U.S. completely screws up Gitmo case.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.../us_guantanamo_release

Judge orders Guantanamo detainee freed

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer ? 2 hrs 12 mins ago

WASHINGTON ? The discovery of suicide martyr videos seemed certain proof that Abd al Rahim Abdul Rassak was part of al-Qaida. A closer look at his video, though, showed he was actually being tortured by al-Qaida.

The confusion over the video collection found in an al-Qaida safehouse is one of the stranger twists in the unusual case of Rassak, a Guantanamo detainee. On Monday, a federal judge ordered Rassak released, chastising the government for claiming he was still part of the same terror network that tortured, imprisoned and abandoned him.

U.S. District Judge Richard Leon emphatically rejected the government's claims against Rassak, even going so far as to add punctuation to get his point across.

Federal prosecutors had argued that even though Rassak was tortured by al-Qaida as a suspected Western spy and imprisoned by the Taliban for a year and a half, he still maintained some kind of allegiance to his tormentors.

"I disagree!" wrote the judge, adding that U.S. officials are "taking a position that defies common sense."

The judge said the government and the U.S. media initially mistook Rassak as one of a number of suicide martyrs, based on a videotape captured at an al-Qaida safehouse. Further investigation found the tape actually showed al-Qaida torturing him.

In a 13-page written decision, the judge heaped scorn on the suggestion that Rassak could be part of the same terrorist organizations that had abused him.

Rassak, a Syrian, had admitted to U.S. interrogators that in 2000, he stayed for several days at a guesthouse used by Taliban and al-Qaida fighters, where he helped clean weapons, and then briefly attended a terror training camp.

"There is no evidence ? from either side ? as to why he suddenly was suspected by al-Qaida leaders of spying and was tortured for months into giving a false confession," Leon wrote. "It is highly unlikely that by that point in time al-Qaida (or the Taliban) had any trust or confidence in him. Surely extreme treatment of that nature evinces a total evisceration of whatever relationship might have existed!"

One of the detainee's lawyers, Steven Wax, said the judge's decision "is yet another reminder that there are innocent men in Guantanamo."

Wax said his client "was conscripted by the Taliban and, when he wanted to leave, was imprisoned and then subjected to barbaric torture. He was imprisoned by the United States when he tried to provide information to us about his torturers."

Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said it was reviewing the judge's ruling.

Since his captivity at Guantanamo, Rassak has adopted a different last name, Janko.

There are 229 detainees still held at the U.S. military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. President Barack Obama ordered the detention center closed by early next year.




Nothing can be said except, "Oops"
I am still so shocked I can't think of what to add. But this is such an amazing story I wanted to get it posted.
Though I do feel this line needs to be explained:
"Further investigation found the tape actually showed al-Qaida torturing him"


Cue the apologists....
 

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Gitmo is fail. If this is right the guy should be given compensation for being fvcked by the US gov.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gitmo is fail. If this is right the guy should be given compensation for being fvcked by the US gov.

Um no. The most compensation he should get is a pat on the back and a sincere apology.
 

surfsatwerk

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gitmo is fail. If this is right the guy should be given compensation for being fvcked by the US gov.

Um no. The most compensation he should get is a pat on the back and a sincere apology.

Um this isn't backing into some guys car at the mall. The US gov sent the dude down to Gitmo to rot. If the US gov won't hold itself accountable for its mistakes then who's going to respect us?
 

eits

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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gitmo is fail. If this is right the guy should be given compensation for being fvcked by the US gov.

Um no. The most compensation he should get is a pat on the back and a sincere apology.

Um this isn't backing into some guys car at the mall. The US gov sent the dude down to Gitmo to rot. If the US gov won't hold itself accountable for its mistakes then who's going to respect us?

this.
 

DerekWilson

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gitmo is fail. If this is right the guy should be given compensation for being fvcked by the US gov.

Um no. The most compensation he should get is a pat on the back and a sincere apology.

Um this isn't backing into some guys car at the mall. The US gov sent the dude down to Gitmo to rot. If the US gov won't hold itself accountable for its mistakes then who's going to respect us?

this.

it's too late to worry about that, they already don't respect us. we do shit like this combined with going into other people's countries and starting "wars" that aren't wars for no justifiable reason, in addition to heavily hampering the foreign policy of some countries using thinly veiled threats and huge piles of money that they can't have if they do something we don't like. all this shit is the reason we were attacked on 9/11 ... it's not because people hate freedom, it's because we let our country be the biggest bully on the block.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gitmo is fail. If this is right the guy should be given compensation for being fvcked by the US gov.

Um no. The most compensation he should get is a pat on the back and a sincere apology.

Um this isn't backing into some guys car at the mall. The US gov sent the dude down to Gitmo to rot. If the US gov won't hold itself accountable for its mistakes then who's going to respect us?

this.

No, you do not hold yourself accountable to gain the respect of others. You hold yourself accountable to maintain your own self respect. Virtue, folks mock, is it's only reward, because they fail, having none themselves, to know or understand what a trememdous reward virtue really is. He who does what is right for a reward is not doing right at all but seeking to fill empty needs, needs that even when filled leave one empty. Nothing can be kept from he who does right for its own sake.
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gitmo is fail. If this is right the guy should be given compensation for being fvcked by the US gov.

Um no. The most compensation he should get is a pat on the back and a sincere apology.

So if you got picked up for being a terrorist at random one day, were separated from your family for years and locked up in a Cuban prison, you'd be ok with a pat on the back and a "we're sorry"?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: DerekWilson
it's too late to worry about that, they already don't respect us. we do shit like this combined with going into other people's countries and starting "wars" that aren't wars for no justifiable reason, in addition to heavily hampering the foreign policy of some countries using thinly veiled threats and huge piles of money that they can't have if they do something we don't like. all this shit is the reason we were attacked on 9/11 ... it's not because people hate freedom, it's because we let our country be the biggest bully on the block.

While agreeing with your overall post, there are two reasons we were attacked on 9/11.

(One is not 'they hate us for uor freedoms').

1. To stimulate Muslims to believe that if they get active and unite, they can win victories against the seemingly all-powerful US.

2. To provoke the US to overreact and take action in the Middle East that will cause a backlash among Muslims, creating many new recruits for Al Queda.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: CoachB
Someboby's got to be the bully. Glad it is us...beats the alternative!;)

The alternative isn't Al Queda dominating the US, it's peace for all. No, it's not better.
 

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Ok, I was trying for a bit of humor but I see some people have a problem with stress relief. Maybe I should have included a big clown face instead of a wink so people would KNOW I'm joking.
There ARE a couple of interesting facts in the original post. The dude in question stayed at a Taliban guesthouse, cleaned weapons while there, and attended a terrorist training camp for a brief time (by his own admission). I could see where someone MIGHT mistake him for a terrorist. What is that saying...your known by the company you keep!?
How about a pat on the back, a sincere apology, AND A "HOPE YOU LEARNED A LESSON".
 

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Originally posted by: CoachB
Ok, I was trying for a bit of humor but I see some people have a problem with stress relief. Maybe I should have included a big clown face instead of a wink so people would KNOW I'm joking.
There ARE a couple of interesting facts in the original post. The dude in question stayed at a Taliban guesthouse, cleaned weapons while there, and attended a terrorist training camp for a brief time (by his own admission). I could see where someone MIGHT mistake him for a terrorist. What is that saying...your known by the company you keep!?
How about a pat on the back, a sincere apology, AND A "HOPE YOU LEARNED A LESSON".

The guy was persecuted by one of the most ruthless, inhumane countries on earth, China, and he went to the ONLY people who said they would help him fight the tyrants.
Where else could he have gone?
To the country that prides itself on its belief in the rights of man, democracy and decency?
FYI the US is supporting those monsters. Just yesterday a proud American company, Google, agreed to help China keep its citizens from the truth. And US companies are helping the Chinese police create databases of their political enemies.
Sort of like IBM helping the Nazis.
And, apparently, when he found out what type of people the Taliban were he tried to leave.
 

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Originally posted by: CoachB
Ok, I was trying for a bit of humor but I see some people have a problem with stress relief. Maybe I should have included a big clown face instead of a wink so people would KNOW I'm joking.
There ARE a couple of interesting facts in the original post. The dude in question stayed at a Taliban guesthouse, cleaned weapons while there, and attended a terrorist training camp for a brief time (by his own admission). I could see where someone MIGHT mistake him for a terrorist. What is that saying...your known by the company you keep!?
How about a pat on the back, a sincere apology, AND A "HOPE YOU LEARNED A LESSON".

At that time Taliban != Alqaeda

Infact at that point the taliban ambassador was touring the US for the whole pipeline business.

Now obviously US/PAK has made Taliban = Al Qaeda
 

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Al Qa'ida and the Taliban are torturing people?!? :Q

Thank you for bringing this very serious issue to light. The Taliban and AQ must be stopped NOW!!! Torture is totally and completely unacceptable! :|
 
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