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U.S. debtors prisons return - jailing those that can't pay

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dmcowen674

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4-24-2012

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/florida-man-charged-felony-allegedly-stealing-1-cup-002830215--abc-news-topstories.html

Florida Man Charged With Felony for Allegedly Stealing $1 Cup of Soda From McDonald's


A Florida man was arrested and held on $6,500 bond after police in Collier County said he left a McDonald's without paying for a cup of soda valued at $1.

Mark Abaire, 52, had apparently asked staff at the Naples restaurant for a courtesy cup of water, but instead he allegedly filled the cup with soda from the soda fountain.

Abaire could face five years in prison if he is convicted of the felony.




4-24-2012

Jailed for $280: The Return of Debtors' Prisons

Jailed for $280: The Return of Debtors' Prisons




How did breast cancer survivor Lisa Lindsay end up behind bars? She didn't pay a medical bill -- one the Herrin, Ill., teaching assistant was told she didn't owe. "She got a $280 medical bill in error and was told she didn't have to pay it," The Associated Press reports. "But the bill was turned over to a collection agency, and eventually state troopers showed up at her home and took her to jail in handcuffs."

Although the U.S. abolished debtors' prisons in the 1830s, more than a third of U.S. states allow the police to haul people in who don't pay all manner of debts, from bills for health care services to credit card and auto loans. In parts of Illinois, debt collectors commonly use publicly funded courts, sheriff's deputies, and country jails to pressure people who owe even small amounts to pay up, according to the AP.

Under the law, debtors aren't arrested for nonpayment, but rather for failing to respond to court hearings, pay legal fines, or otherwise showing "contempt of court" in connection with a creditor lawsuit.

"Creditors have been manipulating the court system to extract money from the unemployed, veterans, even seniors who rely solely on their benefits to get by each month," Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan said last month in a statement voicing support for the legislation. "Too many people have been thrown in jail simply because they're too poor to pay their debts. We cannot allow these illegal abuses to continue."

According to the ACLU: "The sad truth is that debtors' prisons are flourishing today, more than two decades after the Supreme Court prohibited imprisoning those who are too poor to pay their legal debts. In this era of shrinking budgets, state and local governments have turned aggressively to using the threat and reality of imprisonment to squeeze revenue out of the poorest defendants who appear in their courts."

Some states also apply "poverty penalties," including late fees, payment plan fees, and interest when people are unable to pay all their debts at once.

Alabama charges a 30 percent collection fee, for instance, while Florida allows private debt collectors to add a 40 percent surcharge on the original debt. Some Florida counties also use so-called collection courts, where debtors can be jailed but have no right to a public defender.
 
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woolfe9999

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Sob story. She disobeyed a subpoena for a debtor's exam, which is basically the only way you go to jail in a situation like that. If you don't want to go to jail, don't disobey the subpoena. You can go to jail for disobeying a court order regardless of whether a debt is involved or not. Relating this to the concept of "debtor's prison" in any way, shape or form is ridiculous.
 

drebo

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Not sure what breast cancer has to do with this. Why is it even mentioned?

Also, mistakes are mistakes. Collection agency and hospital should pay for the mistake civally (fines) and it should be forgotten.
 

Jaskalas

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Illinois, Obama's home of corrupt tyranny. Democrats should be proud of running that state.

Video tape the police arresting her and you can spend the rest of your life behind bars. *edit, okay, only 4 to 15 years in prison.
 
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dmcowen674

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/florida-man-charged-felony-allegedly-stealing-1-cup-002830215--abc-news-topstories.html

Florida Man Charged With Felony for Allegedly Stealing $1 Cup of Soda From McDonald's


A Florida man was arrested and held on $6,500 bond after police in Collier County said he left a McDonald's without paying for a cup of soda valued at $1.

Mark Abaire, 52, had apparently asked staff at the Naples restaurant for a courtesy cup of water, but instead he allegedly filled the cup with soda from the soda fountain.

Abaire could face five years in prison if he is convicted of the felony.
 

nehalem256

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4-24-2012

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/florida-man-charged-felony-allegedly-stealing-1-cup-002830215--abc-news-topstories.html

Florida Man Charged With Felony for Allegedly Stealing $1 Cup of Soda From McDonald's


A Florida man was arrested and held on $6,500 bond after police in Collier County said he left a McDonald's without paying for a cup of soda valued at $1.

Mark Abaire, 52, had apparently asked staff at the Naples restaurant for a courtesy cup of water, but instead he allegedly filled the cup with soda from the soda fountain.

Abaire could face five years in prison if he is convicted of the felony.
"Abaire allegedly refused to pay for the soda when he was asked to do so, refused to leave the restaurant and cursed at the manager, the Naples Daily News also reported."

So, in your view it is ok to steal. The when confronted with the fact and asked to make it right instead throw a temper tantrum?
 

PokerGuy

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There are no debtors prisons as nobody is going to jail simply for being unable to pay a bill. They are going to jail for failing to obey a subpoena, or for theft, or for public disturbance etc. Fail thread is fail, par for the course for OP.
 

EagleKeeper

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4-24-2012

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/florida-man-charged-felony-allegedly-stealing-1-cup-002830215--abc-news-topstories.html

Florida Man Charged With Felony for Allegedly Stealing $1 Cup of Soda From McDonald's


A Florida man was arrested and held on $6,500 bond after police in Collier County said he left a McDonald's without paying for a cup of soda valued at $1.

Mark Abaire, 52, had apparently asked staff at the Naples restaurant for a courtesy cup of water, but instead he allegedly filled the cup with soda from the soda fountain.

Abaire could face five years in prison if he is convicted of the felony.
"Abaire allegedly refused to pay for the soda when he was asked to do so, refused to leave the restaurant and cursed at the manager, the Naples Daily News also reported."

So, in your view it is ok to steal. The when confronted with the fact and asked to make it right instead throw a temper tantrum?
OK to steal as long as it is not from Dave :colbert:
 

Thump553

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Your first story, about the disorderly drunk in Florida, has absolutely nothing to do with alleged debtor's prisons. Your second story was more than adequately discussed in the OT thread on the same subject. As Wolf pointed out, any jail time she is facing is for contempt for failure to obey a court order to appear.

Debtors' prisons not found. Repost found.
 

CycloWizard

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"Abaire allegedly refused to pay for the soda when he was asked to do so, refused to leave the restaurant and cursed at the manager, the Naples Daily News also reported."

So, in your view it is ok to steal. The when confronted with the fact and asked to make it right instead throw a temper tantrum?
Many people no longer believe in the right to property. McDonald's is a large corporation and should therefore be obliged to give this guy his "fair share." This is the new American mentality. I'm glad I live in Texas where I can still protect my property from anyone who comes on my property and tries to live out their concept of the New American Dream.
 

IndyColtsFan

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"Abaire allegedly refused to pay for the soda when he was asked to do so, refused to leave the restaurant and cursed at the manager, the Naples Daily News also reported."

So, in your view it is ok to steal. The when confronted with the fact and asked to make it right instead throw a temper tantrum?
There's a shock -- Dave leaving out some key details from the article.
 

nehalem256

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There's a shock -- Dave leaving out some key details from the article.
It seems more likely that he does not find it to be a key detail.

Similar to how liberals will refer to illegal immigrants as immigrants, because they do not think the fact that they are in the country illegally is relevant.
 

Throckmorton

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Once the individual mandate kicks in a lot of poor people will be going to jail for not being able to buy health insurance or pay the fine. Then they'll at least have health coverage though.
 
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OCGuy

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Another fail thread by the retarded OP.

The first link is for theft.

The corrupt Leftist state knows as Illinois is the only one pushing the debtors prison hard. And that will be over shortly.
 

hal2kilo

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debtor's work camps imo

can't pay your debt? work it off on a road crew for a year.
Oh cool, that's so Dicksonian. Yea, let's go back to the days of work homes for orphans, and poor farms. Can I have some more?
 

HamburgerBoy

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Oh cool, that's so Dicksonian. Yea, let's go back to the days of work homes for orphans, and poor farms. Can I have some more?
Oh cool, let's let people borrow and steal as much as possible and have no legal system in which to make them pay back.</counter hyperbole>
 

halik

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Sob story. She disobeyed a subpoena for a debtor's exam, which is basically the only way you go to jail in a situation like that. If you don't want to go to jail, don't disobey the subpoena. You can go to jail for disobeying a court order regardless of whether a debt is involved or not. Relating this to the concept of "debtor's prison" in any way, shape or form is ridiculous.
Retarded hyperbole in a mcowned thread? You don't say...
 

CycloWizard

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Once the individual mandate kicks in a lot of poor people will be going to jail for not being able to buy health insurance or pay the fine. Then they'll at least have health coverage though.
Except that violation is only punishable by fine, not imprisonment. Those with income below some arbitrary threshold will also not be subjected to the mandate and will continue getting everything for free. As usual, the people who make just above that threshold will be getting screwed from both ends.
 

piasabird

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It is not a fine, it is a penalty. Anyway in June, the Supremes are suppose to announce their ruling. I say this fine or penalty will never see the light of day! There are an awful lot of people who just choose not to have health insurance that can afford it, but choose not to spend the money.
 
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