U.S. envoy warns of sanctions against Iran

rickn

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So would an attack on Iran be for America's safety or Israels? Last time I checked Israel was not a US state. Sometimes I actually wonder who pushes US policy -- Washington or Jerusalem.

Shalom repeated Israel's concern that Iran would destablize the region if it achieved nuclear weapons capability and called for international sanctions.

Israel's nuclear arsenal is already a destabilzing factor. If they want Iran to give up their nuclear aspirations, then Israel should stop expanding their warhead inventory.
 

Trente

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No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

Oh man, so Israel and the US have to face the music. They live by the sword, but weren't prepared to die by it. Mutually assured destruction only works when the other side isn't the one that's going to heaven. Hehe, well here's a news flash for you. Allah can take God any day and the people of REAL faith will prove it with their lives. Gosh, if only we had practiced love instead of intimidation through power. Maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc
 

Strk

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umm..... We already have sanctions on them limiting everything but the sale of rugs and dried fruit.
 

GrGr

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Well once Iran have nukes it is too late to do anything about it. Much like it is too late to do anything about Israel's or NJ's nukes.

Since the US is aiming to produce tactical nukes why shouldn't Iran be allowed to make their own nukes?
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:

Uh...illegal occupation of Palestinian territory anyone?
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:

Uh...illegal occupation of Palestinian territory anyone?

Uh...more than 77 people killed in one day by US attack in Iraq anyone?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:
Uh...illegal occupation of Palestinian territory anyone?

Uh...more than 77 people killed in one day by US attack in Iraq anyone?

Uh...non sequitur anyone?
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:
Uh...illegal occupation of Palestinian territory anyone?

Uh...more than 77 people killed in one day by US attack in Iraq anyone?

Uh...non sequitur anyone?

My point exactly!
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:


Like israel hasn't threanted to attack Iran if it counties to develop nukes. Like israel didn't attack Iraq.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:
Uh...illegal occupation of Palestinian territory anyone?

Uh...more than 77 people killed in one day by US attack in Iraq anyone?

Uh...non sequitur anyone?

My point exactly!

WTF?


Note the bolded parts above.



You don't think if Israel pulled out of the illegally occupied portions of Palestine that much of the hatred against the State of Israel would disappear?
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:
Uh...illegal occupation of Palestinian territory anyone?

Uh...more than 77 people killed in one day by US attack in Iraq anyone?

Uh...non sequitur anyone?

My point exactly!

WTF?


Note the bolded parts above.



You don't think if Israel pulled out of the illegally occupied portions of Palestine that much of the hatred against the State of Israel would disappear?

Iran doesn't give a damn about the palestinians. all they care about is provoking and "teasing" Israel by supporting its enemies. those happen to be their so-called "brothers"...but Iran couldn't care less for them.
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

no, you are wrong. How many countries has Iran attacked? They have never attacked Israel or any of their neighbors. And I don't think they would be foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against Israel.

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

Russia doesn't seem to have a problem with it, neither does Pakistan, China, Japan. etc

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel. Israel has never done ANYTHING bad to Iran accept for existing.

Just like people, countries too tend to ignore threats up untill they grow stronger and then its too late...

Nazi Germany throughout the 1930s anyone? :roll:


Like israel hasn't threanted to attack Iran if it counties to develop nukes. Like israel didn't attack Iraq.

Yes it did, you know why?

becasue...

Iran has a long history of threats aimed at Israel.

Iraq attacked Israel in the past wares many times before Israel took out the reactor and if it weren't for that action, you would have another NK in the ME right now.

I can't believe you are so blinded from the truth!
 

Klixxer

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I don't think that Iran should be allowed to have nukes, but OTOH i don't believe that Israel should be either.

I can understand Iran though, if they have nukes, the risk of what happened to Iraq happening to them is gone, and the threats of bombing from Israel would probably stop too.

AFAIC Israel should just shut up about this, they did pretty much the exact thing themselves.
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
I don't think that Iran should be allowed to have nukes, but OTOH i don't believe that Israel should be either.

I can understand Iran though, if they have nukes, the risk of what happened to Iraq happening to them is gone, and the threats of bombing from Israel would probably stop too.

AFAIC Israel should just shut up about this, they did pretty much the exact thing themselves.

I can't believe you are so blinded from the truth!
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: Klixxer
I don't think that Iran should be allowed to have nukes, but OTOH i don't believe that Israel should be either.

I can understand Iran though, if they have nukes, the risk of what happened to Iraq happening to them is gone, and the threats of bombing from Israel would probably stop too.

AFAIC Israel should just shut up about this, they did pretty much the exact thing themselves.

I can't believe you are so blinded from the truth!

The truth being what, exactly?
 

CWRMadcat

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: Klixxer
I don't think that Iran should be allowed to have nukes, but OTOH i don't believe that Israel should be either.

I can understand Iran though, if they have nukes, the risk of what happened to Iraq happening to them is gone, and the threats of bombing from Israel would probably stop too.

AFAIC Israel should just shut up about this, they did pretty much the exact thing themselves.

I can't believe you are so blinded from the truth!

The truth being what, exactly?

Yeah...was gonna ask the same thing, but you beat me to it.
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: Klixxer
I don't think that Iran should be allowed to have nukes, but OTOH i don't believe that Israel should be either.

I can understand Iran though, if they have nukes, the risk of what happened to Iraq happening to them is gone, and the threats of bombing from Israel would probably stop too.

AFAIC Israel should just shut up about this, they did pretty much the exact thing themselves.

I can't believe you are so blinded from the truth!

The truth being what, exactly?

The minute Israel gets rid of its nukes, it is doomed. the only thing that keeps "Chizballa" from firing rockets on northern Israel, that deters Iran, that keeps the Arab world from froming one military might intended to take it out once and for all is WMD. even the Israeli subs can carry nukes in case those on mainland are destroyed...Where the fvck do you live?

Oh, right, peaceful europe. :roll:
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: Klixxer
I don't think that Iran should be allowed to have nukes, but OTOH i don't believe that Israel should be either.

I can understand Iran though, if they have nukes, the risk of what happened to Iraq happening to them is gone, and the threats of bombing from Israel would probably stop too.

AFAIC Israel should just shut up about this, they did pretty much the exact thing themselves.

I can't believe you are so blinded from the truth!

The truth being what, exactly?

The minute Israel gets rid of its nukes, it is doomed. the only thing that keeps "Chizballa" from firing rockets on northern Israel, that deters Iran, that keeps the Arab world from froming one military might intended to take it out once and for all is WMD. even the Israeli subs can carry nukes in case those on mainland are destroyed...Where the fvck do you live?

Oh, right, peaceful europe. :roll:

I sincerely doubt that, Israel has enough conventional warfare power to do what they want in the region AND the backing of the worlds only superpower.

What is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Nuclear power works as a deterrent you say? You are looking at this from one side only.

Yeah, i live in peaceful Europe, so fvcking what? Don't assume you know anything about me because you don't.
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Trente
No, you are wrong...

It is the WORLD who can not accept a nuclear Iran, same case with NK.

You seem to list Israel and Iran in the same category. Israel will not use its nukes unless its very existance is at stake; the same can not be said about Iran, though.

Oh man, so Israel and the US have to face the music. They live by the sword, but weren't prepared to die by it. Mutually assured destruction only works when the other side isn't the one that's going to heaven. Hehe, well here's a news flash for you. Allah can take God any day and the people of REAL faith will prove it with their lives. Gosh, if only we had practiced love instead of intimidation through power. Maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.

you know moonbeam, whenever i read many of your posts, an old song comes to mind...i will quote a bit from it


"one toke over the line sweet jesus one toke over the line..."

;)