it would sever itself from your body. BTW, what was your stance on Jane Fonda?

she did what she had to. I guess either my parents have too much greens when i was fetus (jk) or its just that I am liberal and see things in a different light.

Jane Fonda did something right. Her visiting a war torn nation which the united states was fighting with was right, and the fact that she didnt get charged was because if she was the nixon govt would have been in more trouble after all during the vietnam war public outcry was high and if a celeb get indictied it would have been a lot worse for the persons in command and thankfully nixon resigned from being president.

jane fonda's visit caused american POWs' to be tortured because they wouldnt perform in a pony show that the north vietnamese scheduled. this page details some of the lies about her visit, but also reinforces what actually did happen (http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399b.htm). i dont care what she believed or if she was right or wrong--what she did is blatantly wrong, backstabbing and cruel. imagine being one of those POW's and watching the guy who just finished beating you with bamboo go out and get a hug from jane fonda. she accomplished nothing but to increase the hardship of american POW's.

as far as i am concerned, they should not have let jane fonda or this "human shield" back into our country. the united states provides its citizens with the right to protest freely and say anything they like, but these people went out and put american lives in danger. if they disagree with our policy so fervently that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for it, they need to understand that they are no longer welcome here. i would encourage anyone who is against any decision made by our government to make the biggest, boldest sign they can and march through washington d.c., buy commercials on tv or write a letter to their comgressman or president. those are rights guaranteed to them by the laws of this country. however, should they choose to go to iraq (for example) to try to disrupt US military operations, they should be forced to give up their US passports and all other official documentation and be told they are not welcome back.

their is a right way and wrong way to go about any situation. jane fonda and this woman were merely in search of fame and glory.

edit: link working

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

While I felt the human shield phenomenon was awfully silly, I think it is a little heavy-handed for the federal government to fine an individual in this situation - it is not as though she was engaged in business with Iraq for profit.

She jeopardized both the war effort and possibly alternative peaceful negotiations. If she had been there when the bombing started, that would have been bad. If she and her other goodballs had not showed so much support to Saddam, we might have scared him to give up his WMD and throne in the first place.

U.S. can sue her billiions for all I care.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy

She is using her right to protest, like she does in the US.

She loes that "right" as soon as she leaves the U.S. Especially when she goes into a country where she's violating U.S. policy.