U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election

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Bitek

Lifer
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Wow, Talking about running around with your hair on fire. Post # 15 to 18 are a bit over the top. And you wonder why I don't take you guys seriously.

:rolleyes:

The pattern you exhibit, like this thread, where you ignore the uncomfortable facts and subject matter, only to complain and dismiss based on trivial issues is why you and many other conservatives are not taken seriously.

The house is on fire. Care to opine on anything other than the color of the drapes?
 

LurchFrinky

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Smoking gun found. There really is no argument against impeachment at this point. The Democrats need to force the GOP controlled Senate into a corner.
I think these impeachment inquiries are doing just that. They should keep going, but there is no need to rush to impeachment trial at this time.
 

fskimospy

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Republicans and Fox News are trying.

They are claiming there was no crime, meaning a criminal justice code. High crimes with impeachment are violations of public trust

You mean the criminal justice code where Republicans claim he can’t be prosecuted or even indicted so there’s no way to prove a crime?

Man that sure is convenient.
 

Commodus

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Wow, Talking about running around with your hair on fire. Post # 15 to 18 are a bit over the top. And you wonder why I don't take you guys seriously.

:rolleyes:

Hyperbole notwithstanding, there are a lot of Americans who will genuinely defend anything and everything Trump does. Few if any will be violent if Trump is impeached, but it is pretty clear that they see any attempt to hold Trump accountable for his actions as a "betrayal." Slavish devotion like that doesn't exactly contribute to a peaceful political environment.
 
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fskimospy

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Hell the administration claims he can't even be investigated. LOL

Specifically that Congress can’t investigate him for crimes as that’s a ‘law enforcement function’! So the only way he merits impeachment is by proving a crime you aren’t allowed to prove. Lol.

True doublethink.
 
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Homerboy

Lifer
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Send Trump and family to jail.

Imprison all his lackies and supporters that refuse to see justice done. We can release all those in prison for drug offenses and petty theft. ...that should clear up enough room for the real criminals threatening this country in the age of Trump Cultism.

Interesting thought - if Trump is impeached, what happens to Ivanka's and Jared's positions?
 

brycejones

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Specifically that Congress can’t investigate him for crimes as that’s a ‘law enforcement function’! So the only way he merits impeachment is by proving a crime you aren’t allowed to prove. Lol.

True doublethink.

Actually it is being used as an argument against NY's request for tax returns for a state investigation. Their position is while in office the President can't be investigated at all by anyone.
 

GoPackGo

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Actually it is being used as an argument against NY's request for tax returns for a state investigation. Their position is while in office the President can't be investigated at all by anyone.

The court of appeals is hearing that today.
 
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Smoking gun found. There really is no argument against impeachment at this point. The Democrats need to force the GOP controlled Senate into a corner.

They’re still doing it wrong. They need to learn from BENGHAZI!!!! & Her emails, these hearings need to be public.
Only hardcore news nerds follow this right now. Get public video testimony in the news and social media
 
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interchange

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quid pro quo is not really the standard. That's the goalpost shift by Trump. Let's not fall for it.

Just asking for foreign interference was the problem, regardless of threats or promises.

The "quos" are just piling on of impeachable offenses and misdeeds.

True, but I think more critical is linking the whole scheme with Trump's explicit direction with clear awareness that he was receiving something of benefit personally unconnected to US interests. The payoff being public announcement of the investigation is the most damning part of this.

Republicans and Fox News are trying.

They are claiming there was no crime, meaning a criminal justice code. High crimes with impeachment are violations of public trust

Foreign election interference, obstruction of justice, witness tampering. There are plenty of statutory crimes.
 
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SMOGZINN

Lifer
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They’re still doing it wrong. They need to learn from BENGHAZI!!!! & Her emails, these hearings need to be public.
Only hardcore news nerds follow this right now. Get public video testimony in the news and social media

The trouble is there is that at any of these hearings there are going to be a lot of sensitive information discussed, and the Democrats still care about he country more then winning.
 

zinfamous

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Wow, Talking about running around with your hair on fire. Post # 15 to 18 are a bit over the top. And you wonder why I don't take you guys seriously.

:rolleyes:

So, are you denying that Trump Zealots have murdered (and many attempted murders) on his behalf, yet?
 
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Fenixgoon

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So, are you denying that Trump Zealots have murdered (and many attempted murders) on his behalf, yet?

don't forget trum encouraging those fine 2nd amendment people...

"Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish, the Second Amendment. By the way, and if she gets to pick --if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."
 

cytg111

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True, but I think more critical is linking the whole scheme with Trump's explicit direction with clear awareness that he was receiving something of benefit personally unconnected to US interests. The payoff being public announcement of the investigation is the most damning part of this.



Foreign election interference, obstruction of justice, witness tampering. There are plenty of statutory crimes.

Hahahaha wait till you get a load of this


Its the actual 5th Avenue.

The lawyer, William Consovoy, was responding to a question by Judge Denny Chin of the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, who asked, “What’s your view on the 5th Avenue example? Local authorities couldn’t investigate? They couldn’t do anything about it?”
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“I think once the president is removed from office, any local authority — This is not a permanent immunity,” Consovoy said.
“Well, I’m talking about while in office,” Judge Chin continued.
“No,” Consovoy interrupted.
“That’s the hypo[thetical]. Nothing could be done — that’s your position?” the judge pressed.
“That is correct. That is correct,” Consovoy responded.
 
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UNCjigga

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Apparently there is currently a standoff occurring outside the SCIF where some documents/testimony is to be reviewed today--House Republicans not on the committee were attempting to gain access, and now have brought cell phones into the SCIF??

Edit: Apparently Matt Gaetz attempted to storm the SCIF during Laura Cooper's deposition--and was attempting to record it/livestream it on his cellphone.
 
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interchange

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Hahahaha wait till you get a load of this


Its the actual 5th Avenue.

The lawyer, William Consovoy, was responding to a question by Judge Denny Chin of the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, who asked, “What’s your view on the 5th Avenue example? Local authorities couldn’t investigate? They couldn’t do anything about it?”
Story Continued Below
“I think once the president is removed from office, any local authority — This is not a permanent immunity,” Consovoy said.
“Well, I’m talking about while in office,” Judge Chin continued.
“No,” Consovoy interrupted.
“That’s the hypo[thetical]. Nothing could be done — that’s your position?” the judge pressed.
“That is correct. That is correct,” Consovoy responded.

Any crimes with a statue of limitations less than 4 years? A President could have some fun.
 

SMOGZINN

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Hahahaha wait till you get a load of this


Its the actual 5th Avenue.

The lawyer, William Consovoy, was responding to a question by Judge Denny Chin of the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, who asked, “What’s your view on the 5th Avenue example? Local authorities couldn’t investigate? They couldn’t do anything about it?”
Story Continued Below
“I think once the president is removed from office, any local authority — This is not a permanent immunity,” Consovoy said.
“Well, I’m talking about while in office,” Judge Chin continued.
“No,” Consovoy interrupted.
“That’s the hypo[thetical]. Nothing could be done — that’s your position?” the judge pressed.
“That is correct. That is correct,” Consovoy responded.

It seems pretty obvious that the courts are not going to accept such a extreme view of Presidential immunity. Any sane court will come back with a ruling that our Constitution was specifically set up to prevent one person from having this much power. That the Founding Fathers were crystal clear that a President is not a king and is not above the law, even temporarily.
 

Sunburn74

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It seems pretty obvious that the courts are not going to accept such a extreme view of Presidential immunity. Any sane court will come back with a ruling that our Constitution was specifically set up to prevent one person from having this much power. That the Founding Fathers were crystal clear that a President is not a king and is not above the law, even temporarily.
It's an insane argument.
Congress can remove for presidential crimes they hear about.
Crimes can never be heard about because they cannot be investigated whilst in office.

Basically they are saying if trump shoots someone, the local cops are not allowed to investigate the scene to gather data to present to Congress or other bodies. They have to wait till he is out of office to begin surveiling the murder scene?
 
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