pics?
http://www.10percent.org/condoms.html
Condoms must be used consistently and correctly to provide maximum protection. Consistent use means using a condom with each act of intercourse. Correct condom use includes all of the following steps:
-Use a new condom for each act of vaginal, anal, or oral intercourse.
-Put on the condom as soon as erection occurs and before any vaginal, anal, or oral contact with the penis.
-Hold the tip of the condom and unroll it onto the erect penis, leaving space at the tip of the condom, yet ensuring that no air is trapped in the condom's tip.
-Adequate lubrication is important to prevent condom breakage, but use only water-based lubricants, such as glycerine or lubricating jellies (which can be purchased at any pharmacy). Oil-based lubricants, such as petroleum jelly, cold cream, hand lotion, or baby oil, can weaken the condom.
-Withdraw from the partner immediately after ejaculation, holding the condom firmly to the base of the penis to keep it from slipping off.
Condoms are classified as medical devices in the USA. The standards are set by the FDA:
http://www.avert.org/condoms.htm
"How are condoms tested?
In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates condoms to ensure their safety and effectiveness. Different countries have different regulatory agencies. For example, condoms in Europe that have been properly tested and approved should carry the CE Mark. Elsewhere in the world, you can find that condoms are ISO approved. Also, individual countries may have their own approval marks for condoms, for example, the Kitemark in the UK.
In the US, each condom is electronically tested for holes and defects.21 Also, condom manufacturers sample each lot of finished packaged condoms and visually examine them for holes using a water leak test. Condom manufacturers also tests lots for physical characteristics using the air burst test and the tensile (strength) test.
The FDA, for example, recognises domestic and international standards that specify that the rate of sampled condoms failing the water leak test, for each manufacturing lot of condoms, be less than 1 condom in 400.
http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/tips/condeff.html
Condoms are classified as medical devices and are regulated by the Food and Drug Administration. Each latex condom manufactured in the United States is tested for defects, including holes, before it is packaged, and several studies clearly show that condom breakage rates in this country are less than 2 percent. One study showed that even when condoms do break, more than half of such breaks occurred prior to ejaculation.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
pics?
sorry i throw them away... not like i keep them in the trophy case... tho maybe i should.
if i had a digital camera i'd show you the wrappers but that isn't much proof i guess. though there is a video on the internet that could attest to my claims... no i won't tell you where so don't ask.
Wrong. Test procedures have been written by standards organizations. The FDA has adopted the ASTM testing procedure:
The FDA currently uses the ASTM standard for condoms as a basis for audits of manufacturers, product recalls and injunctions against manufacturers, but is considering using some elements of the ISO standard. Many developing countries rely on the ISO standard and WHO specifications for testing condoms that are entering their countries. For example, India and Indonesia have adopted the WHO specifications as their basis for regulating imports.
While latex condom standards among the major standards and specifications are becoming more uniform, there are still significant differences...
The Latex Condom: Recent Advances, Future Directions - Chapter 5: Standards, Specifications and Tests
Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
Originally posted by: aidanjm
pics?
sorry i throw them away... not like i keep them in the trophy case... tho maybe i should.
if i had a digital camera i'd show you the wrappers but that isn't much proof i guess. though there is a video on the internet that could attest to my claims... no i won't tell you where so don't ask.
Lol, I was only joking. Maybe you should switch to "extra large" size.
I.e., the FDA establishes (through it's rulings or decisions or whatever) the legal standards for condom manufacture in the USA. If the ASTM changed its standards overnight, those new standards wouldn't automatically apply to condom manufacture in the US. The FDA would no doubt review the changes to the ASTM guidelines, and decide whether or not to adopt any changes. It is the FDA that has ultimate authority.
It's interesting that the only time you respond to my posts is when you think you can "get" me on a minor technical point (like the above). I've asked you several times if you think PP is a for-profit corporation with the goal of generating income for its shareholders. Why won't you answer this question?
From Riprorin's link:
Drawbacks to the airburst test
The air burst test has several drawbacks. First, because it inflates the entire condom, the condom breaks when its weakest point gives way to the air pressure. If this is in the thinnest part of the condom, the test is not sensitive to defects in the thicker regions of the condom, which might receive more pressure during intercourse. For example, for condoms that are manufactured with thicker latex at the closed end, the air burst test may not be sensitive to weaknesses there and hence, not predictive of breakage in human use. Several unpublished studies have found that while a batch of condoms can have very low breakage rates in use, the batch may have a relatively poor air burst performance.
The air burst test protocols exempt the portion of the condom very close to the open end, but the air burst test might be more predictive of breakage if it focused more directly on the closed end. A better test might be the so-called "short-stem" air burst test, which blows air into a smaller part of the condom near the closed end.
If the ASTM changed it's standards tonight, would those new standards automatically apply to condom manufacture? No. The information in your link is not consistent with what you are arguing. The FDA is thinking of adopting elements of the ISO standard, i.e., the FDA is free to pick and choose elements from the testing protocols advocated by the various organisations working in this area. It is the FDA's final decision or ruling that will have legal standing.
Rip are you actually gonna tell me you hate planned parenthood? cause all you posts are they did this and that and teh other thing............. do you have a wife or girlfriend that gets FREE BC from them, do you know how great it is that there is an organisation out there is actually trying to help prevent unwanted pregnancies?
sh!t happens, that sucks, move on....
sh!t happens, that sucks, move on....
I'm not sure what you are trying to argue. The FDA is a regulatory agency. The FDA is using test procedures written by ASTM as "a basis for audits of manufacturers, product recalls, and injunctions against manufacturers" to make sure that condoms are safe.
i think he is curious as to why you post so much hate about a group who is attempting to curtail the misery and suffering of human beings "accidentally" born into this world.
sure abstinance is fun, but lets not act like all people are going to not have sex. and for those people that do have sex, planned parenthood is a place for free education and products to help prevent unwanted pregnancy. yes, abortion does exist in many PP clinics and as a route but thats not because of some great political motivation or moral desire to "murder" but because it is an option and denying a thinking adult with an option flys in the face of what their purpose is as a place to help educate.
he is not suggesting it is beyond scrutiny...just that you seemed to have a personal vendetta against them.
My initial comment: Condoms are classified as medical devices in the USA. The standards are set by the FDA.
The above is correct. The FDA regulates condom manufacture under the Medical Device Amendments of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. It is the FDA that gives legal standing to a given set of testing protocols or requirements. The FDA decides on that set of protocol or requirements after a process of review conducted by FDA scientists. It is not simply a case of FDA administrators rubber stamping anything the ASTM or ISO comes up with. The FDA also mandates certain packaging requirements and the provision of certain information on the labels of condom packing. My comment stands.
It's so interesting to me that you will expend energy on some minor point, but studiously refrain from addressing the many relevant questions people put to you.
3chordcharlie
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If I'm not mistaken, there has been a trend towards fewer doctors and clinics willing to provide abortions in the same period - I'm not sure what portion of total abortions in the US are performed by PP, but assuming it isn't consistently a large majority, the 'ratio' could easily shift like this not because of a change in PP's policy, but because of a change in the policy of other medical service providers, leading more pregnant women who have already decided to have an abortion to go to PP to have it performed.
I agree, but there isn't much factual data in the report, other than that one of the condoms showed (IIRC) an 18% breakage rate before 25L inflation. This doesn't necessarily equate to an 18% breakage rate in normal use of course, but it does sound high. I don't think the report is particularly well put together, but it should serve as a reminder to seek out good information about things that matter to you. I wouldn't call this report 'good information', but it is a starting point.
Riprorin, are you like a late-term that survived or something? I've never seen anyone climb up a womans' vagina like you do. Give it a rest
well put
well put, i never mensioned that pp should not be put under scrutiny
i don't think RIP has ever had a girlfriend, fiance, or wife who gets bc from PP, you would be surprised how many women in college towns prefer to get bc through PP than through a family doctor. PP is also a non-profit organisation, i also don't think they get money from the governemnt anymore like they did under clinton. so in general when i'm there with my wive i give what i can, but i don't make that much money cause i'm still in grad school, so its not ever a whole lot, enough to cover the BC and a few bucks extra
well put, i never mensioned that pp should not be put under scrutiny
i don't think RIP has ever had a girlfriend, fiance, or wife who gets bc from PP, you would be surprised how many women in college towns prefer to get bc through PP than through a family doctor. PP is also a non-profit organisation, i also don't think they get money from the governemnt anymore like they did under clinton. so in general when i'm there with my wive i give what i can, but i don't make that much money cause i'm still in grad school, so its not ever a whole lot, enough to cover the BC and a few bucks extra
He does have a rather morbid fascination with abortion. When's the last time he posted a thread that wasn't about abortion or AIDS?
Phoenix86
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I expect people to take personal responsibility for thier actions. If that happened I would feel sad for them, and place no blame of PP unless it was proven they were intentional distributing faulty condoms. I don't see that here.
aidanjm, Thanks for the relevant info.
Finally, Rip, it seems you have a problem with the FDA standards, not PP. PP is following the standard, if the standard is suspect (nothing in the thread states that, unless I missed something) that's the FDAs fault. Direct your hate mongering where it belongs at least.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the standards are set by the FDA".
Standards organizations like ASTM, ISO, INCITS, etc. produce standards. The standards are written by committee members and go through an approval process. Members are oraganized by "producers", "users", and "general interest". A certain balance has to be maintained.
For condoms, the FDA adopted the testing procedure developed by ASTM.
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