U.N. panel criticizes deportation of illegals

[Schadenfroh]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE67Q0ZC

"We understand that a state has a right and a responsibility to deal with security issues and issues of illegal immigration. But our view is when you are doing so, it should not be on a collective basis, you should not be targeting a group as a whole," said Pierre-Richard Prosper, vice-chairman of the U.N. Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD).

Seems as if their primary concern is that they are focusing mostly on gypsies at the moment. Surprised this same panel has not complained about the US specifically targeting Hispanics (although we do not have an official policy of doing so, AFAIK). As many of you likely know, France has launched a crackdown on illegal gypsy immigrants. They have started to dismantle their camps and are sending them on planes back to Romania (even paying them a bonus if they come willingly).

It appears that this crackdown started as a result of an attack on a police station.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ces-illegal-Gipsy-camps-to-be-dismantled.html

attacked a police station with axes in Saint-Aignan, central France last week, damaged other buildings and burned cars after police shot dead a gipsy when he allegedly rammed them in his car.

France should tell the U.N. to kiss it. A plane ticket and a check for a few hundred bucks is being generous for violating French law, IMO.

I am not familiar with illegal immigration problems in France, do Gypsies make up the largest group of illegal immigrants?

 

[piasabird]

The people in the UN dont have to live in a town on our southern border. They have not skin in the game and it is like north korea is criticizing some country with freedom.

 

[Jaskalas]

Those who enter a country and do not assimilate are a great concern to nations. Balkanization has been witnessed in modern history and everyone has a right to guard against this.

Even if loyalties were of no concern, resources are. Growth cannot be infinite within a finite space and yet immigration is the chief source of a developed nation's population growth. While it's a boom for societal pyramid schemes, it cannot be allowed to arrive at its natural conclusion.

Immigration control is quite important to national security.

 

[Moonbeam]

Those who enter a country and do not assimilate are a great concern to nations. Balkanization has been witnessed in modern history and everyone has a right to guard against this.

Immigration control is quite important to national security.

So true. We need to finish the Revolutionary War once and for all by exterminating the South and its insipid six-fingered culture.

 

[Infohawk]

A plane ticket and a check for a few hundred bucks is being generous for violating French law, IMO.

Yes, very generous. I'm sure it won't stop our resident euro-hater from saying it's genocide.

"But our view is when you are doing so, it should not be on a collective basis."

Yeah, because if there is a community of obvious illegals then you just just ignore it...

 

[Greenman]

So true. We need to finish the Revolutionary War once and for all by exterminating the South and its insipid six-fingered culture.

I used think you were uninformed, and not particularly bright. It's now apparent that you're a bigot and not very bright.

 

[Infohawk]

I used think you were uninformed, and not particularly bright. It's now apparent that you're a bigot and not very bright.

You're supposed to let it go because he's zany. Does that not impress you?

 

[Moonbeam]

You're supposed to let it go because he's zany. Does that not impress you?

Bull shit if I'm zany. All I did was channel exactly what the OP said but in a way that was sure to arouse the contempt for such stupidity you should have had for him but would willingly show to me. Thank you, the OP is the idiot you saw in me, a stupid bigot.

 

[CanOWorms]

Many of these people are likely refugees, not illegal immigrants. There is a difference.

This is Sarkozy's work to appeal to the far-right. It's more evidence that the ideals of the ultra far-right are in the mainstream in Europe. Of course the resident Eurosupremacists will deny it and pretend everything is ok as plane loads of Roma are deported to their deaths.

The world should be mobilizing to stop this activity. Another minority group in Europe is under threat. They are being targeted. The continent has a history of genocide, especially against this particular group.

The world can band together and stop it now, or we can stop it later. The difference is that more people die later. Action will be required because they will expand beyond their own borders as history shows repeatedly happens.

Send a cruise missile into the Eiffel tower. Let it be the warning shot to crazed European politicians hellbent on destroying all minority groups.

 

[CanOWorms]

Yes, very generous. I'm sure it won't stop our resident euro-hater from saying it's genocide.

It's not generous at all. It's certainly a crime against humanity, but of course you're ok with it since you deem the Roma to be undesirable and thus worthy of elimination.

 

[Infohawk]

It's not generous at all. It's certainly a crime against humanity, but of course you're ok with it since you deem the Roma to be undesirable and thus worthy of elimination.

Worthy of elimination? Stop being dishonest. I don't think they should be eliminated. They should be deported from countries they are in illegally.

Out of curiosity, have you interacted with Roma?

 

[CanOWorms]

Worthy of elimination? Stop being dishonest. I don't think they should be eliminated. They should be deported from countries they are in illegally.

How do we know that they're there illegally? Refugees are different than illegal immigrants, too.

Out of curiosity, have you interacted with Roma?

Yes. Have you? Did one call you a meanie and that bruised your ego?

 

[Infohawk]

How do we know that they're there illegally? Refugees are different than illegal immigrants, too.

Yes. Have you? Did one call you a meanie and that bruised your ego?

How do we know? Documentation. But I wouldn't put it past you to suggest the French are doctoring the documents...

I'll answer you if you answer me. Last time I played your game with jpeyton he just ran off without answering.

 

[shortylickens]

Wow, how about that?
One large group of people who's exploited us for decades is mad because we are fighting back against another group of people who's been exploiting us for decades.

 

[CanOWorms]

How do we know? Documentation. But I wouldn't put it past you to suggest the French are doctoring the documents...

I wouldn't put it past you to suggest that the French are securing actual legitimate documentation. The article even states:

The 18 independent experts voiced concern that some of the hundreds of Roma flown to Romania in recent weeks under what France calls a voluntary repatriation programme had not been fully informed of their rights or had not freely consented to returning to their homeland.

But anything to purify your idea of race is ok.

I'll answer you if you answer me. Last time I played your game with jpeyton he just ran off without answering.

I already answered your question and countered with my own questions.

 

[Infohawk]

I wouldn't put it past you to suggest that the French are securing actual legitimate documentation. The article even states:



But anything to purify your idea of race is ok.



I already answered your question and countered with my own questions.

Yes I've interacted with Roma. Stop with the purifying race lies. There is no French race. Even traditional French ethnicities are mixture of European "races." So now concerns about citizens being

As for the documentation allegations, your quote doesn't say anything about that.

 

[CanOWorms]

Yes I've interacted with Roma. Stop with the purifying race lies. There is no French race. Even traditional French ethnicities are mixture of European "races." So now concerns about citizens being

You have a concept of a so-called European race, and those that may pollute it or make it impure are ok to be destroyed. It's horrifying.

As for the documentation allegations, your quote doesn't say anything about that.

It's not meant to. It's meant to show that what the French government says is not to be trusted.

 

[Infohawk]

You have a concept of a so-called European race, and those that may pollute it or make it impure are ok to be destroyed. It's horrifying.



It's not meant to. It's meant to show that what the French government says is not to be trusted.

I have a "concept" of a "European race." That doesn't mean much. I don't believe that preserving racial purity is important. I think humans will slowly merge into one mixed "race." Any other assumptions I can bust for you?

France can't be trusted because someone has "concerns"? That's an overreaction.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Looks like the U.S. is not alone in regards to disagreements over what to do with illegals... thousands (immigration status not stated) protest the deportation of illegal gypsy immigrants:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68316V20100904

Demonstrators opposed to measures including repatriation of Roma to eastern Europe waved flags and placards and chanted slogans including "Stop repression" and "No to Sarkozy's inhumane policies." Bands and drums made the atmosphere friendly rather than combative.

 

[drebo]

This is bullshit.

Next thing, people are going to protest and call racist the requirement of the POTUS to be born in America.

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[Orignal Earl]

The people in the UN dont have to live in a town on our southern border. They have not skin in the game and it is like north korea is criticizing some country with freedom.

lol
Where do you think the UN's live?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

lol
Where do you think the UN's live?

Paradise.

UN people are from isolated parts of their society where they have the maximal benefits their nations can give. Do you think the representatives they send are representative of their countries?

Here's the one from Mexico.

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[SIZE=-1] P.R. of Mexico to I.O.;[/SIZE]
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• • • • [SIZE=-1]Began his career in the Foreign Service in 1957 and was promoted to the rank of Ambassador in 1972[/SIZE]
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• • • • [SIZE=-1]Permanent Representative of Mexico to the United Nations 1995[/SIZE]
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        [SIZE=-1]Permanent Representative at Geneva-based International Organizations 1983-1988[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Vice-Minister on Multilateral Affairs[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]1979-1982[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Ambassador to the United Kingdom[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]1977-1979[/SIZE]
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        [SIZE=-1]Head of the Division of International Organizations 1972-1974[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Representative to the Third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea at its meetings in Caracas, Geneva and New York 1971-1982[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Alternate Representative on the Council of the Agency for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]1970-1973[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Director-General for International Organizations1970-1972[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Deputy Director-General for International Organizations 1967-1970[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Alternate Representative to the Conference of the Committee on Disarmement in Geneva 1963-1967[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Alternate Representative to International Organizations with headquarters in Geneva[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]1963-1965[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=-1]Alternate Representative to the Permanent Council of the Organization of American States[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]1959-1963[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]Ambassador Tello has represented Mexico at numerous international and regional conferences and meetings including regular sessions of the General Assembly of the United Nations from 1967 to 1976 and from 1979 to 1982.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]Conferences of the Non-Aligned Movement at the level of Heads of State or Government in 1964, 1973 and 1979.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Meetings of the International Maritime Organization (IMO), of the International Sugar Organization and the International Coffee Organization.[/SIZE]
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• • • • [SIZE=-1]Ambassador Tello has written on Mexico's foreign policy, international policy and maritime issues.[/SIZE]

He's certainly looking to swim the Rio Grande.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Paradise.

UN people are from isolated parts of their society where they have the maximal benefits their nations can give. Do you think the representatives they send are representative of their countries?

Here's the one from Mexico.



He's certainly looking to swim the Rio Grande.

I was commenting more about how so many people treat the UN like its some foreign entity, when its basically run by a bunch of folks who all bow to US policy.

Susan Rice's background could be the same as a lot of folk who post here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rice

Now Bolton on the other hand...

 

[Infohawk]

I was commenting more about how so many people treat the UN like its some foreign entity, when its basically run by a bunch of folks who all bow to US policy.

Myeaahhh... you have a short memory. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq_War) Or maybe you're worldview is just as black and white as the people you are criticizing.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Myeaahhh... you have a short memory. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq_War) Or maybe you're worldview is just as black and white as the people you are criticizing.

Your showing one example of how the UN said no to an invasion as your argument?
And after the invasion didn't they give in and sign some resolution?
edit- I remember a lot of the righties here arguing that the UN did support the Iraq Invasion and showing it as their proof

The Institute for Policy Studies published a report[8] analyzing what it called the "arm-twisting offensive" by the United States government to get nations to support it. Although President Bush described nations supporting him as the "coalition of the willing", the report concluded that it was more accurately described as a "coalition of the coerced." According to the report, most nations supporting Bush "were recruited through coercion, bullying, and bribery." The techniques used to pressure nations to support the United States included a variety of incentives including:

* Promises of aid and loan guarantees to nations who supported the US
* Promises of military assistance to nations who supported the US
* Threats to veto NATO membership applications for countries who don't do what the US asked
* Leveraging the size of the US export market and US influence over financial institutions such as the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.
* Deciding which countries receive trade benefits under such laws as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) and the Free Trade Agreement (FTA), which, as one of its conditions for eligibility for such benefits, requires that a country does "not engage in activities that undermine United States national security interests".
* Deciding what countries it should buy petroleum from in stocking its strategic reserves. The US has exerted such pressure on several oil-exporting nations, such as Mexico.

At a press conference, the White House press corps broke out in laughter when Ari Fleischer denied that "the leaders of other nations are buyable".

From your link

edit- You have one of the most black and white views of the world on this board, and yet are constantly accusing others of the same. bizarre