U.K. detains Glenn Greenwald's partner "under Schedule 7 of Terrorism Act of 2000"

yllus

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Glenn Greenwald, the journalist most associated with Edward Snowden, has a piece up now that states that his partner, David Miranda, had been "detained" at the London airport "under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act of 2000."

This is an unprecedented (in modern times) escalation of the anti-press tactics the U.S. and U.K. governments have been using. Yikes. Aside from sending a message, I'm guessing the point was to seize Mr. Miranda's electronic devices to see if they could zero in on what Mr. Greenwald or Mr. Snowden may be up to next.

The Guardian - Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

At 6:30 am this morning my time - 5:30 am on the East Coast of the US - I received a telephone call from someone who identified himself as a "security official at Heathrow airport." He told me that my partner, David Miranda, had been "detained" at the London airport "under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act of 2000."

David had spent the last week in Berlin, where he stayed with Laura Poitras, the US filmmaker who has worked with me extensively on the NSA stories. A Brazilian citizen, he was returning to our home in Rio de Janeiro this morning on British Airways, flying first to London and then on to Rio. When he arrived in London this morning, he was detained.

At the time the "security official" called me, David had been detained for 3 hours. The security official told me that they had the right to detain him for up to 9 hours in order to question him, at which point they could either arrest and charge him or ask a court to extend the question time. The official - who refused to give his name but would only identify himself by his number: 203654 - said David was not allowed to have a lawyer present, nor would they allow me to talk to him.

I immediately contacted the Guardian, which sent lawyers to the airport, as well various Brazilian officials I know. Within the hour, several senior Brazilian officials were engaged and expressing indignation over what was being done. The Guardian has the full story here.

Despite all that, five more hours went by and neither the Guardian's lawyers nor Brazilian officials, including the Ambassador to the UK in London, were able to obtain any information about David. We spent most of that time contemplating the charges he would likely face once the 9-hour period elapsed.

According to a document published by the UK government about Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, "fewer than 3 people in every 10,000 are examined as they pass through UK borders" (David was not entering the UK but only transiting through to Rio). Moreover, "most examinations, over 97%, last under an hour." An appendix to that document states that only .06% of all people detained are kept for more than 6 hours.

The stated purpose of this law, as the name suggests, is to question people about terrorism. The detention power, claims the UK government, is used "to determine whether that person is or has been involved in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism."

But they obviously had zero suspicion that David was associated with a terrorist organization or involved in any terrorist plot. Instead, they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting which Laura Poitras, the Guardian and I are doing, as well the content of the electronic products he was carrying.

They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop "the terrorists", and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name.

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Before letting him go, they seized numerous possessions of his, including his laptop, his cellphone, various video game consoles, DVDs, USB sticks, and other materials. They did not say when they would return any of it, or if they would.
 

TerryMathews

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Glenn Greenwald, the journalist most associated with Edward Snowden, has a piece up now that states that his partner, David Miranda, had been "detained" at the London airport "under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act of 2000."

This is an unprecedented (in modern times) escalation of the anti-press tactics the U.S. and U.K. governments have been using. Yikes. Aside from sending a message, I'm guessing the point was to seize Mr. Miranda's electronic devices to see if they could zero in on what Mr. Greenwald or Mr. Snowden may be up to next.

The Guardian - Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

(Paraphrasing HHGTG) Obama's just this guy, you know?

This whole affair is sick.
 

unokitty

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Publish the truth.

Have your partner detained for nine hours under an anti-terrorism law. No attorney. No charges.
Get your laptop, your cellphone, your DVDs, and your memory sticks confiscated.
After nine hours, they let him go. But they don't give him his electronics back.

Brazil 'concerned' after UK detention

Publishing the truth is now terrorism? And subjects your friends to being detained without access to legal council?

Are these countries still considered part of the free world?

Uno
 
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UglyCasanova

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rather disgusting but not a suprise at all.

Agreed. I think history will see the Obama administration as being on the wrong side of the issue, and no matter what good he may do during his terms this will always overshadow that. I voted for him twice, and he has let me down spectacularly.
 

Binarycow

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Agreed. I think history will see the Obama administration as being on the wrong side of the issue, and no matter what good he may do during his terms this will always overshadow that. I voted for him twice, and he has let me down spectacularly.

Same here. I love this country with all my heart but lately we seem to trade much of our liberty for a false sense of security.
 

Zorkorist

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He's a Democrat.

Everything he is about is taking from the individual, to give to the masses.

-John
 

Dari

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They hate us for our freedom!
We fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here!!
 

PokerGuy

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Man, the UK and the US governments have really gone of the deep end on this. Most open and transparent government ever .... yeah, sure. It's a shameful state of affairs. I guess the lesson is make sure you avoid the UK and the US when traveling, and make sure you have only disposable electronics with no information of any value on you when you do travel there.
 

Dari

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Where are the people defending this massive program now? Also, how is this different than the double standard going on in Egypt where a democratically-elected government is overthrown and we look the other way? Man, talk about shitting all over your principals. The US and UK governments are no different from China or Russia. Some shameful shit going on here.
 

halik

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So I just realize by partner he means significant other; originally I read the story as his editorial partner (aka journalist) was detained. This is absolutely astounding.


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TerryMathews

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Where are the people defending this massive program now? Also, how is this different than the double standard going on in Egypt where a democratically-elected government is overthrown and we look the other way? Man, talk about shitting all over your principals. The US and UK governments are no different from China or Russia. Some shameful shit going on here.

Actually, Russia has gotten better in recent years. We are behaving like the Soviet Union of old.
 

Jimzz

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Even if you support the NSA and the BS, IMO, type of actions they are engaging in; actions like these should scare even supporters.

Just think like this "first they came for those that did not support the NSA but I support the NSA. Then…"

There’s always going to be a THEN so speak up now or become a then.
 

NTMBK

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This is a thread about the UK detaining a journalist's partner. Can we please discuss the ridiculous shit that both political parties on this side of the Atlantic have let happen, instead of turning it into another thread about American politics?
 

Nintendesert

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This is a thread about the UK detaining a journalist's partner. Can we please discuss the ridiculous shit that both political parties on this side of the Atlantic have let happen, instead of turning it into another thread about American politics?



I suppose we can debate just how much autonomy the UK exercises in situations like this and how much is simply doing what the US tells them to do.
 

EagleKeeper

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This is a thread about the UK detaining a journalist's partner. Can we please discuss the ridiculous shit that both political parties on this side of the Atlantic have let happen, instead of turning it into another thread about American politics?

And what reason would the UK have to detain a journalist's partner that is transiting through a UK airport.
 

TerryMathews

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This is a thread about the UK detaining a journalist's partner. Can we please discuss the ridiculous shit that both political parties on this side of the Atlantic have let happen, instead of turning it into another thread about American politics?

Do you honestly believe that the UK authorities decided to detain and interrogate him without any outside influence? Not a nudge, mention, wink, or whisper?

You're a fool.
 

Bowfinger

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Agreed, this is an outrage, both for Brits and Americans. It only reinforces the notions that our governments are becoming more oppressive and corrupt, and that the U.K. is America's lapdog. It seems like it would also warn other Westerners that both countries are to be avoided.

On the bright side, I read a BBC story that there are already internal calls to investigate this, and demands for full accountability. It will be interesting to see if this gets play in our mainstream media. So far I've only read about on tech sites here.
 

Bowfinger

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This was complete horseshit (and people should go to jail over it) but Russia is still orders of magnitude worse.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/18/us-russia-navalny-idUSBRE96G0WO20130718
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23361736

We're certainly not yet as bad as the USSR yet, but I'm concerned we are heading that way. Over the last several decades, at least, our government has become more and more abusive in ignoring citizens' Constitutional rights. This became most apparent to me with the ever escalating "War on Drugs", and shot into overdrive after 9/11. This is only the latest example.
 

JEDIYoda

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He's a Democrat.

Everything he is about is taking from the individual, to give to the masses.

-John
If he was a Republican -- none of what they have would be given to the masses. They are all about hoarding their wealth!!
 

PokerGuy

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We're certainly not yet as bad as the USSR yet, but I'm concerned we are heading that way.

It is simply the natural order of things. Governments get bigger and more intrusive over time, that's just how it goes. Current governments get a helping hand to make it even quicker because of new technology to monitor all the citizens.

People are simply too eager to give up their rights in return for the promise of something (safety, wealth, happiness, whatever).
 

NTMBK

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Do you honestly believe that the UK authorities decided to detain and interrogate him without any outside influence? Not a nudge, mention, wink, or whisper?

You're a fool.

Oh, I'm well aware that the UK government is the US' lapdog. But can we actually talk about that, not just another "damn that Obama" thread?
 

EagleKeeper

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If he was a Republican -- none of what they have would be given to the masses. They are all about hoarding their wealth!!

Masses have to earn it - no free handouts.
Opportunity is there - reach for it.