kage69
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Seems a little off, no? I believe we'll eventually see that Florida's horrible numbers were actually worse, courtesy of DeSantis' suppression and cooking of the data.
Yeah, I really just mean, the unvaccinated will be triaged out first because they will be the most likely to die, because they are sicker with the higher probability of getting worse. I don't really think they should say "you are unvaccinated, but will likely live with oxygen, but this 95 year-old is vaccinated, needs a vent, so we are kicking you out."I was talking to that same brother (icu nurse) about triage. He's as sober as you can be about how bad it is here in central fl, but he's not sure it will reach Italy 2020 scenes. Then again nobody knows. Delta is different, but the older populations have vaccinated up mostly. That's why almost all the ICU patients he has are 50 or less.
If Delta had hit an unvaccinated population in 2020, we'd have dead bodies in streets. That's how bad it is in Florida even with almost all the oldsters vaccinated. Unfortunately countries like Iran with what, 2% vaccination? Are likely to be be seeing scenes like this.
He also doesn't see any way there'd ever be some preference for choosing a vaccinated person over unvaccinated, that's just now how it works. They choose people with a better chance of survival, and if a vaccinated person is just as sick as an unvaccinated person, other factors would be considered.
That said--the chances of those patients actually being vaccinated are pretty small. Almost none of his current ICU patients he's seen over the last few months are.
They can have them when they enact basic health measures.Guess who wants more Federal help???
Florida Requested 300 Ventilators From Feds as Delta Variant Skyrockets: Report
The request has made "to replace expended state stores," but it wasn't clear how the ventilators would be allocated across the state.
He's just never been to Nebraska, all that gray has 10 people in it.Seems a little off, no? I believe we'll eventually see that Florida's horrible numbers were actually worse, courtesy of DeSantis' suppression and cooking of the data.
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He's just never been to Nebraska, all that gray has 10 people in it.
When did the people that need the ventilators become a bargaining chip? That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.They can have them when they enact basic health measures.
This is the problem, republicans act like fucking toddlers, then the adults come and bail them out every time.
Agreed. Republicans using their base voters as pawns to destroy the healthcare system so that they can legislate the sale of the remains of the healthcare system to their friends is fucking criminal and evil.When did the people that need the ventilators become a bargaining chip? That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.
Northern Ohio is so much flatter than Nebraska or Kansas.Well, I've always maintained their state is too flat and they should feel bad about it.
And they're chock full of computer chips.Biden should reply to the ventilator request with "You sure? They make blips when they're plugged in."
Well, they started being used as political weapons in March of 2020.When did the people that need the ventilators become a bargaining chip? That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.
Guess who wants more Federal help???
Florida Requested 300 Ventilators From Feds as Delta Variant Skyrockets: Report
The request has made "to replace expended state stores," but it wasn't clear how the ventilators would be allocated across the state.
Demand that dick DeSantis drop the anti-mask EO before sendingGuess who wants more Federal help???
Florida Requested 300 Ventilators From Feds as Delta Variant Skyrockets: Report
The request has made "to replace expended state stores," but it wasn't clear how the ventilators would be allocated across the state.
When did the people that need the ventilators become a bargaining chip? That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.
"I have not heard about that, so I have to check to see if that's true or not," he told the station. "I would honestly doubt that that's true, but I'll look. We have a lot of stuff that we stockpiled over the last year and a half through the Department of Emergency Management. I have not had any requests across my desk. I haven't been notified of that."
The Feds sent the vents.
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U.S. government sends hundreds of ventilators to Florida as Covid surge continues
As of Tuesday, 14,787 people were hospitalized, 145 percent more than during the state's previous peak in July 2020, a state hospital group said.www.nbcnews.com
And of course DeSantis denied they were even needed:
Is it weird to anybody else that the two (R) Governors who have been most rabid against Federal involvement and most active in preventing safety measures by local authorities are now screaming out for the Feds to help them clean up their mess, while STILL trying to prevent locals from taking safety measures?
I agree with this, but that isn't what you comment said previously, hence why I said it was wrong. You said "they can have them WHEN they enact basic health measures." That means something completely different than what you just clarified.. I am glad to see that you explained your position, and you are not suggesting these people be used by the federal government as bargaining chips. That would put the federal government on the same disgusting, deplorable, immoral, and inhuman ledge the FL governor has been on this entire time.. Thanks for clarifying.Well, they started being used as political weapons in March of 2020.
But that is not what I'm talking about, not talking about punishing the state, I'm saying make them do the bare minimum to prevent people from needing the ventilators in the first place. You know an ounce of prevention is worth 10 pounds of treatment. Why should we let a piece of shit governor kill thousands while virtual signaling bullshit? Make no mistake, all the blood is currently on the hands of republican governors that have politized and blocked all health measures, and continue to do so. I'm sure Biden will send the vents, and in two more weeks they'll need more again, because DeathSentence will do less than nothing to improve the situation.
BTW, the lives of millions of children are about to put into harm's way by these fucking pieces of shit, and instead of doing anything to protect them he is threatening to pull pay from anyone that does attempt to protect them. So fuck you, and the fucking horse you rode in on.
I think he is saying risk some now to save many more in the future. You can't keep sending ventilators while the numbers of sick increases exponentially. You are essentially pissing them away.I agree with this, but that isn't what you comment said previously, hence why I said it was wrong. You said "they can have them WHEN they enact basic health measures." That means something completely different than what you just clarified.. I am glad to see that you explained your position, and you are not suggesting these people be used by the federal government as bargaining chips. That would put the federal government on the same disgusting, deplorable, immoral, and inhuman ledge the FL governor has been on this entire time.. Thanks for clarifying.
Funny, I have been noticing the one state anomaly for the past week. Yea, somebody is hiding data.Seems a little off, no? I believe we'll eventually see that Florida's horrible numbers were actually worse, courtesy of DeSantis' suppression and cooking of the data.
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If FL health officials went through DeSantis to get the ventilators he would stall or ignore the request.
He's just that kind of scumbag
So you agree with using these people lives as bargaining chips to hold the state government accountable? Because that is what you are saying.. Might as well word it like this: "We won't help you, no matter how many people die, until you do what we say". Sounds familiar, as we have been pretty much hearing this stuff coming from the right. Heck, we heard the same ideology when this virus first hit us, coming from the right. Which is something something fascism, isn't it, or what we have been labeling such ideology? Wouldn't that put us on the same level as Trump, FL and Texas Governor's etc. if that is really how we think we should be handling this? I thought we where better than that.. But apparently not.I think he is saying risk some now to save many more in the future. You can't keep sending ventilators while the numbers of sick increases exponentially. You are essentially pissing them away.
However one death could end this. Good idea?
