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They will keep finding ways to prevent people from it, then other people will find ways around it. There are too many people against it for them to control. Microsoft may seem like a huge corporation that have many resources, but the population of the world is much stronger.
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
I think that you are mistaken. MS is trying to force all of their corporate customers into their "Software assurance" licensing program, which is basically an annual subscription, rather than a per-SKU standlone license, that you "own" and doesn't need to be renewed every year in order to remain valid.
MS very, very much wants to force everyone to pay the "MS tax", and to be legally allowed to force their customers to do so on a regular basis.
So I hesitate to suggest that MS has in any way, "backed off" from those plans.
Actually they have backed off of it. Large companies have balked at it and while MS is still attempting to do it, they have indeed backed off. They had set many dates to eliminate the corporate one time cost in favor of subscriptions services, but companies as a whole are not going for it and have (many times) pushed off deploying updated versions of software and MS has relented. I know this first hand in my company which has site licenses for some 8000 seats.
Palladium was announced in 1998, and MS backed off it in 2002. They are now again trying to push it.
Palladium was announced in 1998, and MS backed off it in 2002. They are now again trying to push it.
They always have been trying to push it.
They figure it's the only way that they could get computers and commercial multimedia to play realy well together.
The RIAA-type guys are used to having lots of control, there whole business model revolves around marketing and controlling products.
For example look at the "Top 20" type mentality with music. They plan ahead on what albums and what artists will provide the most record sales. They say "So and so artist is projected to sell 10million records on the next album" so then they devote as much resources as they think are nessicary to try to reach this projection. Plan out airplay times and time slots for playing music. They will do different mixes for different types of radio stations. For instance if they want to play a song on a 'hard rock" type station they will emphisise the guitars and drums. The same song on a pop radio station may amplify the lyrics cleanly and maybe add a little digital/synth sounds into the mix, while on a soft rock station they may decide to soften the sound and maybe even eliminate a guitar solo and add some chimes.
Whatever they think will make it most appealing to the target audiance. And that's just a average rock band. That's why sometimes you buy a album the songs on the radio may sound quite a bit different then the songs on the album.
They do the same thing with every movies, and now it's getting more and more popular to do with games. (like let the stores have lots of copies of games, but not allow them to sell it until a certain date so that they can get a media add campaign going and sell as many as possible as quickly as possible and get as much hype going as possible.)
So these types of corporate entertainment guys are control freaks. (one of the main reason music/movies have gone down the f-ing tubes, IMO) The only people that can stand up to them and still have significant impact is places like walmart that are using their massive size and control over their stores to try to force the music industry to get album prices down to sane levels.
That's how they are used to it. They control the record outlets. They control the theaters. They control the TV stations. They control the radio stations. All pre-planned out thru interrelated contracts and governmnet regulation. (look up sometime how they broke internet radio. Remember it was getting popular? How many internet radio stations are popular now? They broke it by changing the regulations behind how they price advertisements and actor's salaries. They didn't make it illegal, they simply made it unprofitable. Now it's mostly subscription based stuff, if that.)
But PC's right now offer to much freedom for their users, which has retarded the growth of PC's as entertainment devices. It's to easy to steal web content. It's to easy to make your own music and produce and sell it. It's to easy to rip DVD's, and trade MP3's over the internet. And the DSL companies want to start pumping in 10mbit/s fiber optic lines into everybody house to break the cable compane's internet (and create another way to get TV-like entertainment into the house to break that monopoly too) and it's got the entertainment industry freaked. It'll take like 20minutes to copy a full length DVD over from one computer to another, even over the internet.
Well these are the guys that MS is trying to appeal to. Buy setting up "palladium", "trusted computing", and "drm" type stuff in the computer industry they are creating a system of control for computers. This way they can tailor the media to only play on one computer and one computer only. Patents will prevent people from selling/distributed third party programs without joint consent with MS and other regulating bodies to liscence the technology. The DMCA prevents people from breaking encryption protection scemes like they did with the DVDs.
This crap has been planned out for a long time now. I mean it's long term industry projections.
MS wants computers to be the main entertainment medium. (which is what is going to happen anyways. Everybody knows it.) They want their OS to be a integral part of the whole proccess (software over time gets commoditized. Expensive becomes cheap, cheap becomes free. For instance, try to sell a new web browser nowadays, see how far you get. the same thing is happenning to OSes.). The entertainment industry will fight the trends without properly means of control over the media they distribute. So on and so forth. So DRM is ment to provide a means to a end.
They figure it's the only way that they could get computers and commercial multimedia to play realy well together.
The RIAA-type guys are used to having lots of control, there whole business model revolves around marketing and controlling products.
For example look at the "Top 20" type mentality with music. They plan ahead on what albums and what artists will provide the most record sales. They say "So and so artist is projected to sell 10million records on the next album" so then they devote as much resources as they think are nessicary to try to reach this projection. Plan out airplay times and time slots for playing music. They will do different mixes for different types of radio stations. For instance if they want to play a song on a 'hard rock" type station they will emphisise the guitars and drums. The same song on a pop radio station may amplify the lyrics cleanly and maybe add a little digital/synth sounds into the mix, while on a soft rock station they may decide to soften the sound and maybe even eliminate a guitar solo and add some chimes.
Whatever they think will make it most appealing to the target audiance. And that's just a average rock band. That's why sometimes you buy a album the songs on the radio may sound quite a bit different then the songs on the album.
They do the same thing with every movies, and now it's getting more and more popular to do with games. (like let the stores have lots of copies of games, but not allow them to sell it until a certain date so that they can get a media add campaign going and sell as many as possible as quickly as possible and get as much hype going as possible.)
So these types of corporate entertainment guys are control freaks. (one of the main reason music/movies have gone down the f-ing tubes, IMO) The only people that can stand up to them and still have significant impact is places like walmart that are using their massive size and control over their stores to try to force the music industry to get album prices down to sane levels.
That's how they are used to it. They control the record outlets. They control the theaters. They control the TV stations. They control the radio stations. All pre-planned out thru interrelated contracts and governmnet regulation. (look up sometime how they broke internet radio. Remember it was getting popular? How many internet radio stations are popular now? They broke it by changing the regulations behind how they price advertisements and actor's salaries. They didn't make it illegal, they simply made it unprofitable. Now it's mostly subscription based stuff, if that.)
But PC's right now offer to much freedom for their users, which has retarded the growth of PC's as entertainment devices. It's to easy to steal web content. It's to easy to make your own music and produce and sell it. It's to easy to rip DVD's, and trade MP3's over the internet. And the DSL companies want to start pumping in 10mbit/s fiber optic lines into everybody house to break the cable compane's internet (and create another way to get TV-like entertainment into the house to break that monopoly too) and it's got the entertainment industry freaked. It'll take like 20minutes to copy a full length DVD over from one computer to another, even over the internet.
Well these are the guys that MS is trying to appeal to. Buy setting up "palladium", "trusted computing", and "drm" type stuff in the computer industry they are creating a system of control for computers. This way they can tailor the media to only play on one computer and one computer only. Patents will prevent people from selling/distributed third party programs without joint consent with MS and other regulating bodies to liscence the technology. The DMCA prevents people from breaking encryption protection scemes like they did with the DVDs.
This crap has been planned out for a long time now. I mean it's long term industry projections.
MS wants computers to be the main entertainment medium. (which is what is going to happen anyways. Everybody knows it.) They want their OS to be a integral part of the whole proccess (software over time gets commoditized. Expensive becomes cheap, cheap becomes free. For instance, try to sell a new web browser nowadays, see how far you get. the same thing is happenning to OSes.). The entertainment industry will fight the trends without properly means of control over the media they distribute. So on and so forth. So DRM is ment to provide a means to a end.
MrChad
Lifer
I haven't heard of Palladium being used for anything other than rights management for content (movies, music, etc.). Microsoft did toy around with the idea of thin clients and application service providers for their Office products a couple of years ago, but industry disinterest / backlash squashed the idea (I believe that this is what TonyRic is referring to). This is a separate issue from Microsoft's licensing changes (Software Assurance program that VirtualLarry mentioned), but MS licensing is far too confusing for me to comprehend and explain. 😛
Liscencing scemes are usually horrific. Seems to me that they are designed to give bean counters something to play around with and work out to try to save a buck, but probably never realy works out in their favor.
Dual CPU liscences for the servers? Or should we just buy 2 servers? Per-seat liscencing maybe? etc etc etc.
However MS is ok in comparision to some.
Check out IBM's various (read hundreds) of different liscencing scemes for different classes of hardware and software they developed over the years.
Liscencing per mips of performace is one thing they used for years and years. You buy a computer with a certain speed CPU. Now you can change out the microcode and get a faster CPU with just a phone call and a half hour of downtime. But that could bump you up to the next mips level, and it would make the software and support costs cost more. Also third party software would be more expensive too.
So intentionally you would buy a computer with maybe 16 cpus. But have only 4 active, because having all 16 going would cost to much, but allows you lots of overhead for future performance upgrades so that you don't have to buy a entire new computer when you need the faster speed.
And that's just one sceme, it replaced a different sceme, and has been replaced for a couple decades with something else equally convoluted.
MercenaryForHire
Lifer
Wait a minute, you were trying to download an MP3 from search engines? 😛
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