Tyson Foods Drops Labor Day For Muslim Holiday Instead

[Socio]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America? Seems most union contracts call for a Christmas day holiday.
In NYC many contracts call for one or more Jewish holidays off. Are you complaining about that?
Amazing how the hate is flowing in America. One very small company changes a holiday to accomadate the majority of its workers and somehow its the end of Western Civilization.

The PC crowd has changed it so Christmas is no longer viewed as a ?Christian? holiday, and if NYC has contracts that call for one or more Jewish holidays off, that would just as wrong and should be abolished.



Where are we going to draw the line and when?

This is just another example of where it looks like we are not, we are just going to jump when they say jump, our ways be damn, what matter most is accommodating theirs.

Over react a little? You know why the majority of the workers there are Somali? Because working in a Chicken Processing Plant is so disgusting the even Hillbillies from Tennessee refuse to work there. I bet most of those that aren't Somali that do work there are in Supervisory , Warehousing, Administration or Shipping positions. And you have the audacity to complain because they voted themselves a holiday, one that doesn't even affect a Christian Holiday. And why should you even care, you're no Christian, at least not one that the real Jesus would recognize.

Last I checked there are no more ?Christian" holidays so why in the hell should anyone else get a paid designated religious holiday?

The fact that we eliminate Christian religious holidays while granting others theirs is asinine.

If they come to America to live and work the first thing that needs to be done is let them no they are going to have to live like an American, and their religion is not superior to anyone else, their couture is not superior to anyone else nor do they get special privileges because of it.

The last thing you want to do is accommodate them because it will never stop until you have accommodated our country into their country.

What is happening in this plant is really just typical Muslim MO; conquer from within, as soon as they get majority power they start changing things to their ways and we roll over like pansies and allow it;

The union also reported "two prayer rooms have been created to allow Muslim workers to pray twice a day and return to work without leaving the plant."

Next thing you know they will get majority in the plants town, elect a Muslim Mayor etc? erect mosques and Islamic schools, ban pork products from stores and lot of other little changes so they never have to assimilate to America, instead convert everything they can to their old countries way.

last time i checked, Christmas and Easter are still religious holidays that are recognized by the feds, thou Easter always lands on a Sunday but good friday doesn't. just try to get USPS delivered on Christmas without paying additional fees. normal mail does not run on Christmas.

Christmas

On December 6, 1999, the verdict for Ganulin v. United States (1999) declared that "the establishment of Christmas Day as a legal public holiday does not violate the Establishment Clause because it has a valid secular purpose."

Christmas is NOT a legal ?religious? holiday it is only a legal holiday because "it has a valid secular purpose" if it did not it would no longer be a legal holiday.

Easter is not a legal holiday either;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...s_of_the_United_States

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America? Seems most union contracts call for a Christmas day holiday.
In NYC many contracts call for one or more Jewish holidays off. Are you complaining about that?
Amazing how the hate is flowing in America. One very small company changes a holiday to accomadate the majority of its workers and somehow its the end of Western Civilization.

The PC crowd has changed it so Christmas is no longer viewed as a ?Christian? holiday, and if NYC has contracts that call for one or more Jewish holidays off, that would just as wrong and should be abolished.



Where are we going to draw the line and when?

This is just another example of where it looks like we are not, we are just going to jump when they say jump, our ways be damn, what matter most is accommodating theirs.

Over react a little? You know why the majority of the workers there are Somali? Because working in a Chicken Processing Plant is so disgusting the even Hillbillies from Tennessee refuse to work there. I bet most of those that aren't Somali that do work there are in Supervisory , Warehousing, Administration or Shipping positions. And you have the audacity to complain because they voted themselves a holiday, one that doesn't even affect a Christian Holiday. And why should you even care, you're no Christian, at least not one that the real Jesus would recognize.

Last I checked there are no more ?Christian" holidays so why in the hell should anyone else get a paid designated religious holiday?

The fact that we eliminate Christian religious holidays while granting others theirs is asinine.

If they come to America to live and work the first thing that needs to be done is let them no they are going to have to live like an American, and their religion is not superior to anyone else, their couture is not superior to anyone else nor do they get special privileges because of it.

The last thing you want to do is accommodate them because it will never stop until you have accommodated our country into their country.

What is happening in this plant is really just typical Muslim MO; conquer from within, as soon as they get majority power they start changing things to their ways and we roll over like pansies and allow it;

The union also reported "two prayer rooms have been created to allow Muslim workers to pray twice a day and return to work without leaving the plant."

Next thing you know they will get majority in the plants town, elect a Muslim Mayor etc? erect mosques and Islamic schools, ban pork products from stores and lot of other little changes so they never have to assimilate to America, instead convert everything they can to their old countries way.

last time i checked, Christmas and Easter are still religious holidays that are recognized by the feds, thou Easter always lands on a Sunday but good friday doesn't. just try to get USPS delivered on Christmas without paying additional fees. normal mail does not run on Christmas.

Christmas

On December 6, 1999, the verdict for Ganulin v. United States (1999) declared that "the establishment of Christmas Day as a legal public holiday does not violate the Establishment Clause because it has a valid secular purpose."

Christmas is NOT a legal ?religious? holiday it is only a legal holiday because "it has a valid secular purpose" if it did not it would no longer be a legal holiday.

Easter is not a legal holiday either;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...s_of_the_United_States

Christmas (IPA: /kr?sm?s/) is an annual holiday that celebrates the birth of Jesus.

First line of the wiki you referred to. that , by definition, is a religious holiday.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America? Seems most union contracts call for a Christmas day holiday.
In NYC many contracts call for one or more Jewish holidays off. Are you complaining about that?
Amazing how the hate is flowing in America. One very small company changes a holiday to accomadate the majority of its workers and somehow its the end of Western Civilization.

The PC crowd has changed it so Christmas is no longer viewed as a ?Christian? holiday, and if NYC has contracts that call for one or more Jewish holidays off, that would just as wrong and should be abolished.

Where are we going to draw the line and when?

This is just another example of where it looks like we are not, we are just going to jump when they say jump, our ways be damn, what matter most is accommodating theirs.

Not really. If a situation like this works and both parties and satisfied, then it IS working insofar as I'm concerned. There would be no reason to abolish that.

I never saw or read anything saying 'our ways be damned'. Oh and being honest about it (you should read what RightisWrong wrote...most people don't give two shits about most of our holidays, let alone really understand the meaning of them.

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Nebor
They don't see this as democracy at work, or tolerance. They see this as weakness, and a lack of caring about our own holidays, traditions and culture.

If they see it that way, it's only because it is true.

Do you really care about MLK Jr. Day? What kind of celebration/commemoration did you have? What about Labor Day? Did you do anything special for it other than get drunk and polish your gun?

What about Washington's Birthday or Columbus Day?

The fact of the matter is the non-Muslim employees at Tyson are probably like a great majority of Americans and could give two shits about any holiday other than Xmas, Thanksgiving or New Years. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that most Americans would vote to make the Monday after the Super Bowl a federal holiday over the ones that I listed earlier in this thread so that they can get smashed and not have to worry about Monday morning hangover after the game.

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

So that's even a more bizarre argument from Socio. In 20 years the "immigrants" sons and daughters will probably have the same culture and thoughts as their parents. Would "islamization" then be justified?

No they won't. They will not have the culture of their parents. FAR from it. They will have the culture of where they live. Period. They will have grown up watching tv, listening to music, interacting and learning social norms in a society different from their parents. They will most likely be influenced by their parents culture - but that base culture is going to be where they grew up and that is what they really know.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America? Seems most union contracts call for a Christmas day holiday.
In NYC many contracts call for one or more Jewish holidays off. Are you complaining about that?
Amazing how the hate is flowing in America. One very small company changes a holiday to accomadate the majority of its workers and somehow its the end of Western Civilization.

The PC crowd has changed it so Christmas is no longer viewed as a ?Christian? holiday, and if NYC has contracts that call for one or more Jewish holidays off, that would just as wrong and should be abolished.



Where are we going to draw the line and when?

This is just another example of where it looks like we are not, we are just going to jump when they say jump, our ways be damn, what matter most is accommodating theirs.

Over react a little? You know why the majority of the workers there are Somali? Because working in a Chicken Processing Plant is so disgusting the even Hillbillies from Tennessee refuse to work there. I bet most of those that aren't Somali that do work there are in Supervisory , Warehousing, Administration or Shipping positions. And you have the audacity to complain because they voted themselves a holiday, one that doesn't even affect a Christian Holiday. And why should you even care, you're no Christian, at least not one that the real Jesus would recognize.

Last I checked there are no more ?Christian" holidays so why in the hell should anyone else get a paid designated religious holiday?

The fact that we eliminate Christian religious holidays while granting others theirs is asinine.

If they come to America to live and work the first thing that needs to be done is let them no they are going to have to live like an American, and their religion is not superior to anyone else, their couture is not superior to anyone else nor do they get special privileges because of it.

The last thing you want to do is accommodate them because it will never stop until you have accommodated our country into their country.

What is happening in this plant is really just typical Muslim MO; conquer from within, as soon as they get majority power they start changing things to their ways and we roll over like pansies and allow it;

The union also reported "two prayer rooms have been created to allow Muslim workers to pray twice a day and return to work without leaving the plant."

Next thing you know they will get majority in the plants town, elect a Muslim Mayor etc? erect mosques and Islamic schools, ban pork products from stores and lot of other little changes so they never have to assimilate to America, instead convert everything they can to their old countries way.

last time i checked, Christmas and Easter are still religious holidays that are recognized by the feds, thou Easter always lands on a Sunday but good friday doesn't. just try to get USPS delivered on Christmas without paying additional fees. normal mail does not run on Christmas.

Christmas

On December 6, 1999, the verdict for Ganulin v. United States (1999) declared that "the establishment of Christmas Day as a legal public holiday does not violate the Establishment Clause because it has a valid secular purpose."

Christmas is NOT a legal ?religious? holiday it is only a legal holiday because "it has a valid secular purpose" if it did not it would no longer be a legal holiday.

Easter is not a legal holiday either;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...s_of_the_United_States

Christmas (IPA: /kr?sm?s/) is an annual holiday that celebrates the birth of Jesus.

First line of the wiki you referred to. that , by definition, is a religious holiday.

Not a ?legally recognized? religious holiday.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America? Seems most union contracts call for a Christmas day holiday.
In NYC many contracts call for one or more Jewish holidays off. Are you complaining about that?
Amazing how the hate is flowing in America. One very small company changes a holiday to accomadate the majority of its workers and somehow its the end of Western Civilization.

The PC crowd has changed it so Christmas is no longer viewed as a ?Christian? holiday, and if NYC has contracts that call for one or more Jewish holidays off, that would just as wrong and should be abolished.

Where are we going to draw the line and when?

This is just another example of where it looks like we are not, we are just going to jump when they say jump, our ways be damn, what matter most is accommodating theirs.

Not really. If a situation like this works and both parties and satisfied, then it IS working insofar as I'm concerned. There would be no reason to abolish that.

I never saw or read anything saying 'our ways be damned'. Oh and being honest about it (you should read what RightisWrong wrote...most people don't give two shits about most of our holidays, let alone really understand the meaning of them.

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Nebor
They don't see this as democracy at work, or tolerance. They see this as weakness, and a lack of caring about our own holidays, traditions and culture.

If they see it that way, it's only because it is true.

Do you really care about MLK Jr. Day? What kind of celebration/commemoration did you have? What about Labor Day? Did you do anything special for it other than get drunk and polish your gun?

What about Washington's Birthday or Columbus Day?

The fact of the matter is the non-Muslim employees at Tyson are probably like a great majority of Americans and could give two shits about any holiday other than Xmas, Thanksgiving or New Years. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that most Americans would vote to make the Monday after the Super Bowl a federal holiday over the ones that I listed earlier in this thread so that they can get smashed and not have to worry about Monday morning hangover after the game.

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

So that's even a more bizarre argument from Socio. In 20 years the "immigrants" sons and daughters will probably have the same culture and thoughts as their parents. Would "islamization" then be justified?

No they won't. They will not have the culture of their parents. FAR from it. They will have the culture of where they live. Period. They will have grown up watching tv, listening to music, interacting and learning social norms in a society different from their parents. They will most likely be influenced by their parents culture - but that base culture is going to be where they grew up and that is what they really know.

Only if they are forced to assimilate and if anything the exact opposite is happening and will continue to happen because of the spineless left that will gladly help them not have to by accommodating their every whim.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America? Seems most union contracts call for a Christmas day holiday.
In NYC many contracts call for one or more Jewish holidays off. Are you complaining about that?
Amazing how the hate is flowing in America. One very small company changes a holiday to accomadate the majority of its workers and somehow its the end of Western Civilization.

The PC crowd has changed it so Christmas is no longer viewed as a ?Christian? holiday, and if NYC has contracts that call for one or more Jewish holidays off, that would just as wrong and should be abolished.



Where are we going to draw the line and when?

This is just another example of where it looks like we are not, we are just going to jump when they say jump, our ways be damn, what matter most is accommodating theirs.

Over react a little? You know why the majority of the workers there are Somali? Because working in a Chicken Processing Plant is so disgusting the even Hillbillies from Tennessee refuse to work there. I bet most of those that aren't Somali that do work there are in Supervisory , Warehousing, Administration or Shipping positions. And you have the audacity to complain because they voted themselves a holiday, one that doesn't even affect a Christian Holiday. And why should you even care, you're no Christian, at least not one that the real Jesus would recognize.

Last I checked there are no more ?Christian" holidays so why in the hell should anyone else get a paid designated religious holiday?

The fact that we eliminate Christian religious holidays while granting others theirs is asinine.

If they come to America to live and work the first thing that needs to be done is let them no they are going to have to live like an American, and their religion is not superior to anyone else, their couture is not superior to anyone else nor do they get special privileges because of it.

The last thing you want to do is accommodate them because it will never stop until you have accommodated our country into their country.

What is happening in this plant is really just typical Muslim MO; conquer from within, as soon as they get majority power they start changing things to their ways and we roll over like pansies and allow it;

The union also reported "two prayer rooms have been created to allow Muslim workers to pray twice a day and return to work without leaving the plant."

Next thing you know they will get majority in the plants town, elect a Muslim Mayor etc? erect mosques and Islamic schools, ban pork products from stores and lot of other little changes so they never have to assimilate to America, instead convert everything they can to their old countries way.

last time i checked, Christmas and Easter are still religious holidays that are recognized by the feds, thou Easter always lands on a Sunday but good friday doesn't. just try to get USPS delivered on Christmas without paying additional fees. normal mail does not run on Christmas.

Christmas

On December 6, 1999, the verdict for Ganulin v. United States (1999) declared that "the establishment of Christmas Day as a legal public holiday does not violate the Establishment Clause because it has a valid secular purpose."

Christmas is NOT a legal ?religious? holiday it is only a legal holiday because "it has a valid secular purpose" if it did not it would no longer be a legal holiday.

Easter is not a legal holiday either;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...s_of_the_United_States

Christmas (IPA: /kr?sm?s/) is an annual holiday that celebrates the birth of Jesus.

First line of the wiki you referred to. that , by definition, is a religious holiday.

Not a ?legally recognized? religious holiday.

So this is the same thing, weather you admit it or not.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Socio

What holiday will be next to be taken away and replaced to accommodate an immigrant's?

You are a racist. Unless you are a native American you are all immigrants.

How is it racist?

Muslim is a religion and not a race.

Not surprisingly, many in here who would have a conniption fit were some traditional secular holiday replaced with a Christian one are OK with this.

I don't think it's a good idea. Labor Day has been celebrated over 100 yrs and is a traditional American Holiday. There are many traditions and communal events that weekend. We've all seen of the problems resulting from non-assimilation, so this IMO is a bad idea as it does absolutely nothing towards that end. In fact, quite the opposite, the Muslim workers should be out with the non-Muslims joining in community festivities.

I think it a likely hardship on the non-Muslim employees as well. The spouse and kids eiither get to sit home without the working parent, or go to festivities without them. Not cool at all. :frown:

Fern

Nobody is replacing anything with anything else. A company with a significant majority Muslim workforce is apparently catering to the requests of that workforce in terms of what holidays they would like to receive payed time off for. The only valid complaint here, IMHO, is if you think the workers should have chosen labor day over a Muslim holiday for time off. However, while you might like the idea of assimilation, I don't think it's remotely reasonable, to demand that everyone prioritize the holidays in the same way you do. And if that choice is a hardship on the (minority) non-Muslim workers, isn't it an equal imposition to ask the Muslim employees to work on an important holiday for them? Why should Labor Day be given absolute priority...because it's a more traditionally celebrated holiday than a Muslim religious holiday? That doesn't seem like a good enough reason if we are truly the cultural melting pot we claim to be.

I would also like to point out that I've seen the problems resulting from "assimilation" as well. Not a single one of my grandparents was born in this country, yet because they came here at a time when it was pretty much required that you conform to the existing culture, I have absolutely no concept of any cultural identity beyond what's happened in the last two generations of my family. You might view that as a good thing, but I don't happen to think multi-culturalism is a dirty word, I think that it gives America the diversity that a lot of countries lack. Do you really want us to be a Western version of Japan, where anything even remotely non-traditional is looked down on?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Socio

What holiday will be next to be taken away and replaced to accommodate an immigrant's?

You are a racist. Unless you are a native American you are all immigrants.

How is it racist?

Muslim is a religion and not a race.

...

Fern

I'm sorry, that's just a silly argument. You know what he means, verbal hair-splitting is not a replacement for a valid argument. "Racist" may not be the most accurate word ("bigot" is a better choice when talking about religion), but the intent is obvious, especially when talking to a non-native English speaker (I assume, since The Green Bean is Pakistani). And while the word itself is too specific to refer to religion, the idea most certainly isn't. The difference between hating someone for their religious beliefs and hating someone for their skin color is pretty slim if you ask me.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JD50


Listen, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you whatever it is that you are trying to argue. If you can't tell the difference between the unbending rules of religion, and the laws made by a Democratic society, then I'm not going to be able to help you here.

Yes, there are a few laws that the majority cannot change, but that does not in any way, shape, or form make a Democratic society like religion. That's like saying that the sky is blue, and a smurf is blue, so a smurf is just like the sky.

I don't argue about religion, so I'm not going down that road with you.

So if the majority argues in favour of religion wouldn't it be democratic to actually listen? It would be the laws made by a democratic society then. And this is not like exact science. Laws are not exact science. Just because you think something is a good law doesn't make it so.

Why is it that religious nutcases can never seem to grasp the idea that what their religious beliefs are between them and their creator/church/holy cow/whatever, that the rest of society should never have to be forced to believe the same thing. I'm against the so-called "blue laws" that Christians introduced in the US as well, it's the same idea: legislating their religion to force others to accept it.

Add me to those boycotting Tyson products, there are plenty of alternatives from companies that are not bending over to the religious nutcases.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Socio

Only if they are forced to assimilate and if anything the exact opposite is happening and will continue to happen because of the spineless left that will gladly help them not have to by accommodating their every whim.

Dude you are being asinine. You either are lying, or you simply don't know any Muslims and their kids to say...so you should shut up about something that you have no idea about. And please, anti Muslim sites online do not count at all.

If anyone knows this better than you, it is going to be me because I AM that generation that grew up and I have my own siblings of various ages and I meet many others from different backgrounds and I can see how they act and think. And you are clearly unaware of the reality around you. Girls who wouldn't shake your hand are fans of Lost and Prison Break and wouldn't miss an episode for the world (And if they did, they'll ask someone to download it online just like all the other good American children who pirate media). Girls who make sure to dress one to two sizes larger are rabid fans of American Idol. Ask them about the cartoons they know, and they will mention what they watched growing up here. Ask them about music, and even if they don't know much they will have heard of the names of hands. Ask them about many traditionally "American" things, and they will know it. Even the guy who walks around with a skull cap quietly likes to air guitar to Linken Park. Many can read and write well considering they are college students.

You know shit about the kids who are grew up here and are still growing up here. They know just as much about the culture here and are just as assimilated as any other American Kid. They maybe a little different because their parents raised them to not date (which often in America isn't just about meeting people - Tom Leykis anyone?), not to drink (which some don't follow anyways), not to eat pork (Jews don't eat pork either so what is the problem?) but that mean they arne't American - every kid is raised up differently and has different values.

It is often hard to describe an entire group in general, but no matter where I've been - whether it is on the West Coast, or in the Middle of the US, or at a conference seeing kids across the country - I have never come across someone who grew up here or is growing up here and is completely NOT assimilated. That is something I state POSITIVELY - because you make it seem like these people AREN'T. You know what though, I'm sure out there, somewhere, there HAS to be a few because many things about humans fall into a bell curve....but it shouldn't be a surprise that they are the super minority. To most, the USA is their home and will continue to be.

I should remind myself to pick up Tyson meat because of common sense they exhibit. Hell, if Christian workers who are religious enough want a room for prayer...turn the existing ones into an interfaith room...of course as the article says, "Lawson said they consider religious accommodations on a case-by-case basis. She said that so far, no one has asked for any other type of religious prayer room."

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not like the OP, his ideological buddies, or Tyson Foods actually support the Labor Movement in any way, shape or form, so whining about negotiating away that holiday in exchange for another seems a little... dishonest. Having it their way, union organizing would probably carry the death penalty. It's just another opportunity to rave and advance their anti-muslim agenda.

If that's what the Local wanted, I'm glad they got it. We traded Easter for MLK day the same way some years ago, and it actually worked to the advantage of the membership- more people get extra days off, and more people get extra pay for working the holiday... transit scheduling being what it is...

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JD50


Listen, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you whatever it is that you are trying to argue. If you can't tell the difference between the unbending rules of religion, and the laws made by a Democratic society, then I'm not going to be able to help you here.

Yes, there are a few laws that the majority cannot change, but that does not in any way, shape, or form make a Democratic society like religion. That's like saying that the sky is blue, and a smurf is blue, so a smurf is just like the sky.

I don't argue about religion, so I'm not going down that road with you.

So if the majority argues in favour of religion wouldn't it be democratic to actually listen? It would be the laws made by a democratic society then. And this is not like exact science. Laws are not exact science. Just because you think something is a good law doesn't make it so.

Why is it that religious nutcases can never seem to grasp the idea that what their religious beliefs are between them and their creator/church/holy cow/whatever, that the rest of society should never have to be forced to believe the same thing. I'm against the so-called "blue laws" that Christians introduced in the US as well, it's the same idea: legislating their religion to force others to accept it.

Add me to those boycotting Tyson products, there are plenty of alternatives from companies that are not bending over to the religious nutcases.

Let me know when those Muslims at that plant demand that other non Muslims not eat pork for lunch, or that they must pray as well, or that they demand the women dress differently, or that they don't want Christmas off as a holiday, okay?

Then i'll consider the comparison to "Blue Laws"

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: JD50


Listen, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you whatever it is that you are trying to argue. If you can't tell the difference between the unbending rules of religion, and the laws made by a Democratic society, then I'm not going to be able to help you here.

Yes, there are a few laws that the majority cannot change, but that does not in any way, shape, or form make a Democratic society like religion. That's like saying that the sky is blue, and a smurf is blue, so a smurf is just like the sky.

I don't argue about religion, so I'm not going down that road with you.

So if the majority argues in favour of religion wouldn't it be democratic to actually listen? It would be the laws made by a democratic society then. And this is not like exact science. Laws are not exact science. Just because you think something is a good law doesn't make it so.

Why is it that religious nutcases can never seem to grasp the idea that what their religious beliefs are between them and their creator/church/holy cow/whatever, that the rest of society should never have to be forced to believe the same thing. I'm against the so-called "blue laws" that Christians introduced in the US as well, it's the same idea: legislating their religion to force others to accept it.

Add me to those boycotting Tyson products, there are plenty of alternatives from companies that are not bending over to the religious nutcases.

Nobody is "legislating" anything, nobody is forcing society to believe anything. My God you people are a bunch of drama queens.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America? Seems most union contracts call for a Christmas day holiday.
In NYC many contracts call for one or more Jewish holidays off. Are you complaining about that?
Amazing how the hate is flowing in America. One very small company changes a holiday to accomadate the majority of its workers and somehow its the end of Western Civilization.

The PC crowd has changed it so Christmas is no longer viewed as a ?Christian? holiday, and if NYC has contracts that call for one or more Jewish holidays off, that would just as wrong and should be abolished.

Where are we going to draw the line and when?

This is just another example of where it looks like we are not, we are just going to jump when they say jump, our ways be damn, what matter most is accommodating theirs.

Not really. If a situation like this works and both parties and satisfied, then it IS working insofar as I'm concerned. There would be no reason to abolish that.

I never saw or read anything saying 'our ways be damned'. Oh and being honest about it (you should read what RightisWrong wrote...most people don't give two shits about most of our holidays, let alone really understand the meaning of them.

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Nebor
They don't see this as democracy at work, or tolerance. They see this as weakness, and a lack of caring about our own holidays, traditions and culture.

If they see it that way, it's only because it is true.

Do you really care about MLK Jr. Day? What kind of celebration/commemoration did you have? What about Labor Day? Did you do anything special for it other than get drunk and polish your gun?

What about Washington's Birthday or Columbus Day?

The fact of the matter is the non-Muslim employees at Tyson are probably like a great majority of Americans and could give two shits about any holiday other than Xmas, Thanksgiving or New Years. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that most Americans would vote to make the Monday after the Super Bowl a federal holiday over the ones that I listed earlier in this thread so that they can get smashed and not have to worry about Monday morning hangover after the game.

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

So that's even a more bizarre argument from Socio. In 20 years the "immigrants" sons and daughters will probably have the same culture and thoughts as their parents. Would "islamization" then be justified?

No they won't. They will not have the culture of their parents. FAR from it. They will have the culture of where they live. Period. They will have grown up watching tv, listening to music, interacting and learning social norms in a society different from their parents. They will most likely be influenced by their parents culture - but that base culture is going to be where they grew up and that is what they really know.

Only if they are forced to assimilate and if anything the exact opposite is happening and will continue to happen because of the spineless left that will gladly help them not have to by accommodating their every whim.

Hear hear! You know what pisses me off the most though? Those fucking Germans. They don't want to assimilate. Instead they stuff down our throats their way of Christmas with their Christmas trees. Their way of beer making with their Pilsners and Lagers instead of good Anglo-Saxon ales. Their way of food delicacies like sausages. And did you know that those Poles in Chicago have us celebrating Casimir Pulaski Day? These people will never become real Americans, like us WASPs.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: shinerburke
This is good information to have. I can now mark Tyson products off my grocery list from now on.

Yes, Tyson should tell their Muslim workers they are second class people who do not deserve the right to have any say in majority decisions. You are a jerk, IMO.

And you're a holier than thou Quisling who won't be happy until the Western culture is sold down the river just to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.

I think ol Alexis de Toqueville was thinking of you when he said:

"Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: shinerburke
This is good information to have. I can now mark Tyson products off my grocery list from now on.

Yes, Tyson should tell their Muslim workers they are second class people who do not deserve the right to have any say in majority decisions. You are a jerk, IMO.

And you're a holier than thou Quisling who won't be happy until the Western culture is sold down the river just to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.

I think ol Alexis de Toqueville was thinking of you when he said:

"Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

I think of tinfoil hats when I think of you.....

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: shinerburke
This is good information to have. I can now mark Tyson products off my grocery list from now on.

Yes, Tyson should tell their Muslim workers they are second class people who do not deserve the right to have any say in majority decisions. You are a jerk, IMO.

And you're a holier than thou Quisling who won't be happy until the Western culture is sold down the river just to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.

I think ol Alexis de Toqueville was thinking of you when he said:

"Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

I think of tinfoil hats when I think of you.....

and I think of Charmin when I think you you.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

and I think of Charmin when I think you you.

oh gosh, you think I'm soft and want to snuggle up against me?

Just don't squeeze me...

\you you you you.

 

[jpeyton]

So sweet. Good for the union workers to negotiate for something they wanted.

 

[Drift3r]

Wait isn't Labor Day a leftist secular and godless holiday? Guys like Socio should be okay with this I would think.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
It's not like the OP, his ideological buddies, or Tyson Foods actually support the Labor Movement in any way, shape or form, so whining about negotiating away that holiday in exchange for another seems a little... dishonest. Having it their way, union organizing would probably carry the death penalty. It's just another opportunity to rave and advance their anti-muslim agenda.

If that's what the Local wanted, I'm glad they got it. We traded Easter for MLK day the same way some years ago, and it actually worked to the advantage of the membership- more people get extra days off, and more people get extra pay for working the holiday... transit scheduling being what it is...

/agree....guys like Socio need something to hate or else they'd be forced to have to worry about the implications of their own actions on others. LoL - I knew this would happen though. I can't wait to see the reactions by Socio and the gang when the Somali's in the post below are deemed as "Jihadist" because they want to have Islamic religious holidays off. It's easier to find a target to hate without reason then to focus and focus on yourself.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...211926&highlight_key=y

I wonder how long will it take Socio to start another hate mongering, knee jerk, reactionary thread over nothing?

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Socio
This is just another sign showing how they would rather force their own way rather than assimilate to ours.

The company is free to do as they please. If Tyson thinks that Talk Like a Pirate Day is a valid holiday, it's their right to make it one. If an employee doesn't like like it, it's his right to leave. If a customer doesn't like it, it's his right to stop buying from Tyson. If a customer is a pirate and loves the idea, it's his right to tell his friends how great Tyson products are. If enough people boycott Tyson, they'll change their policies or go under. If enough people like the idea, more businesses will change their policies.

This is the whole point of our system. It's working beautifully.

<-Not a Muslim or a Tyson customer/employee

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Easter and Christmas got stale and over commercialized so time for new holidays anyway.

What kind of presents do you get for Eid al-Fitr?

You get $$$

Really, how much???

EID is like Christmas.

You can get $50 or $500 or $0. You can get a new T.V or you can end up with a toaster.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: shinerburke
This is good information to have. I can now mark Tyson products off my grocery list from now on.

Yes, Tyson should tell their Muslim workers they are second class people who do not deserve the right to have any say in majority decisions. You are a jerk, IMO.

And you're a holier than thou

And thus ends the accurate portion of your post.

Quisling who won't be happy until the Western culture is sold down the river just to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.

I think ol Alexis de Toqueville was thinking of you when he said:

"Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

It's ironic that you see my championing of freedom as attacking it.

It's too bad you are so confused that you are unable to understand that you are the bigot who wants to deny anyone different than you freedom - and you call doing so freedom.

The sophomoric quality of your post is given away by your slippery slope that this is on the road to 'selling Western culture down the river'.

I think that respecting diversity of religion is part of Western culture.

When you learn to put yourself in others' shoes and try to treat them like you want to be treated, perhaps you can join Western Culture, instead of the discrimination you call for.

But bonus points for de Toqueville, even if misusing him.

In return, first a quote from him countering yours:

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

And then, one for the OP and those who have such animosity towards the Muslim culture:

Those that despise people will never get the best out of others and themselves.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Socio
Plant Drops Labor Day For Muslim Holiday

Workers at the Tyson Foods poultry processing plant in Shelbyville will no longer have a paid day off on Labor Day but will instead be granted the Muslim holiday Eid al-Fitr.

According to a news release from the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, a new five-year contract at the plant included the change to accommodate Muslim workers at the plant.

This is just another sign showing how they would rather force their own way rather than assimilate to ours.

Labor Day commemorates the plight of workers and the struggle of labor unions to improve working conditions for American workers. Now these same unions are being used to aid Islamiization, and when Unions allow their power to be used in this manner it is time they be desolved.

What holiday will be next to be taken away and replaced to accommodate an immigrant's?

I for one will not by Tyson products again!

slow news day huh??