TX's Abbot and FL's DeSantis fan the flames of the pandemic

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hal2kilo

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Remember those Governors are killing their own people not any out of state healthcare workers that refuse to help.

BTW - anyone notice we haven't heard any public statements from the top heath officials in Florida and Texas?
They aren't in prison for the application of science yet?
 

Zorba

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Don't worry Stitt wants in on the dumbfuckery:

"This is about personal responsibility. This is about freedom," Stitt said. "And so, nothing in the legislation last year prevents a parent from sending their child to school with a mask on or prevents anyone from having their child under 12 get vaccinated. The difference is we're not going to mandate that somebody else has to send their 4-year-old to school with a mask or someone else has to get their 4-year-old vaccinated."

 

fskimospy

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Don't worry Stitt wants in on the dumbfuckery:

"This is about personal responsibility. This is about freedom," Stitt said. "And so, nothing in the legislation last year prevents a parent from sending their child to school with a mask on or prevents anyone from having their child under 12 get vaccinated. The difference is we're not going to mandate that somebody else has to send their 4-year-old to school with a mask or someone else has to get their 4-year-old vaccinated."

'This is about freedom - we aren't going to force someone to get their 4-year-old vaccinated*'

*please note this is not about freedom from vaccination for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, PCV, influenza, chicken pox, polio, hep A, and hep B, which you do not have.
 

Roger Wilco

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Florida continues to break records.

"Florida now has over 15,000 COVID hospitalizations and 3,000 in ICU, federal HHS says."

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HHS reported 15,169 inpatient beds in use for COVID-19, an increase of 1,192 from Monday’s report. And that statistical leap came from 231 hospitals, 20 fewer than were reporting to HHS the previous day. So the average number of COVID-19 patients per hospital shot from 55.7 to 65.7.

That represents 27.6% of the hospital patients in those 231 hospitals. Nationally, 10.1% of patients are hospitalized for COVID."

 

Zorba

Lifer
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'This is about freedom - we aren't going to force someone to get their 4-year-old vaccinated*'

*please note this is not about freedom from vaccination for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, PCV, influenza, chicken pox, polio, hep A, and hep B, which you do not have.
And forgetting that a 4 year-old can't be vaccinated ATM.
 

Fenixgoon

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Florida continues to break records.

"Florida now has over 15,000 COVID hospitalizations and 3,000 in ICU, federal HHS says."

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HHS reported 15,169 inpatient beds in use for COVID-19, an increase of 1,192 from Monday’s report. And that statistical leap came from 231 hospitals, 20 fewer than were reporting to HHS the previous day. So the average number of COVID-19 patients per hospital shot from 55.7 to 65.7.

That represents 27.6% of the hospital patients in those 231 hospitals. Nationally, 10.1% of patients are hospitalized for COVID."

Don't worry, Florida is doing just fine according to this washington examiner op-ed. It's not like DeSantis has pushed back against measures that we know work against slowing or halting the spread.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Don't worry, Florida is doing just fine according to this washington examiner op-ed. It's not like DeSantis has pushed back against measures that we know work against slowing or halting the spread.
We are now at war with Oceana.
 

fskimospy

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Don't worry, Florida is doing just fine according to this washington examiner op-ed. It's not like DeSantis has pushed back against measures that we know work against slowing or halting the spread.
All those hospital beds were just sitting there empty, now they can be put to good use. Free from the tyranny of required vaccination the people of Florida can live free AND die!
 
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Stokely

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Yeah, well some places in Florida might be doing well. Some places are not. My brother just worked in such a place, they made him drive an hour to a different hospital being hit hard (Palm bay). 30 to 50 year olds mostly, his normal hospital has an older population and they aren't as busy--because older people are more likely to have the vaccine. Palm bay is short staffed, nurses are tired of this shit. Taking care of people that are prolonging this situation is really tough, he said. People are reaching the point where they can't do it anymore.

ICU beds are also misleading. Counting every bed in the state doesn't account for podunk places where you never transfer people to--what matters is how many beds you have in an area that a sick person can actually reach. Many places have a really low population and they aren't having issues, but they do have beds (though if it does hit hard there, they can have worse issues because they are so far away from other hospitals.) Secondly, you have to have staff, the bed itself can't do much.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
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Florida continues to break records.

"Florida now has over 15,000 COVID hospitalizations and 3,000 in ICU, federal HHS says."

"
HHS reported 15,169 inpatient beds in use for COVID-19, an increase of 1,192 from Monday’s report. And that statistical leap came from 231 hospitals, 20 fewer than were reporting to HHS the previous day. So the average number of COVID-19 patients per hospital shot from 55.7 to 65.7.

That represents 27.6% of the hospital patients in those 231 hospitals. Nationally, 10.1% of patients are hospitalized for COVID."

The US needs to start admitting that Triage is coming, if it hasn't already started. We never admitted to it last winter, even though it was happening. Maybe if people realize that they aren't guaranteed treatment they'll actually get the shot.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The US needs to start admitting that Triage is coming, if it hasn't already started. We never admitted to it last winter, even though it was happening. Maybe if people realize that they aren't guaranteed treatment they'll actually get the shot.
I'd go one step further and say that anyone who didn't get the vaccine willingly (as in, no good reason to not have the vaccine) gets triaged out first. I'm not as nice as most though.
 

Zorba

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I'd go one step further and say that anyone who didn't get the vaccine willingly (as in, no good reason to not have the vaccine) gets triaged out first. I'm not as nice as most though.
I agree, they are the least likely to survive, that's just proper triage.
 
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Good luck explaining why you triaged out a unvaccinated 13 year old and kept a vaccinated 90 year old.
I get what you guys are saying it just won’t work that way. Let the professionals who are on site decide.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Good luck explaining why you triaged out a unvaccinated 13 year old and kept a vaccinated 90 year old.
I get what you guys are saying it just won’t work that way. Let the professionals who are on site decide.
I probably should have caveated that with 'anyone who can/should be getting the vaccine themselves'. A 17-year old though? Yeah that one might be on the hook. Hope that young blood wins out!
 
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I probably should have caveated that with 'anyone who can/should be getting the vaccine themselves'. A 17-year old though? Yeah that one might be on the hook. Hope that young blood wins out!

I get the point, I just don’t agree with it.
I am for those who choose to remain unvaccinated paying for at least a portion of their care.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I get the point, I just don’t agree with it.
I am for those who choose to remain unvaccinated paying for at least a portion of their care.
Should a vaccinated person die because an unvaccinated person who still denies COVID exists is taking up a bed?
 
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Should a vaccinated person die because an unvaccinated person who still denies COVID exists is taking up a bed?

Let the experts decide whom gets treatment.
Without pretending to be an expert on the subject I assume the vaccinated person already has a higher chance of a good outcome.
 

Stokely

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I was talking to that same brother (icu nurse) about triage. He's as sober as you can be about how bad it is here in central fl, but he's not sure it will reach Italy 2020 scenes. Then again nobody knows. Delta is different, but the older populations have vaccinated up mostly. That's why almost all the ICU patients he has are 50 or less.

If Delta had hit an unvaccinated population in 2020, we'd have dead bodies in streets. That's how bad it is in Florida even with almost all the oldsters vaccinated. Unfortunately countries like Iran with what, 2% vaccination? Are likely to be be seeing scenes like this.

He also doesn't see any way there'd ever be some preference for choosing a vaccinated person over unvaccinated, that's just now how it works. They choose people with a better chance of survival, and if a vaccinated person is just as sick as an unvaccinated person, other factors would be considered.

That said--the chances of those patients actually being vaccinated are pretty small. Almost none of his current ICU patients he's seen over the last few months are.
 

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The health care systems here in Portland just hit the alarm bell. They are projecting that the state of OR is going to have a 400-500 bed shortage by Labor Day with the way current trends are going.
 

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From one my my favorite bloggers who also does pictures. Seems fitting.
 

kage69

Lifer
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Ron DeSantis is a fookin joke. Florida deaths now exceed his margin of victory btw.

Biden should reply to the ventilator request with "You sure? They make blips when they're plugged in."