TX's Abbot and FL's DeSantis fan the flames of the pandemic

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Stokely

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It's becoming (more) obvious to me that there are certain states rational people shouldn't live in. I'm in one. Not that there aren't mouthbreathers everywhere, but once they reach a certain density you get Desantis and Abbot and whatever the hell is wrong with Missouri.

I can't wait until I finally move north after a whole life lived in the south, albeit in mostly-sane pockets of it. And yes I realize Missouri is "north" so it'll be a little more directed than just "go up."
 

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It's becoming (more) obvious to me that there are certain states rational people shouldn't live in. I'm in one. Not that there aren't mouthbreathers everywhere, but once they reach a certain density you get Desantis and Abbot and whatever the hell is wrong with Missouri.

I can't wait until I finally move north after a whole life lived in the south, albeit in mostly-sane pockets of it. And yes I realize Missouri is "north" so it'll be a little more directed than just "go up."
They've gone off the rails also, in case you had not noticed.
 

Stokely

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I have, to the point where I'm calling it out. There's a few places I consider worse than where I am (taking a state as a whole), Missouri is one.
 

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Kentucky didn't re-elect Bevin by an incredibly small margin. I have no doubt he'd be making the same decisions as Abbot or DeSantis. Our wheels were already in motion to move to Oregon before Beshear was elected. If that election went a little different KY would be in the same situation as Florida.

I'm happy to live in OR with a governor that actually acts as an adult.
 
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dainthomas

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Kentucky didn't re-elect Bevin by an incredibly small margin. I have no doubt he'd be making the same decisions as Abbot or DeSantis. Our wheels were already in motion to move to Oregon before Beshear was elected. If that election went a little different KY would be in the same situation as Florida.

I'm happy to live in OR with a governor that actually acts as an adult.

Same here. We still have the loud, obnoxious antimask/vax minority but fortunately they're a small enough percentage that they can be ignored (by statewide office holders). So their influence is pretty much limited to flooding Facebook with pictures of Brown's face on Hitler's body.
 

kitkat22

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Sigh, we are getting beat up in our system. Went from 70 to 110 covid patients in a week. 🤕

There's way too many end of life discussions going on.
 

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The argument about freedom to drink, but not drive and harm others is pretty good.
 

Stokely

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Hell yeah, take that you POS Desantis. He won't really mind though, now he'll be a downtrodden martyr of freedom in the eyes of half the state.

Hopefully all the counties with people that have brain cells will join the current crew in flipping off that moron. And, you know, taking a measure to try to keep kids and staff (and people they enounter) safe.
 
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Judge blocks Florida governor’s order banning mask mandates

"For example, he said, adults have the right to drink alcohol but not to drive drunk. There is a right to free speech, but not to harass or threaten others or yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, he said.

"We don’t have that right because exercising the right in that way is harmful or potentially harmful to other people," Cooper said. He added that the law "is full of examples of rights that are limited (when) the good of others ... would be adversely affected by those rights.”'

Should not have to take a judicial ruling to point out something so obvious to anyone with an iota of sense.
 

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"For example, he said, adults have the right to drink alcohol but not to drive drunk. There is a right to free speech, but not to harass or threaten others or yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, he said.

"We don’t have that right because exercising the right in that way is harmful or potentially harmful to other people," Cooper said. He added that the law "is full of examples of rights that are limited (when) the good of others ... would be adversely affected by those rights.”'

Should not have to take a judicial ruling to point out something so obvious to anyone with an iota of sense.

"Your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins" - Oliver Wendell Holmes
 

HomerJS

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"For example, he said, adults have the right to drink alcohol but not to drive drunk. There is a right to free speech, but not to harass or threaten others or yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, he said.

"We don’t have that right because exercising the right in that way is harmful or potentially harmful to other people," Cooper said. He added that the law "is full of examples of rights that are limited (when) the good of others ... would be adversely affected by those rights.”'

Should not have to take a judicial ruling to point out something so obvious to anyone with an iota of sense.
I put up a poll asking this very question. Last count 9 people voted for their own personal liberty vs possibly killing others. I asked them for a justification for that vote and only 1 spoke up.
 

woolfe9998

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I put up a poll asking this very question. Last count 9 people voted for their own personal liberty vs possibly killing others. I asked them for a justification for that vote and only 1 spoke up.

Eh, that poll presented a false dichotomy, which is why I didn't even vote in it. If I said "safety" instead of "personal liberty," does that mean I would support instituting martial law to save 2 people's lives? The issue just doesn't lend itself to that kind of extreme polarization. Sorry, flawed poll.
 

HomerJS

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Eh, that poll presented a false dichotomy, which is why I didn't even vote in it. If I said "safety" instead of "personal liberty," does that mean I would support instituting martial law to save 2 people's lives? The issue just doesn't lend itself to that kind of extreme polarization. Sorry, flawed poll.
How is it false when that is EXACTLY the choice?
 

woolfe9998

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How is it false when that is EXACTLY the choice?

What is "exactly the choice?"

The question is really this: how much personal liberty would you sacrifice for how much public or personal safety? Instead, you frame it as, you're either on one side or the other entirely, meaning no matter which way you vote, you are saying you don't support the other at all. That is a false dichotomy because I might choose safety in one case but personal liberty in another, depending on the particulars.

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The false dilemma is thinking that it's the mask wearer that's gaining the safety. It's not. It's about the other people around you. Me wearing a mask protects *YOU* from me. So this whole line of personal liberty for safety doesn't even work that way.
 

woolfe9998

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What if I support mask mandates and vaccine mandates but I don't want the police state surveillance system they used in South Korea to effectively contain the virus? Which side am I on?
 

woolfe9998

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The reductio ad absurdum one.

You do know that reductio ad absurdum is not a logical fallacy but a way to use an extreme scenario to expose someone else's fallacy, right?

You want something less extreme? What if I support mask mandates in stores and restaurants but not schools? Which category am I in?
 

dainthomas

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You do know that reductio ad absurdum is not a logical fallacy but a way to use an extreme scenario to expose someone else's fallacy, right?

You want something less extreme? What if I support mask mandates in stores and restaurants but not schools? Which category am I in?

The inconsistent one. You might as well say "I support masks in Mexican restaurants, but not Italian ones."

The first question is obviously why? From interviews and social media posts I've seen, the overwhelming majority of kids don't mind wearing masks and understand the reason why. The only ones freaking out are their overbearing helicopter parents showing up at school board meetings and having completely unhinged public freakouts.

If I were a student, that would traumatize me way more than a piece of cloth on my face. (Just from embarrassment).