TX's Abbot and FL's DeSantis fan the flames of the pandemic

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kage69

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Seems a little off, no? I believe we'll eventually see that Florida's horrible numbers were actually worse, courtesy of DeSantis' suppression and cooking of the data.

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Zorba

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I was talking to that same brother (icu nurse) about triage. He's as sober as you can be about how bad it is here in central fl, but he's not sure it will reach Italy 2020 scenes. Then again nobody knows. Delta is different, but the older populations have vaccinated up mostly. That's why almost all the ICU patients he has are 50 or less.

If Delta had hit an unvaccinated population in 2020, we'd have dead bodies in streets. That's how bad it is in Florida even with almost all the oldsters vaccinated. Unfortunately countries like Iran with what, 2% vaccination? Are likely to be be seeing scenes like this.

He also doesn't see any way there'd ever be some preference for choosing a vaccinated person over unvaccinated, that's just now how it works. They choose people with a better chance of survival, and if a vaccinated person is just as sick as an unvaccinated person, other factors would be considered.

That said--the chances of those patients actually being vaccinated are pretty small. Almost none of his current ICU patients he's seen over the last few months are.
Yeah, I really just mean, the unvaccinated will be triaged out first because they will be the most likely to die, because they are sicker with the higher probability of getting worse. I don't really think they should say "you are unvaccinated, but will likely live with oxygen, but this 95 year-old is vaccinated, needs a vent, so we are kicking you out."
 

Zorba

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Zorba

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Seems a little off, no? I believe we'll eventually see that Florida's horrible numbers were actually worse, courtesy of DeSantis' suppression and cooking of the data.

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He's just never been to Nebraska, all that gray has 10 people in it.
 

NWRMidnight

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They can have them when they enact basic health measures.

This is the problem, republicans act like fucking toddlers, then the adults come and bail them out every time.
When did the people that need the ventilators become a bargaining chip? That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.
 

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When did the people that need the ventilators become a bargaining chip? That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.
Agreed. Republicans using their base voters as pawns to destroy the healthcare system so that they can legislate the sale of the remains of the healthcare system to their friends is fucking criminal and evil.
 
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Zorba

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When did the people that need the ventilators become a bargaining chip? That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.
Well, they started being used as political weapons in March of 2020.

But that is not what I'm talking about, not talking about punishing the state, I'm saying make them do the bare minimum to prevent people from needing the ventilators in the first place. You know an ounce of prevention is worth 10 pounds of treatment. Why should we let a piece of shit governor kill thousands while virtual signaling bullshit? Make no mistake, all the blood is currently on the hands of republican governors that have politized and blocked all health measures, and continue to do so. I'm sure Biden will send the vents, and in two more weeks they'll need more again, because DeathSentence will do less than nothing to improve the situation.

BTW, the lives of millions of children are about to put into harm's way by these fucking pieces of shit, and instead of doing anything to protect them he is threatening to pull pay from anyone that does attempt to protect them. So fuck you, and the fucking horse you rode in on.
 
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Guess who wants more Federal help???

Florida Requested 300 Ventilators From Feds as Delta Variant Skyrockets: Report

The request has made "to replace expended state stores," but it wasn't clear how the ventilators would be allocated across the state.

Didn’t that asshole say NY either shouldn’t have gotten the extra last year or should have to pay for them because NY managed the virus so poorly?
*or something similar*
I remember him saying something about New York and vents last year
 
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Is it weird to anybody else that the two (R) Governors who have been most rabid against Federal involvement and most active in preventing safety measures by local authorities are now screaming out for the Feds to help them clean up their mess, while STILL trying to prevent locals from taking safety measures?
 
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kage69

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When did the people that need the ventilators become a bargaining chip? That's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

When they elected magats to run their states. These are the people who think your grandparents and now kids need to suffer and possibly die to protect the economy. Being wrong on the matter is what they do.

Ventilators are a finite resource, it would make sense to see to them not being wasted on people who don't understand or care about prevention. I don't think they should be withheld, but they sure as hell should come with some conditions. DeSantis extracting his bulbous head from his ass would be at the top of the list.
 

Zorba

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The Feds sent the vents.


And of course DeSantis denied they were even needed:

"I have not heard about that, so I have to check to see if that's true or not," he told the station. "I would honestly doubt that that's true, but I'll look. We have a lot of stuff that we stockpiled over the last year and a half through the Department of Emergency Management. I have not had any requests across my desk. I haven't been notified of that."
 

trenchfoot

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DeSantis and Abbot are Trump clones that, like Trump, have put their political aspirations ahead of the lives lost due to their personal agendas. History, in all of its glaring nakedness and objectivity will point to people like Trump, Abbot, DeSantis and their supporters as the murderous opportunists that they are.

They have no moral and ethical compass to guide their behavior. Instead, they mask themselves behind the façade of religious piety, the pursuit of "free will" and being the proponents of "family values" while they practice nothing of what they preach. Fraudulence, projecting and hypocrisy are their stock in trade as they cannot rely on honesty and truthfulness to further their efforts toward what will ultimately be, minority party rule.
 

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The Feds sent the vents.


And of course DeSantis denied they were even needed:


Hold it..

Somefuckingdumbassitdiot started a whole thread on how Jen Psaki is the worst press secretary when she says she will need to get back to you but when others do it he keeps his fucking mouth shut about it.
 
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HomerJS

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If FL health officials went through DeSantis to get the ventilators he would stall or ignore the request.

He's just that kind of scumbag
 
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Florida continues to set records.

"The state reset its record for current COVID-19 hospitalizations for the 11th consecutive day, this time at 15,449, an increase of 280 over Tuesday’s report. That accounts for 28% of all hospitalizations among the 232 hospitals reporting. As for patients per hospital reporting, that’s now at 66.6, a slight edge up from Tuesday’s 65.7.

The intensive care units at those hospitals have 3,114 COVID-19 patients, the HHS said, 54 more than Tuesday. That’s 47.6% of all ICU patients in reporting Florida facilities. The ICU patients per hospital edged from 13.2 to 13.4."

 

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Is it weird to anybody else that the two (R) Governors who have been most rabid against Federal involvement and most active in preventing safety measures by local authorities are now screaming out for the Feds to help them clean up their mess, while STILL trying to prevent locals from taking safety measures?


Weird? No. Awful? Yes.

It's par for the course, standard GOP as far as I can tell. I've been voting for 35 years and some things don't change.

Unfortunately the death numbers are about to really kick up in the next few weeks based on ICU conditions (at least from my eyes on the inside in a couple hospitals). Not a lot of antibody treatments to be had, and that mostly helps long before you need the ICU anyway. My brother has to care for these people, and as he puts it--once you are sick enough to go on a vent, your chances are not that great. What a fucking terrible way to die, alone and drowning for days on end.

As I said before, he pointed out that ICU numbers can be misleading depending on the region you are looking at. If hospital A is slammed and hospital B is empty, it's not very helpful when they are hundreds of miles apart. What really matters is, are nearby hospitals able to take the extras. Right now, no they can't in his area.
 
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Well, they started being used as political weapons in March of 2020.

But that is not what I'm talking about, not talking about punishing the state, I'm saying make them do the bare minimum to prevent people from needing the ventilators in the first place. You know an ounce of prevention is worth 10 pounds of treatment. Why should we let a piece of shit governor kill thousands while virtual signaling bullshit? Make no mistake, all the blood is currently on the hands of republican governors that have politized and blocked all health measures, and continue to do so. I'm sure Biden will send the vents, and in two more weeks they'll need more again, because DeathSentence will do less than nothing to improve the situation.

BTW, the lives of millions of children are about to put into harm's way by these fucking pieces of shit, and instead of doing anything to protect them he is threatening to pull pay from anyone that does attempt to protect them. So fuck you, and the fucking horse you rode in on.
I agree with this, but that isn't what you comment said previously, hence why I said it was wrong. You said "they can have them WHEN they enact basic health measures." That means something completely different than what you just clarified.. I am glad to see that you explained your position, and you are not suggesting these people be used by the federal government as bargaining chips. That would put the federal government on the same disgusting, deplorable, immoral, and inhuman ledge the FL governor has been on this entire time.. Thanks for clarifying.
 

HomerJS

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I agree with this, but that isn't what you comment said previously, hence why I said it was wrong. You said "they can have them WHEN they enact basic health measures." That means something completely different than what you just clarified.. I am glad to see that you explained your position, and you are not suggesting these people be used by the federal government as bargaining chips. That would put the federal government on the same disgusting, deplorable, immoral, and inhuman ledge the FL governor has been on this entire time.. Thanks for clarifying.
I think he is saying risk some now to save many more in the future. You can't keep sending ventilators while the numbers of sick increases exponentially. You are essentially pissing them away.

However one death could end this. Good idea?
 
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hal2kilo

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Seems a little off, no? I believe we'll eventually see that Florida's horrible numbers were actually worse, courtesy of DeSantis' suppression and cooking of the data.

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Funny, I have been noticing the one state anomaly for the past week. Yea, somebody is hiding data.
 

kage69

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If FL health officials went through DeSantis to get the ventilators he would stall or ignore the request.

He's just that kind of scumbag

He'd probably make sure they went to the hospitals around his wealthy gated community friends, some more preferential treatment like with the beginning of the vaccine rollout.

Scumbag and a coward, look at him deny knowing anything about it. I'd be so ashamed if I were a Floridian who voted for him. To be complicit in enabling this monumental douchebag getting to let so many people get worked over and/or killed by a preventable disease. Wow. Would be hard to carry that around.
 

NWRMidnight

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I think he is saying risk some now to save many more in the future. You can't keep sending ventilators while the numbers of sick increases exponentially. You are essentially pissing them away.

However one death could end this. Good idea?
So you agree with using these people lives as bargaining chips to hold the state government accountable? Because that is what you are saying.. Might as well word it like this: "We won't help you, no matter how many people die, until you do what we say". Sounds familiar, as we have been pretty much hearing this stuff coming from the right. Heck, we heard the same ideology when this virus first hit us, coming from the right. Which is something something fascism, isn't it, or what we have been labeling such ideology? Wouldn't that put us on the same level as Trump, FL and Texas Governor's etc. if that is really how we think we should be handling this? I thought we where better than that.. But apparently not.
 
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