Two Philadelphia police officers charged in beating of motor scooter rider

JEDIYoda

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So that begs the question -- a few bad apples??
So you put a few bad apples into a basket with good apples...eventually the good apples will turn bad.....

Folks....it should be obvious even to our staunch Police defenders that there is a real problem in the United States!! The problem is not civilians disobeying or choosing to disobey what a Policeman tells them to do!!

The problem is that Police have been given a free ride that even the courts will take a Policeman`s word over regular persons word.

You need to record and videotape all your dealings with the Police!!

Plain and simple -- CYA!!

Thank God the man had an intelligent girlfriend.....

I know, I know...move along peeps..nothing to see here!! Just more Police corruption!!


http://news.yahoo.com/two-philadelphia-police-officers-charged-brutality-motorist-162556151.html

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A grand jury has criminally charged two Philadelphia police officers with knocking a man from his motor scooter, beating him and then falsely accusing him of assault, in the latest case of alleged police misconduct in the United States.

Officers Sean McKnight, 30, and Kevin Robinson, 26, were charged with aggravated assault and related offenses in the May 2013 incident which occurred after a traffic stop in a gritty section of north Philadelphia, said Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams.

The victim, Najee Rivera, said he fled in fear on his scooter after officers exited their vehicle with their batons extended. That, according to Williams, enraged the pursuing officers.

One of them hit Rivera in the head with a baton as their patrol car knocked him off his scooter, prosecutors said.

Rivera was hospitalized with a fractured orbital bone and numerous lacerations to the head. But McKnight and Robinson filed paperwork claiming Rivera attacked them.

Rivera's girlfriend, however, had canvassed the area of the beating, and turned up surveillance video of the beating.

“The video undermined every aspect of the officers' account,” Williams told reporters at a news conference on Thursday. “None of it was true except for the blows inflicted on Najee Rivera.”

The police brutality charges come after months of nationwide protests over what demonstrators say is police abuse of force against minorities.

Unrest touched off by the August killing of an unarmed black teen by a white officer in Ferguson, Missouri, prompted President Barack Obama to form a task force to improve police and community relations. He tapped Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey to help lead the task force.

Last year federal corruption charges were filed against a band of rogue narcotic officers from the Philadelphia Police Department who were accused of dangling people from high-rise balconies as an interrogation technique and stealing dealers’ drug stashes.

Last month, a Philadelphia detective was charged with helping his girlfriend, who was a murder suspect, hide from police.

Ramsey acknowledged that the multiple cases could erode the community's trust in his department.

“It is painful, it is embarrassing,” Ramsey said. “It does bring up a lot of issues you see across the country.”

Ramsey said McKnight, a seven-year veteran of the force, and Robinson, a six-year veteran, have been suspended with intent to dismiss.

Charges against Rivera were dropped after the video surfaced. His civil lawsuit against the city was settled for $200,000.
 
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BoomerD

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I'll take a beating for 200k, sign me up!

If said beating is applied correctly, that $200K won't begin to cover your medical bills...and if you've never endured SEVERE pain, you just don't get it.
 

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must be an illegal or something. Any red blooded american wouldn't settle for 200k.
 

Sunburn74

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To me the lying is the worst part. You think of how many people go to jail based mostly on the testimony of officers and it just makes you shake your head. How can you know who to believe anymore? All this does is add to the argument for body cameras on all officers.
 

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If said beating is applied correctly, that $200K won't begin to cover your medical bills...and if you've never endured SEVERE pain, you just don't get it.

I'm 100% insured for life and I guarantee I've endured more pain than you. I'll still take the 200k for a beating thanks.
 

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To me the lying is the worst part. You think of how many people go to jail based mostly on the testimony of officers and it just makes you shake your head. How can you know who to believe anymore? All this does is add to the argument for body cameras on all officers.

What gets me is I know cops are human so they will lie to protect themselves. My biggest problem is courts/judges believe them with no other evidence. If a cop says you did something majority of the time you will be found guilty.
 

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I'll take a beating for 200k, sign me up!
I sure wouldn't. A beating can leave you permanently injured. I wouldn't take a good beating for infinite money. My health is worth more than the very real chance I can't walk properly again or think properly.

This is another fine example of how awesome it is filming cops. The stupider among them are going to be caught more and more often in their lies, as video surveillance blankets everything we do.
 

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What gets me is I know cops are human so they will lie to protect themselves. My biggest problem is courts/judges believe them with no other evidence. If a cop says you did something majority of the time you will be found guilty.

That's why they installed dash cams and now body cams. I'm sure there have been thousands, perhaps millions of tainted cases. Either malicious or innocent lying is a problem and hopefully getting video of more incidents can cut that shit out.
 

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Gubment worker here at your service! 3 years served mid east at the age of 26 which by my math is approximately 11.5% of my life at the time, 2 concussions, a right ear (hearing) and a right eye (sight) as well as the pinky on ol' left gone... godammit whys you bring up ol' pinky now you insensitive bastards..... I encourage the rests of you to shut the fuck up, or put your money where your mouth is!

Oh...you're an overweight bastards living in mom's basement? Tell me again how the streets are so cruel. Shut the the fuck up. Goodday sir.
 

PokerGuy

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So that begs the question -- a few bad apples??

"Begging the question" does not mean what you think it does.

Folks....it should be obvious even to our staunch Police defenders that there is a real problem in the United States!!

Sorry, but no. No matter how many individual stories or anecdotal examples you (or anyone else) provides, we can not draw any conclusions from them unless we see an analysis on aggregate data.

It's like posting a thread every day about some crime (murder, rape etc) in some part of the country. No matter how many threads like that you create, it doesn't prove anything or that "crime is out of control!".

Fail.
 

BoberFett

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"Begging the question" does not mean what you think it does.



Sorry, but no. No matter how many individual stories or anecdotal examples you (or anyone else) provides, we can not draw any conclusions from them unless we see an analysis on aggregate data.

It's like posting a thread every day about some crime (murder, rape etc) in some part of the country. No matter how many threads like that you create, it doesn't prove anything or that "crime is out of control!".

Fail.

So you want statistics such as: the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world?

Does that mean we're the most criminally minded people in the world? Or does it mean that our laws and our police are out of control?
 

master_shake_

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So you want statistics such as: the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world?

Does that mean we're the most criminally minded people in the world? Or does it mean that our laws and our police are out of control?

no it means that the three strikes law, private for profit prisons, and trumped up charges by police, and sometimes police planting drugs on citizens ends in a higher incarceration rates.

america is jail city.
 

PokerGuy

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So you want statistics such as: the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world?

Does that mean we're the most criminally minded people in the world? Or does it mean that our laws and our police are out of control?

Actually, having the highest incarceration rate in the world tells us exactly nothing about the police being "out of control". What one might conclude is that there are too many laws, that the laws are too restrictive and that we as a society are too quick to throw people in jail, but it says noting about the police being out of control.

Real numbers for analysis are hard to come by because of differences in what "incidents" are reported, how they are classified, and that PD's probably under-report claims of police misconduct. Still, that kind of aggregate analysis is the only thing that can shed light on overall trends or problems -- individual stories or anecdotes tell us nothing.
 

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no it means that the three strikes law, private for profit prisons, and trumped up charges by police, and sometimes police planting drugs on citizens ends in a higher incarceration rates.

america is jail city.

Interesting. Do you have any evidence to support more incidents of the police planting evidence to get someone convicted than in the past? Do you have evidence of more "trumped up charges" than before? What are you basing that on?

The cops have nothing to do with the three strikes laws either, they don't make the laws, they enforce them.
 

JEDIYoda

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Sorry, but no. No matter how many individual stories or anecdotal examples you (or anyone else) provides, we can not draw any conclusions from them unless we see an analysis on aggregate data.

It's like posting a thread every day about some crime (murder, rape etc) in some part of the country. No matter how many threads like that you create, it doesn't prove anything or that "crime is out of control!".

so you an Mizzou are one and the same??

Actually the Police are out of control and you cannot prove otherwise...
 

Paul98

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Considering the few times I have had to deal with the police and how much they have lied, along with others I know who have same experiences. I assume what the police say is wrong.
 

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So you want statistics such as: the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world?

Does that mean we're the most criminally minded people in the world? Or does it mean that our laws and our police are out of control?

US also uses prisons as mental health facilities, so the incarceration rate can't be compared apples to apples with other countries that actually take care of the mentally ill.

If you look at murder rates around the world, USA isn't all that out of line with other countries, but it certainly makes you wonder why we are close to running lead.