two networks, maximum bandwidth

[theomms]

two dsl lines in my house.

one wired ethernet
one 802.11g wireless

how can i exploit both connections to gain greater bandwidth?

 

[n0cmonkey]

They'll be limited by your DSL, so get a DSL connection that can handle 154mb, 208mb or 1054mb, or 1108mb depending on the hardware. Then put a powerful machine on the wired ethernet segment and one on the wireless segment.

 

[JackMDS]

Option One: Get Dual service from an ISP that supports DSL Bonding.

Option Two: invest 10,000 in hardware software system that design to do so.

Option Three: Join the crowd of the sad people that have two broadband connections and can not combine them.

Otherwise get a Dual WAN Router and have a fall back load balance system.

:sun:

 

[theomms]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Option One: Get Dual service from an ISP that supports DSL Bonding.

Option Two: invest 10,000 in hardware software system that design to do so.

Option Three: Join the crowd of the sad people that have two broadband connections and can not combine them.

Otherwise get a Dual WAN Router and have a fall back load balance system.

:sun:

sweet thanks for the responses!

ok...option one and two are out.....and for now i will leave option three as a back up plan.

can you tell me more about a dual wan router and having a fall back load balance system?

i have heard about both but i am not sure about using the dual WAN with wireless and i dont know how to setup a load balance system.

ultimately will this increase download speeds? if it doesnt, will i atleast be able to surf the internet at full speed using the secondary wireless connection when a download is sapping up the bandwidth on the primary ethernet connection?

 

[JackMDS]

It will not increase single source download.

Example: DSL1 provides 100KB/sec. DSL2 provides 150BK/sec.

You want to download FileX. You would not be able to download File X at 250KB/sec.

However when you can download File X at 150KB/sec., and while doing so you can Download File Y at 100BK/sec.

As for Hardware: Hawking - Dual WAN Routers.

:sun:

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
It will not increase single source download.

Example: DSL1 provides 100KB/sec. DSL2 provides 150BK/sec.

You want to download FileX. You would not be able to download File X at 250KB/sec.

However when you can download File X at 150KB/sec., and while doing so you can Download File Y at 100BK/sec.
:sun:

Right on the money.

 

[theomms]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
It will not increase single source download.

Example: DSL1 provides 100KB/sec. DSL2 provides 150BK/sec.

You want to download FileX. You would not be able to download File X at 250KB/sec.

However when you can download File X at 150KB/sec., and while doing so you can Download File Y at 100BK/sec.

As for Hardware: Hawking - Dual WAN Routers.

:sun:

thanks

i got this from the hawking site

a method for selectively managing traffic between Internet connections (i.e., by port or IP address), and a back-up method that activates the second WAN if the first WAN should get disconnected.

this is exactly what i want (if i cant have faster single souce downloads), one problem:

remember that one of my networks is already wireless(read unable to run a wire). how can i get the wireless into the second ethernet wan port on the router?

pic of hawking dual wan router

is there a software solution that can assign network load between two network cards (one onboard and one wireless) by port?

 

[JackMDS]

The WAN ports are for the DSLs they have to be connected to DSL Modems by Wires.

I never uses the Hawking Wireless, read the specs it probably working with both the Wire and the Wireless on the LAN side.

If you do not have two separate DSL accounts that run on two DSL modems then your premise of having ?two DSL lines in my house.? Is a mistake.

:sun:

 

[theomms]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
The WAN ports are for the DSLs they have to be connected to DSL Modems by Wires.

I never uses the Hawking Wireless, read the specs it probably working with both the Wire and the Wireless on the LAN side.

If you do not have two separate DSL accounts that run on two DSL modems then your premise of having ?two DSL lines in my house.? Is a mistake.

:sun:

i have two dsl lines with two separate modems on two separate phone lines problem is that i am unable to run a wire from one of the modems (which is downstairs) because of my lease.

 

[JackMDS]

Then this Thread might provide useful information for few of the 48 viewers.

You, unfortunately should forget about any cooperative use of your two DSL lines. :brokenheart:

:sun:

 

[theomms]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Then this Thread might provide useful information for few of the 48 viewers.

You, unfortunately should forget about any cooperative use of your two DSL lines. :brokenheart:

:sun:

so there is really no software support for this?

i cant believe that a router can have firmware that allows it to use load balancing across two networks and a PC with two network cards cannot. that is WEAK!:Q:brokenheart:

to all you programers out there ther is money to be made with a software product that can do this. such a product would also be usefull to mobile laptop users that find themselves it an area with two weak but overlaping broadband signals in addition to those like me with acess to two networks via two network adapters .

how did people "shotgun" dial up back in the day?

 

[theomms]

doe sanyone know of any other forums that i can appeal to?

thanks for all the help JackMDS

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: theomms

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Then this Thread might provide useful information for few of the 48 viewers.

You, unfortunately should forget about any cooperative use of your two DSL lines. :brokenheart:

:sun:

so there is really no software support for this?

i cant believe that a router can have firmware that allows it to use load balancing across two networks and a PC with two network cards cannot. that is WEAK!:Q:brokenheart:

to all you programers out there ther is money to be made with a software product that can do this. such a product would also be usefull to mobile laptop users that find themselves it an area with two weak but overlaping broadband signals in addition to those like me with acess to two networks via two network adapters .

how did people "shotgun" dial up back in the day?

Shotgun modems used a special protocol called multilink PPP to distribute traffic at layer2. We can do it with routed connections today as well, but the stipulation is both sides of the link have to agree the we're doing "multilink". In a "shotgun" ISP model this isn't a big deal because the head end dial server sees two separate calls and goes "gee, this guy wants to multilink PPP. fine, I know how to distribute the load because there are standards set in place that allows me to do this"

But from a software perspective it would be REALLY difficult to bond separate connections at layer 3 - you can do load balancing, but not load sharing (well, I won't go into the grusome details because there are many different ways you can approach using 2+ layer 3 paths). It all has to do with how routing between different network works. And more specically how the return traffic gets back to you, which is out of your control.

 

[VirtualLarry]

To expand on what spidey07 was saying, basically, you can "bond" two channels on your side (which would technically be layer-2), but there has to be a protocol on the other end of those links to "bond" those channels together too, in order for both sides to see a single aggregate layer-2 link. Multi-link PPP supports that, IFF you happen to reach two modems on the other end, that are part of the same dial-in pool/rack. Otherwise, all you can really do is distribute individual layer-3 connections over whatever layer-2 link is less loaded at the time. But once one of those layer-2 links is chosen for a layer-3 connection, you can't arbitrarily change it while it's still connected. (Well, not without difficulty.) So it's possible for worst-case loading for long-term layer-3 connections to still cause one layer-2 link to hit max utilization, while the other sits fairly idle.

 

[theomms]

sweet

thanks for the responses ^. i hadnt thought about the "return traffic" as spidey07 put it. BUT!.....spidey07 you did say that load balancing was possible, and this infact is what i am quite eager to settle for. so here is the definitive question:

How can load balancing be accomplished with the use of two network adapters; one ethernet and one wireless?

 

[bthom70]

I wnat to add a 2nd DSL to gain more uplink.
I have 6 VPN connection, 6 differnet location that access my office servers.
They max out my uplink and slow my network to a crawl.
Each location has a static IP, I would like to segment my domain betrween 2 IP's for adhoc load-balancing.

Can I do this?