U.S. Cars Rise in Reliability Ratings

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U.S. Cars Rise in Reliability Ratings
By SARAH KARUSH, Associated Press Writer
7 HOURS AGO

DETROIT - Ford's new Fusion model earned high marks from both Consumer Reports testers and consumers who rated its reliability, the magazine said in its 2007 new car preview, showing that U.S. automakers may be making strides in initial quality.

Asian automakers once again dominated the closely watched reliability ratings, but U.S. automakers are steadily improving, David Champion, senior director of automotive testing for Consumer Reports, said Thursday.

"You're almost chasing a moving target," said Champion, who presented the findings from the magazine's annual reliability survey and testing in Detroit. "The quality of cars has improved dramatically."

The Fusion and the Mercury Milan were among the top-ranked family cars for predicted reliability, on par with the Honda Accord and the Toyota Camry. The magazine bases its reliability forecasts on information provided by consumers for the past three model years. In the case of the Fusion and the Milan, the rating is based on only one model year because the vehicles were new for 2006.

Overall, Japanese automakers had 39 of the 47 vehicles with the best predicted reliability. U.S. manufacturers had six, including the Fusion, the Milan and the Lincoln Zephyr _ all from Ford Motor Co.

General Motors Corp. did well in large sport utility vehicles, earning top ratings for their Chevrolet Tahoe and the GMC Yukon, again based on one year of surveys because the trucks were redesigned. GM's Pontiac Vibe wagon was another top-scorer.

Champion said the key for Ford and GM will be maintaining the success in the coming years.

"It's that last year that (a consumer) owns the car that's probably most important in terms of reliability," he said. "If it's been pretty reliable over the first three years and then the fourth, fifth and sixth year it's dropped apart, he's not going to buy another one."

Consumer Reports sends the auto reliability survey to print and online subscribers. Some 950,000 people responded this year, providing answers on about 1.3 million vehicles.

The survey results appear in the magazine's new car preview special edition, which is sold at newsstands. A more comprehensive analysis of the data will be published in the magazine's April issue.

Consumer Reports also listed the Fusion among the new or redesigned vehicles that most impressed its testers, saying its smooth ride and good handling made it feel "like a much more expensive European car."

Champion said the Hyundai Azera sedan was another pleasant surprise and praised it as "very comfortable, very quiet," with a good price, though he said fuel economy was not a strong point. Other hits among new or redesigned vehicles were the Kia Sedona and the Mazda5.

Among the biggest disappointments was the Dodge Caliber crossover, the magazine said, calling its acceleration sluggish, its fuel economy unimpressive and its interior cheap. The magazine said "many of the same low-quality components" in the Caliber are being used in other DaimlerChrysler AG products.

The magazine also criticized the Subaru B9 Tribeca, the Mitsubishi Eclipse and the Pontiac Solstice.

Speaking of the Solstice, a two-seat roadster, Champion cited a lot of little flaws.

"There is no place to put your cell phone," he said. "The cup holders are behind you, so every time you try and take a drink, you spill your drink."

 

notfred

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How exactly do you rate the reliability of a brand new car? Any car that's breaking down in the first year *at all* should be off the list for reliability.
 

yllus

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The Ford Fusion is pretty sexy for a car in its class.
 

LordMorpheus

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go FoMoCo!

Give us a sweet new Town Car, and make sure it's RWD.

Also, bring back the Continental, but not the '90's thing. Bring it back to it's glory days from the'60s!
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: notfred
How exactly do you rate the reliability of a brand new car? Any car that's breaking down in the first year *at all* should be off the list for reliability.
QFT
 

AdamK47

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It's Consumer Reports. What do they know? I heard from an insider that they took money under the table from Toyota. Shhhhhh...
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: notfred
How exactly do you rate the reliability of a brand new car? Any car that's breaking down in the first year *at all* should be off the list for reliability.

Exactly what I was thinking which is why I really resent computer hardware reviews, the only rate initial quality but don't attempt to see how the actual quality from that manufacturer is after a few years of use.

I'd be nice if reviews would do an initial review and then a review a few years down the road, may seem pointless since it's outdated stuff but it wouldn't be because it would show which manufacturers survived and which didn't.
 

SVT Cobra

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Duh, the whole Japanese cars are better than American ones hasn't been true since the 90's. Only after this generation is gone will the myth also deminish. Unfortunately movies like the Fast and The Furious get the new generation interested also.

Personally I hate Japanese cars, and I own a 2001 Kia. ;)

Now European cars on the other hand...


Either way...Let the fanboys begin their flaming.
 

SVT Cobra

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: notfred
How exactly do you rate the reliability of a brand new car? Any car that's breaking down in the first year *at all* should be off the list for reliability.

Exactly what I was thinking which is why I really resent computer hardware reviews, the only rate initial quality but don't attempt to see how the actual quality from that manufacturer is after a few years of use.

I'd be nice if reviews would do an initial review and then a review a few years down the road, may seem pointless since it's outdated stuff but it wouldn't be because it would show which manufacturers survived and which didn't.

Look at the amount of 1988 Lincoln towncars on the road with more than 300,000 miles, you don't need consumer reports to tell you something there. (You don't actually notice the amount until you've owned one).
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Duh, the whole Japanese cars are better than American ones hasn't been true since the 90's. Only after this generation is gone will the myth also deminish. Unfortunately movies like the Fast and The Furious get the new generation interested also.

Personally I hate Japanese cars, and I own a 2001 Kia. ;)

Now European cars on the other hand...


Either way...Let the fanboys begin their flaming.

Shows how much you know, KIA is not a japanese car.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Duh, the whole Japanese cars are better than American ones hasn't been true since the 90's. Only after this generation is gone will the myth also deminish. Unfortunately movies like the Fast and The Furious get the new generation interested also.

Personally I hate Japanese cars, and I own a 2001 Kia. ;)

Now European cars on the other hand...


Either way...Let the fanboys begin their flaming.

Shows how much you know, KIA is not a japanese car.

self ownage! :D
 

Armitage

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Originally posted by: notfred
How exactly do you rate the reliability of a brand new car? Any car that's breaking down in the first year *at all* should be off the list for reliability.

Exactly - I expect a new car to be perfectly reliable for at least the first 2 or 3 years. As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't even be talking about reliability before 75K miles - anything less is initial quality.
 

TheSlamma

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predicted reliability

I predict I'll stick with Honda Toyo and see how well these predictions turn out... maybe they will be like the last 3 years superbowl predictions ;)
 

Vette73

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Consumer Reports

I stopped reading after that.

Their "ratings" are based on opinions and surveys that are not scientific. Those surveyed have to be paid subscribers to their magazine. That right there breaks the first rule of taking surveys. A true survey must have an open sample that has a equal chance as any one else of getting picked.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Consumer Reports

I stopped reading after that.

Their "ratings" are based on opinions and surveys that are not scientific. Those surveyed have to be paid subscribers to their magazine. That right there breaks the first rule of taking surveys. A true survey must have an open sample that has a equal chance as any one else of getting picked.

well their ratings match depreciation values pretty well from what i remember. so its not based on nothing.
 

OS

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heh, dohmestic fanboys are the first to rip CR as being full of sh*t so let see if anyone backpedals.
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: Horus
The fusion IS a Japanese car. It's the Mazda6. No wonder it's good.

Ignorant.
Mazda 6 platform, yes. But there are tons of exclusive Ford parts.. They even redesigned the floorpans and firewall to stretch it by a few.
It's like saying the Mustang is a LS.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Duh, the whole Japanese cars are better than American ones hasn't been true since the 90's. Only after this generation is gone will the myth also deminish. Unfortunately movies like the Fast and The Furious get the new generation interested also.

Personally I hate Japanese cars, and I own a 2001 Kia. ;)

Now European cars on the other hand...


Either way...Let the fanboys begin their flaming.

Hence, the name SVT Cobra?