Typical politician hypocrisy

PokerGuy

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From this USA Today news article about the ABC News propaganda piece ...errr... I think they called it "town hall at the white house".

Aside from all the stuff about taxing health care benefits -- which is in itself hypocritical since Obama was against it during the campaign -- the one question from Dr. Devinsky was a good one.

Dr. Orrin Devinsky, a neurologist at the New York University Langone Medical Center, challenged Obama: What if the president's wife and daughters got sick? Would Obama promise that they would get only the services allowed under a new government insurance plan he's proposing. Obama wouldn't bite.

If "it's my family member, if it's my wife, if it's my children, if it's my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care," Obama said.

Ah yes, typical hypocrite. Basically, "I want to introduce major changes to the health care system. Those changes are going to be wonderful for everyone". Mr President, will you subject your family to the health care system brought about by these changes? "Oh no, the changes are meant for you peasants, not for important people like me and my family, silly ;)".

Just like with the school choice. "no vouchers, they destroy the public school system, everyone should go to public school!". Mr Pres, are your kids going to public school in DC? "quit asking stupid questions, public schools are for you plebs, not for patricians like us".
 

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His health care program may suck, but Steve Jobs (the Apple guy) just had a liver transplant on very short notice while others were on the list far longer. Today's system allowed him to circumvent it and move ahead.

The rich and powerful are always going to have an advantage over us, and Obama qualifies. It's nothing new, and it will apply in any system. That's just how it is.

Doesn't make me a fan of Obama's plan, but trying to make anyone say "I won't do what I can for my family" really doesn't prove anything.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: Robor
Is that what he said or is that what you think he said? :roll:

I included the quote of exactly what he said. If his program is as wonderful as he claims, the simple answer would be "yes".
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

His health care program may suck, but Steve Jobs (the Apple guy) just had a liver transplant on very short notice while others were on the list far longer. Today's system allowed him to circumvent it and move ahead.

The rich and powerful are always going to have an advantage over us, and Obama qualifies. It's nothing new, and it will apply in any system. That's just how it is.

Doesn't make me a fan of Obama's plan, but trying to make anyone say "I won't do what I can for my family" really doesn't prove anything.

No doubt money will always give you more options (whether that's fair when it comes to health care is another thread entirely), but it speaks volumes that he won't bind himself to the very program that he's touting for "the people". Not good enough for him, but good enough for everyone else.
 

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Robor
Is that what he said or is that what you think he said? :roll:

I included the quote of exactly what he said. If his program is as wonderful as he claims, the simple answer would be "yes".
It's not wonderful but what we have now isn't wonderful either. As it stands now any treatment me or my family gets is up to my HMO and I can assure you it won''t be the best, hopefully it would be adequate..hopefully.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Robor
Is that what he said or is that what you think he said? :roll:

I included the quote of exactly what he said. If his program is as wonderful as he claims, the simple answer would be "yes".
It's not wonderful but what we have now isn't wonderful either. As it stands now any treatment me or my family gets is up to my HMO and I can assure you it won''t be the best, hopefully it would be adequate..hopefully.

True, I don't think you'd get an argument from anyone on that one. I just find it very hypocritical to tout a major change/overhaul etc, tout it as a great thing, but then admit that you would not use it for your family.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Robor
Is that what he said or is that what you think he said? :roll:

I included the quote of exactly what he said. If his program is as wonderful as he claims, the simple answer would be "yes".
It's not wonderful but what we have now isn't wonderful either. As it stands now any treatment me or my family gets is up to my HMO and I can assure you it won''t be the best, hopefully it would be adequate..hopefully.

True, I don't think you'd get an argument from anyone on that one. I just find it very hypocritical to tout a major change/overhaul etc, tout it as a great thing, but then admit that you would not use it for your family.
Well it's great for those that don't have insurance. I still don't understand how it's going to affect me and my Health Insurance. Will Hospitals still be eating the costs of uninsured patients they have to treat thus passing the cost on to us who have Insurance?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: Robor
Is that what he said or is that what you think he said? :roll:

I included the quote of exactly what he said. If his program is as wonderful as he claims, the simple answer would be "yes".
It's not wonderful but what we have now isn't wonderful either. As it stands now any treatment me or my family gets is up to my HMO and I can assure you it won''t be the best, hopefully it would be adequate..hopefully.

True, I don't think you'd get an argument from anyone on that one. I just find it very hypocritical to tout a major change/overhaul etc, tout it as a great thing, but then admit that you would not use it for your family.
Well it's great for those that don't have insurance. I still don't understand how it's going to affect me and my Health Insurance. Will Hospitals still be eating the costs of uninsured patients they have to treat thus passing the cost on to us who have Insurance?

thats what im wondering. I'm all for everyone having insurance. i just wonder how its going to get paid and how its going to effect my insurance.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well it's great for those that don't have insurance. I still don't understand how it's going to affect me and my Health Insurance. Will Hospitals still be eating the costs of uninsured patients they have to treat thus passing the cost on to us who have Insurance?

thats what im wondering. I'm all for everyone having insurance. i just wonder how its going to get paid and how its going to effect my insurance.
Do they actually have a plan worked out yet?

 

DealMonkey

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Your interpretation of his quote is meaningless. Of course he wants the best care for his family and of course he has the money to make sure that happens. You honestly expect someone worth millions to eat Spaghetti-O's out of a can every night? WTF is wrong with you? Meanwhile, giving healthcare to those who have none, which is the entire point, is a huge improvement.
 

nageov3t

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didn't Obama promise health care for all Americans that is as good as the healthcare that senators get?
 

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At this time it is illegal to refuse to provide services for those who won't or can't pay for them. That means that a medicaid patient can (and they do) buy beer and cigs and anything they want and simply refuse the copay. When this happens the business is forced to eat the loss. I don't know why this would change. Government usually finds a way to pay then take back.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: loki8481
didn't Obama promise health care for all Americans that is as good as the healthcare that senators get?
What they have available to them from the Government or what they can afford themselves?
 

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Your interpretation of his quote is meaningless. Of course he wants the best care for his family and of course he has the money to make sure that happens. You honestly expect someone worth millions to eat Spaghetti-O's out of a can every night? WTF is wrong with you? Meanwhile, giving healthcare to those who have none, which is the entire point, is a huge improvement.

Of course he has the money to do it. He's a democratic politician.. He has freezers full of cash.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
From this USA Today news article about the ABC News propaganda piece ...errr... I think they called it "town hall at the white house".

Aside from all the stuff about taxing health care benefits -- which is in itself hypocritical since Obama was against it during the campaign -- the one question from Dr. Devinsky was a good one.

Dr. Orrin Devinsky, a neurologist at the New York University Langone Medical Center, challenged Obama: What if the president's wife and daughters got sick? Would Obama promise that they would get only the services allowed under a new government insurance plan he's proposing. Obama wouldn't bite.

If "it's my family member, if it's my wife, if it's my children, if it's my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care," Obama said.

Ah yes, typical hypocrite. Basically, "I want to introduce major changes to the health care system. Those changes are going to be wonderful for everyone". Mr President, will you subject your family to the health care system brought about by these changes? "Oh no, the changes are meant for you peasants, not for important people like me and my family, silly ;)".

Just like with the school choice. "no vouchers, they destroy the public school system, everyone should go to public school!". Mr Pres, are your kids going to public school in DC? "quit asking stupid questions, public schools are for you plebs, not for patricians like us".

Yes, the Obamas are millionaires who can afford the best health care available.

But what does that have to do with getting a national health care plan in place to provide for people who do not have any insurance?

 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: loki8481
didn't Obama promise health care for all Americans that is as good as the healthcare that senators get?
What they have available to them from the Government or what they can afford themselves?

this is just off the top of my head, but I could have sworn it was something along the lines of "as good as the health care plan that I get as a senator" or something like that.

Obama getting better health care than anyone else in the world just goes hand in hand with being president. he's rich, but he's not that rich.
 

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PokerGuy

Obama never promised the absolute best health care to everyone. Most fathers would want to provide beyond the means of their coverage if their kid needed it. Your faux outrage makes you look foolish.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Your interpretation of his quote is meaningless. Of course he wants the best care for his family and of course he has the money to make sure that happens. You honestly expect someone worth millions to eat Spaghetti-O's out of a can every night? WTF is wrong with you? Meanwhile, giving healthcare to those who have none, which is the entire point, is a huge improvement.

Of course he has the money to do it. He's a democratic politician.. He has freezers full of cash.

You just had to open your stupid mouth, didn't you?
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

His health care program may suck, but Steve Jobs (the Apple guy) just had a liver transplant on very short notice while others were on the list far longer. Today's system allowed him to circumvent it and move ahead.

The rich and powerful are always going to have an advantage over us, and Obama qualifies. It's nothing new, and it will apply in any system. That's just how it is.

Doesn't make me a fan of Obama's plan, but trying to make anyone say "I won't do what I can for my family" really doesn't prove anything.

Jobs was given the transplant due to the severity of his condition ..... not how long he was on the list.
 

Skitzer

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Your interpretation of his quote is meaningless. Of course he wants the best care for his family and of course he has the money to make sure that happens. You honestly expect someone worth millions to eat Spaghetti-O's out of a can every night? WTF is wrong with you? Meanwhile, giving healthcare to those who have none, which is the entire point, is a huge improvement.

Of course he has the money to do it. He's a democratic politician.. He has freezers full of cash.

I guess there's no chance of a thoughtful non partisan discussion while you're around.
Can't you keep that shit out of just one thread?
Go away troll!
 

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In many countries with nationalized health care, there is a premium private health care alternative for the rich. In our implementation of UHC, it is inevitable that such an option will be available to President Obama and the similarly wealthy. If the goal of UHC were to provide equal care to all, then this would be problematic. But the goal of UHC is to adequately care for the uninsured. Private premium health care does not contradict this goal.

(Do not take this as an endorsement for the President's health care proposal, which, like his economics, is undermined by corporate interests.)
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
At this time it is illegal to refuse to provide services for those who won't or can't pay for them. That means that a medicaid patient can (and they do) buy beer and cigs and anything they want and simply refuse the copay. When this happens the business is forced to eat the loss. I don't know why this would change. Government usually finds a way to pay then take back.

I think you're referring to life-threatening situations only. No doctor/hospital is obligated to give you a free nose-job.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Ah yes, typical hypocrite. Basically, "I want to introduce major changes to the health care system. Those changes are going to be wonderful for everyone". Mr President, will you subject your family to the health care system brought about by these changes? "Oh no, the changes are meant for you peasants, not for important people like me and my family, silly ;)".

Just like with the school choice. "no vouchers, they destroy the public school system, everyone should go to public school!". Mr Pres, are your kids going to public school in DC? "quit asking stupid questions, public schools are for you plebs, not for patricians like us".

are you the commy here? Why shouldn't a rich powerful man get the absolute best care for his family. This is how the world works. What is being proposed is a way to SAVE money AND create a safety net for the uninsured. You guys don't even understand how it works. There are doctors out there that only take CASH like 40k or 120k CASH. Those guys are gonna still be there when richie rich pokerguy gets sick or if you aren't richie rich then get in line with the rest. The world will never be perfect. Why do you hate rich people?
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: robphelan
I think you're referring to life-threatening situations only. No doctor/hospital is obligated to give you a free nose-job.

No. If you show up in the emergency room with a cough they have to see you. They might make you wait 6 hours but they will see you. No insurance covers nose jobs - why even bring shit like that up? It has nothing to do with anything.