U.N. Human Rights Council to Take Aim at New Target: United States

[Throckmorton]

You forgot the ridiculousnes that is the whole "Explain How Countrys Like North Korea And Libya Are Supposed To Teach The USA About Human Rights."

I didn't forget. That part of your post had no relevance to what I said.

 

[Amused]

I would just like to be assured that I wouldn't bummed IF I had to go to prison.

There is something inherently wrong with that.

Prison SHOULD be a bummer.

 

[Scotteq]

I didn't forget. That part of your post had no relevance to what I said.

Riiiiight: So you come into a thread about how the USA is being judged on human Rights by countries like North Korea and Libya. Spew about the US Prison system. And yet your being asked to explain why those countries should have the right to criticize us in the first place is somehow.. irrelevant??

Excuse me: But that is *exactly* what the entire thread is about.

So - Either you are not capable of reading the first post in a thread and yet choose to run your mouth irregardless of your complete lack of understanding/information as to the actual topic at hand. Or alternatively, you have no reason for being here other than to shit on your own country with whatever pops into your narrow little mind, since you don't/won't even make an attempt at addressing the actual topic - even when asked directly.

Either way - Thank you for your attempt at participation, and we welcome your return once you have completed "Reading 101" and may then make a (hopefully) coherent contribution.

 

[KlokWyze]

There is something inherently wrong with that.

Prison SHOULD be a bummer.

bummed = butt rape ... lol

 

[Throckmorton]

Riiiiight: So you come into a thread about how the USA is being judged on human Rights by countries like North Korea and Libya. Spew about the US Prison system. And yet your being asked to explain why those countries should have the right to criticize us in the first place is somehow.. irrelevant??

Excuse me: But that is *exactly* what the entire thread is about.

So - Either you are not capable of reading the first post in a thread and yet choose to run your mouth irregardless of your complete lack of understanding/information as to the actual topic at hand. Or alternatively, you have no reason for being here other than to shit on your own country with whatever pops into your narrow little mind, since you don't/won't even make an attempt at addressing the actual topic - even when asked directly.

Either way - Thank you for your attempt at participation, and we welcome your return once you have completed "Reading 101" and may then make a (hopefully) coherent contribution.

So I'm not allowed to address one of the specific criticisms? If you didn't notice, several people were already discussing the prison issue when I posted.

 

[Amused]

bummed = butt rape ... lol

The only way you will ever stop prison sex and rape is to isolate each prisoner. Not only is it expensive to do so, it has also been ruled cruel and unusual except for extreme cases.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/30/090330fa_fact_gawande

The same people that hold we are cruel to our prisoners for them getting raped, are the same dumb asses that tell us solitary confinement is torture.

Um, okay.

 

[KlokWyze]

The only way you will ever stop prison sex and rape is to isolate each prisoner. Not only is it expensive to do so, it has also been ruled cruel and unusual except for extreme cases.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/30/090330fa_fact_gawande

The same people that hold we are cruel to our prisoners for them getting raped, are the same dumb asses that tell us solitary confinement is torture.

Um, okay.

Yeah I see that hypocritical garbage. The real problems are the privatization, overpopulation (privatization) and tradition of American prison systems. The shit is broke, it doesn't work and it's obviously corrupt.

Absolute isolation isn't necessarily necessary. Small groups definitely. Massive amount of isolation for open gang members.... I don't know. I don't study the shit, but there is definitely a solution there. This should be the one place where big brother could shine and it's a mess. What a joke.

Regardless, the US does have it's problems. We should fix them before the UN points them out. I think the worst problem in the US is mass retardation coupled with "conservative beliefs and family values". :hmm:

 

[Craig234]

bummed = butt rape ... lol

http://www.justdetention.org/en/survivortestimony/portraits_of_courage.aspx

butt rape ... lol

 

[Craig234]

Experts helping the US to Improve!?!


So now Libya, North Korea, Cuba, China, and Iran are going to show us how to violate Human Rights in a more efficient manner?


I mean - Why bother with the CIA torturing someone for a week to get information, when a North Korean can do the job in a single day!!

Are you that much an idiot you can't read where it's been posted repeatedly about many other countries being involved and the content of the meetings?

 

[Scotteq]

Thank you for taking my examples out of context. Or perhaps you are so (willingly) blind as to overlook those Countrys places on the panel?

But that sort of leap is expected from you.

 

[Amused]

Yeah I see that hypocritical garbage. The real problems are the privatization, overpopulation (privatization) and tradition of American prison systems. The shit is broke, it doesn't work and it's obviously corrupt.

Absolute isolation isn't necessarily necessary. Small groups definitely. Massive amount of isolation for open gang members.... I don't know. I don't study the shit, but there is definitely a solution there. This should be the one place where big brother could shine and it's a mess. What a joke.

Regardless, the US does have it's problems. We should fix them before the UN points them out. I think the worst problem in the US is mass retardation coupled with "conservative beliefs and family values". :hmm:

Well, the war on drugs is probably our primary problem when it comes to prison overcrowding. And that spans both sides of the political spectrum. So I wouldn't be so quick to blame only conservative beliefs and family values.

I have no problem with conservative beliefs and family values when they are turned inward. In fact, both are great when turned inward. The problem is when people seek to impose both on others, much like the "for your own good" authoritarian morality of the progressives.

But yes, I agree with you for the most part. And I think we can both agree that the UN council is a joke.

And here's another shocker for those who always paint me as "conservative" when in fact, I'm one of the most liberal ones here: I think prisons should focus on rehabilitation, with secondary maximum security penitentiaries set up only for those who fail rehabilitation.

Separate those who can be rehabilitated from those who cannot.

Because the fact is, the vast majority WILL get out one day. That reason alone is reason enough to stop prisons being schools that simply produce better, more violent criminals.

And one may ask me, a fiscal conservatve (classicly liberal), how will we pay for all this? Well, the savings from ending the war on drugs will more than pay for rehabing the prison system AND treating addicts AND educating people about drug abuse.

The war on drugs is ALL the proof one needs that bans, laws, and limits do NOTHING to solve a social problem. One would have thought we had learned our lesson with Prohibition. But no. Not only do we have the massively failed war on drugs, but we are becoming ever more restrictive in all aspects of life in vain attempt at social control and are now even trying to regulate how we buy and consume food.

The same mentality that gave us the war on drugs is now banning happy meals. When will we learn???

 

[rudder]

The U.S. Government should tell the UN Human Rights commission to go fuck themselves. Which is what every country with actual pain inflicting large scale human rights abuses does.

 

[Exterous]

That's where they considered the UN to become really irrelevant, well that and all other times the UN didn't jump when the US said "jump". They dislike that it's not an extension of US force but has the gall to complain when the US does something wrong too.

I would think the UN's in-ability to prevent large scale genocide would have already been an indicator that they were irrelevant

 

[Exterous]

The U.S. Government should tell the UN Human Rights commission to go fuck themselves. Which is what every country with actual pain inflicting large scale human rights abuses does.

Some points are valid but I would have preferred that we at least give an "F you' to Iran, NK, Venezuala and the like

 

[dmcowen674]

What the fuck does this have to do with Obama?

Republicans such as the OP hate America, even more when Dems are in control.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I would think the UN's in-ability to prevent large scale genocide would have already been an indicator that they were irrelevant

The UN isn't an entity that exists by own force and has it's own forces, it's a collection of nations and those nations can provide troops to work under a UN flag mission like the ISAF forces who are operating under a UN mandate.

If you want it to improve, the US is the one and only nation that could actually make that happen, but that would mean that the rules set up and agreed with on other nations by the US would be the same rules the US has to follow and you don't.

The aim for the UN is global cooperation and peace, that is why troops under a UN flag are called "peacekeepers".

The UN could be a lot better if it wasn't for retarded people leading nations like Russia (Jeltsin the drunk) or US (GW, the Cheney puppet by his own admission).

 

[KDOG]

Its called...

US out of UN.

 

[Jaskalas]

Hahaha, thanks for the laugh. I love hearing communist and Islamic fundamentalist regimes complain about human rights in America.

Let's get some Sharia Law in here to fix that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Its called...

US out of UN.

I don't think you realise what the consequences would be.

Suffice to say, Mexico would need a wall to stop Americans from becoming illegal immigrants and Canada would have to have a HUGE fucking army to protect the border, don't worry though, when we don't have to look after US interests, there are a lot of troops left over to do more important things.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Let's get some Sharia Law in here to fix that.

Jaskalas, you know better than this, we've had a lot of disagreements but i've never thought of you as stupid, you know better than this.

You know that ALL nations that commit ANY wrongdoings are critizised via the rules of the HRC, the US are not getting as vast critisisms as Libya, China or other nations but yes, they critisise EVERY nation based on their own wrongdoings, it's not Libya, Chile or China doing that either, it's the FUCKING USA that is doing that, YOU are part of the HRC, YOU are critisising YOURSELVES as much as all other nations.

See, there are rules set up that the US agreed to, almost none of the nations can live up to those rules and ALL are critisised for those things they do wrong, that is remarks on certain things that should be dealt with to comply with the rules you have agreed upon.

How so many people can be SO fucking stupid is... it's fucking incredible.. did you forget how to think beyond one liners?