Two people go in to buy beer...

[James Bond]

I've always wondered this.

I'm 21 now, so it doesn't matter, but if two kids go up to the counter and the one paying is over 21, can the second person be carded + denied for being under age?

 

[I Saw OJ]

Yes

I worked at a grocery store for a couple years, and even thought I never did, I could have carded everyone.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

We have a dry county here where I live. Have to drive 30 minutes to get to a store that sells alcohol.
They won't let anyone under 21 in the store. They have carded me several times just walking around.

 

[Atheus]

Ha ha! You have to be 21 to buy beer :laugh:

 

[SirChadwick]

I've only been carded 1-2 times out of about 300 when going to the store w/ an older friend who was buying me beer. We'd just go to another store if they asked both of us and he'd go alone. It's pretty dumb to me and it's rarely something that happens.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Depends on your local regulations.

IANAL, but they can't refuse the sale based on the presence of a minor; however, they can make up other bullshit reasons such as claiming that a legit ID is fake.

- M4H

 

[sswingle]

Here its only the one paying, but if the cashier sees ANY money trade hands, they have to card the other person as well.

 

[Syringer]

It happened one time when I was in Westwood..thought it was weird.

Another time the cashier wanted IDs from everyone that put money in.

 

[JasonE4]

Depends on the state. In NH, CT, and PA I know that both people can be carded.

 

[James Bond]

So I'm getting mixed responses...

I'll rephrase.

Can I be legally denied the purchase of alcohol, if someone underage is accompanying me, but has no involvement in the purchase?

EDIT: I'm in WA

 

[Aftermath]

I'm 6 months older than my wife. I stopped off at a Food Lion to grab a couple of cases of beer and I got carded. Then they turned and asked my wife. She said bluntly, standing there holding our year-old daughter, "I'm not 21." We left without any alcohol.

Keep in mind I'm not complaining that they didn't let us slide, but I am trying to make a point.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Tizyler
So I'm getting mixed responses...

I'll rephrase.

Can I be legally denied the purchase of alcohol, if someone underage is accompanying me, but has no involvement in the purchase?

EDIT: I'm in WA

Assuming it is a privately run business, they can deny services or goods to whomever they please. However, but they have no legal basis to do so.

Again, IANAL.

- M4H

 

[marulee]

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
Yes

I worked at a grocery store for a couple years, and even thought I never did, I could have carded everyone.

I see..

 

[JulesMaximus]

Legally, they can kick your ass out of the store and give you no reason at all.

 

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Tizyler
So I'm getting mixed responses...

I'll rephrase.

Can I be legally denied the purchase of alcohol, if someone underage is accompanying me, but has no involvement in the purchase?

EDIT: I'm in WA

Assuming it is a privately run business, they can deny services or goods to whomever they please. However, but they have no legal basis to do so.

Again, IANAL.

- M4H

Sounds right to me. Doubt there is any law behind it, but possibly saving their asses if you guys walk out of the store and a cop busts you cuz the underage has alcohol in his hands?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Tizyler
So I'm getting mixed responses...

I'll rephrase.

Can I be legally denied the purchase of alcohol, if someone underage is accompanying me, but has no involvement in the purchase?

EDIT: I'm in WA

Assuming it is a privately run business, they can deny services or goods to whomever they please. However, but they have no legal basis to do so.

Again, IANAL.

- M4H

They do it so as to insure they don't get into any trouble with providing to minors. Pretty simple to get around, just leave your idiot retard friends behind so their eagerness doesn't give it away. Buy the booze yourself and then bring it to them if you really want to do it.

Simple for a store; leave your friends outside.

Slightly harder in a bar; just take a table or booth away from the bar and bring the booze there. Never tried it with minors but it should work. Did this once in a bar where my friend was with me and they carded him too even though I was buying. He was 21 and we got the beer but once we had it we brought it back to our table where others had some. We were all 21 or over but the guy never bothered to follow us back to where we were sitting to ID them.


Yes it is a slight hassle, but it isn't like you're jumping through any major hoops. Its just that the sellers want to know they can't be pinned for providing to minors.

 

[TheNinja]

I don't know the legal answer to the OP's question but that reminds me of a funny story.

This dude was buying a keg at the store and was paying with cash (for some dumb reason). It came to like $100.05. He pays the $100 cash and as he's digging for change, his girlfriend hands the cashier a nickel. Oops, the girlfriend did not have ID. The guy said he would pay with another dollar and just give the nickel back to the girl, but the employee said he legally could not do that as it just appeared that she was trying to buy beer and that he was buying beer for her.

 

[chrisms]

This happened to my brother and I a couple years ago. We were going on a camping trip and bought a bunch of groceries, including an 18-pack of beer. My brother was paying with his debit card but they still carded me. We basically just left all the groceries on the counter and left.

Then again in the last year my ex and I would go grocery shopping together and I would buy beer. She never got carded. I guess it depends.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Tizyler
So I'm getting mixed responses...

I'll rephrase.

Can I be legally denied the purchase of alcohol, if someone underage is accompanying me, but has no involvement in the purchase?

EDIT: I'm in WA

Assuming it is a privately run business, they can deny services or goods to whomever they please. However, but they have no legal basis to do so.

Again, IANAL.

- M4H

UANAL?

 

[ElFenix]

probably has everything to do with the regulations in your state, and so only someone who was familiar with your state's regulations (and especially not some beaver-cap wearing canuck) can tell you.

i'm going to guess that a liquor store can refuse entry to people under 21, and may be required to.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Who knows. Just don't stand with them? How simple is that?

I mean we buy alcohol a lot at Safeway. I do my grocery shopping while my friend grabs the alcohol and we checkout 1 after the other. Big deal? Then again this is the Safeway right next to campus and it's not surprising to see a flood of college students in the alcohol aisle on weekends.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Depends on your local regulations.

IANAL, but they can't refuse the sale based on the presence of a minor; however, they can make up other bullshit reasons such as claiming that a legit ID is fake.

- M4H

actually they can refuse sale based on the presence of a minor in soem localities!

 

[chrisms]

By the way I am in Washington state also, so I'll assume they have the right to do that. It only happened to me once though. Didn't even get carded when I went into the liquor store underaged with a friend of mine and he bought liquor I picked out.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Tizyler
So I'm getting mixed responses...

I'll rephrase.

Can I be legally denied the purchase of alcohol, if someone underage is accompanying me, but has no involvement in the purchase?

EDIT: I'm in WA

Assuming it is a privately run business, they can deny services or goods to whomever they please. However, but they have no legal basis to do so.

Again, IANAL.

- M4H

Where you get that garbage???
Any private buisness can deny service to who-ever they please....but you can bet if its because of race they will get nailed.......

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Tizyler
So I'm getting mixed responses...

I'll rephrase.

Can I be legally denied the purchase of alcohol, if someone underage is accompanying me, but has no involvement in the purchase?

EDIT: I'm in WA

Assuming it is a privately run business, they can deny services or goods to whomever they please. However, but they have no legal basis to do so.

Again, IANAL.

- M4H

Where you get that garbage???
Any private buisness can deny service to who-ever they please....but you can bet if its because of race they will get nailed.......

Not true, I used to own a small shop and would refuse to allow a certain race to even enter my store. I made it obvious and the cops were informed numerous times and did nothing. They never were able to get into my shop.