Two Israelis Wounded in Palestinian Mortar Attack

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Abwx

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Lol , complete inversion of the truth...
We all know, you are the eternal victims..

But about the right of return, why any jew that
doesn t even originate from palestine is automatically
granted a "right of return"..???.....
Indeed, for the palestinians,this right is clearly stipulated by the international laws and sanctified by many UNO resolutions..

israel is just a rogue state that don t want to
recognize the international resolutions and use daily terrorism
to impose his will...

Since you don t want to recognize uno resolutions,
the resolution that created israel is no more legitimated.
 
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Tom

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"They know Israel could never, ever agree to their self-proclaimed "right of return""

Why not ?
 

Abwx

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They know Israel could never, ever agree to their self-proclaimed "right of return" yet they make this a precondition for any permanent agreement.
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A fool always believe his own lies...

UNO resolution 194 , section 11 :

Article 11 reads:
Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194
 

SamurAchzar

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Lol , complete inversion of the truth...
We all know, you are the eternal victims..

But about the right of return, why any jew that
doesn t even originate from palestine is automatically
granted a "right of return"..???.....
Indeed, for the palestinians,this right is clearly stipulated by the international laws and sanctified by many UNO resolutions..

israel is just a rogue state that don t want to
recognize the international resolutions and use daily terrorism
to impose his will...

Since you don t want to recognize uno resolutions,
the resolution that created idrael is no more legitimated.

1. Last year, the European Court Of Human Rights basically dismissed the notion of "right of return" in their ruling about Greeks who fled Turkish occupation of Cyprus, instead offering them compensation. Read it here.

2. At this point, most of the "refugees" are second, third and fourth generation; it is ridiculous to assume they have more rights than the Israelis sitting on that land today, after 60 years.

3. Nevertheless, most of those "refugees" left out of their own free will when the war broke, awaiting the Jews to be massacred by the Arab countries so they can go back to their homes and pillage Jewish property.

4. When talking about "refugees", it is important to note hundreds of thousands, if not more, of Jews misplaced from Arab countries (Iraq, Morocco, Syria, Egypt, Libya and others) after the creation of Israel, leaving their property behind. I can't see how the Palestinian "refugees" claims can be answered without a just solution and compensation for those Jews. Read here.
 

jonks

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Would you agree to live under a Muslim majority?
Would you wish your family that?

Isn't that a statistical inevitability anyway?



Shooting a guided missile at a schoolbus. You'd think that was too cliche for Hamas.
 
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SamurAchzar

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Isn't that a statistical inevitability anyway?

In the context of Israel, it's not inevitable. Muslim birth rates in Israel are declining as the Israeli society encourages the Arab women to get education and careers. You can do it, barely, when Muslims constitute 25% of your population, you can only pray when they are 60%.
Also, as part of a future agreement Israel wants the Palestinian state to annex few areas with very high concentration of Muslims. They call themselves Palestinians anyway, right? (of course they are kicking and screaming when they hear about the plan; mind, not moving one single person or property, just change of authority. Apparently that's racism for them, go figure)

In the context of the greater world - if things proceed as they are, and the standard of living in Muslim state doesn't catch up to Western standards very soon - it won't - in few decades Muslims will be a majority. This is one of the reason worldwide democracy, like UN was intended to do, won't ever work.
 

Woofmeister

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Palestinian have no other choice than becomming fighters, contrary to theses ones
that are indoctrinated...
What is your opinion about theses children enlisted in fascist mentality ????

http://card.wordpress.com/2006/07/1...ldren-the-indoctrination-of-israeli-children/

Look at at the bottom, the coward actions of your
military reducing children in powder..

Is there some standard playbook for terrorist apologists that tells them to refer to this single incident of Israeli children writing messages on artillery shells whenever someone points out the very real problem of incitement of violence against Israeli civilians by Hamas and the PLO?

Fact, the artillery shells in the photo were being fired into Lebanon, not any of the Palestinian territories. The shells were being fired at Hezbollah positions in response to Hezbollah's rocketing of Israel and the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers.

Fact, the children writing on the shells are from Kiryat Shmona--want to read what life was like in that town during the 2006 war with Hezbollah? Try this article from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5264594.stm And no, Kiryat Shmona is not considered occupied territory by any legitimate authority--it's within Israel's accepted borders.

Fact, the messages on the shell are addressed to Nasrallah (you can read his name in the English portion) Nasrallah is the murderous head of Hezbollah and is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Lebanese and Israelis, and thus, a legitimate target in anyone's book.

I don't approve of pre-teen girls writing messages on military ordinance, but I understand the context and I surely approve of the targeting.
 

Tom

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Would you agree to live under a Muslim majority?
Would you wish your family that?

I guess I'd wonder if I had the right to decide who the majority was. I guess I don't think it's up to me what religion people follow, or where they live.
 

jonks

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I don't approve of pre-teen girls writing messages on military ordinance, but I understand the context and I surely approve of the targeting.

I don't care what the context is, pre-teen girls should definitely not be writing military ordinance.
 

SamurAchzar

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I guess I'd wonder if I had the right to decide who the majority was. I guess I don't think it's up to me what religion people follow, or where they live.

So you're now saying Israel does not have the right to determine who gets to be its citizens? Nice one. Does that apply to USA as well, or does it get the right to apply discretion?

But let's back to the original question. You're trying to walk around it. It's a simple "yes/no" matter.

If your town of 20,000 people had another 20,000 Muslims coming in one day, demanding Sharia laws and bringing their poverty, violence and intolerance you'd run if you could. It's not imaginary, it happens in Europe as we speak.

You have no moral right to demand the Israeli to do what no other country on earth would agree to. You will not quiet your conscience over their existence and lives. Israel is not your, or anyone else's, punching bag.
 

Tom

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So you're now saying Israel does not have the right to determine who gets to be its citizens? Nice one. Does that apply to USA as well, or does it get the right to apply discretion?

But let's back to the original question. You're trying to walk around it. It's a simple "yes/no" matter.

If your town of 20,000 people had another 20,000 Muslims coming in one day, demanding Sharia laws and bringing their poverty, violence and intolerance you'd run if you could. It's not imaginary, it happens in Europe as we speak.

You have no moral right to demand the Israeli to do what no other country on earth would agree to. You will not quiet your conscience over their existence and lives. Israel is not your, or anyone else's, punching bag.

Yes, I would live in Europe.

As far as the USA, I don't know if I'd like it or not. I know I don't believe in using the law to discriminate on the basis of religion.
 

SamurAchzar

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Either it all went over your head or you just don't like your answer to my question so you keep going around.
 

JEDIYoda

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Yes, I would live in Europe.

As far as the USA, I don't know if I'd like it or not. I know I don't believe in using the law to discriminate on the basis of religion.

Answer the damn question....quit being the village idiot. Anand already pays somebody to be the village idiot.

So answer the question?

Unless the truth hurts and your just a true idiot!
 

Abwx

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Fact, the messages on the shell are addressed to Nasrallah (you can read his name in the English portion) Nasrallah is the murderous head of Hezbollah and is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Lebanese and Israelis, and thus, a legitimate target in anyone's book.

A fact ?..really ?...
Would you mind giving some links about those thousands
killed by hezbollah ??..

What is a fact is that Hezbollah was created as a response
to israeli invasion, destruction and occupation of Lebanon
by Sharon the butcher in 1982, killing by the same occasion
30 000 lebanese civilians.
 

Abwx

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If your town of 20,000 people had another 20,000 Muslims coming in one day, demanding Sharia laws and bringing their poverty, violence and intolerance you'd run if you could. It's not imaginary, it happens in Europe as we speak.
.

So you are subjugating them because of an imaginary vision that
palestinians are forcibly for imposing shariah laws upon other religions
members if ever they would gain control of their native land ???....

You are a psychological case that project on its victim your own
fascism and hate as the reason to persecute them...

The crimes you commit upon them, you justify them by the
idea that if they take control of palestine , they would take
revenge, and you are very afraid of this , because , as aknowledged
by your own words , be it your s or your leaders' s, you know
that you are the agressors.

Only psychopathological criminals, that is , who have been
formaly trained as being criminals can act like this..

The photo where we see the israeli children sending hate message
to future victims is a mark of the israeli social fabric which
consist to create unscrupulous killers of innocents..

That is the very advanced society you are talking about,
poor fool, a society where everyone is trained to be sadic..
 

Tom

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Answer the damn question....quit being the village idiot. Anand already pays somebody to be the village idiot.

So answer the question?

Unless the truth hurts and your just a true idiot!

He never answered my question, why should I answer his ?

Besides that, my question is for an explanation of why a government policy is impossible. That isn't a personal question.
 
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Abwx

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You have no moral right to demand the Israeli to do what no other country on earth would agree to. You will not quiet your conscience over their existence and lives. Israel is not your, or anyone else's, punching bag.


You simply usurped their rights..

As for morality, once they are enriched by the stealings
they waged, thieves generaly wants to be recongized
as respectable and wants no more to be called criminals..

That is, in short , what you are saying, although unwillingly..
 

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Fact, the messages on the shell are addressed to Nasrallah (you can read his name in the English portion) Nasrallah is the murderous head of Hezbollah and is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Lebanese and Israelis, and thus, a legitimate target in anyone's book.

A fact ?..really ?...
Would you mind giving some links about those thousands
killed by hezbollah ??..

What is a fact is that Hezbollah was created as a response
to israeli invasion, destruction and occupation of Lebanon
by Sharon the butcher in 1982, killing by the same occasion
30 000 lebanese civilians.

You answered your own question.

Those multi thousands civilians were killed by Hezbollah miscalculating how far they could push Israel.

Hezbollah caused the conflict; they have just as much responsiblity as Israel on those deaths at minimum.
 

Tom

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You answered your own question.

Those multi thousands civilians were killed by Hezbollah miscalculating how far they could push Israel.

Hezbollah caused the conflict; they have just as much responsiblity as Israel on those deaths at minimum.

I'm fuzzy on this, it seems to me Israel put people in camps, then a bunch of people died in the camps.

Were they in the camps voluntarily ?
 

Matt1970

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You simply usurped their rights..

As for morality, once they are enriched by the stealings
they waged, thieves generaly wants to be recongized
as respectable and wants no more to be called criminals..

That is, in short , what you are saying, although unwillingly..

We wouldn't even be talking about this shit if Egypt, Jordan with the Iraqi army, and Syria didn't mass over 100,000 troops on Israel's border forcing a war. You are lucky they didn't take more than they did or your little Islamic Jihad ass would be speaking Hebrew.
 

SamurAchzar

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So you are subjugating them because of an imaginary vision that
palestinians are forcibly for imposing shariah laws upon other religions
members if ever they would gain control of their native land ???....

Hamas are forcibly applying the Sharia laws in Gaza strip already, why wouldn't they do so to the Jews?

You are a psychological case that project on its victim your own
fascism and hate as the reason to persecute them...

I'm amused when an Arab calls another one fascist. When you have democracy, separation of church of state, women rights, no more killings of family members for "honor" and stop persecuting anyone who is not Muslim and have Arab mothers prefer their sons living than dead as Sha'eeds, only THEN you could criticize Israel.

Right now your society is vile, corrupt and rotten. It is darkness upon earth, crazier than the Nazis themselves if there ever was such a thing. Sure, they killed more, but they didn't murder and maim their daughters and didn't strap bombs on their sons.

The crimes you commit upon them, you justify them by the
idea that if they take control of palestine , they would take
revenge, and you are very afraid of this , because , as aknowledged
by your own words , be it your s or your leaders' s, you know
that you are the agressors.

Of course they would have revenge. They will slaughter every Jewish man, woman and child that wouldn't flee on time. You know it, I know it, and the Israeli policy makers know it. We all know it.
Years of Pan-Arab humiliation will come to end as Jewish blood will drench the streets. That was always the Arab dream, hasn't it?
 

SamurAchzar

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I'm fuzzy on this, it seems to me Israel put people in camps, then a bunch of people died in the camps.

Were they in the camps voluntarily ?

Israel didn't put anyone there. Those places exist since 1949. Lebanese didn't want the Palestinians immigrating in so they created those camps for them. Same in Jordan, same in Syria.
 

Woofmeister

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The photo where we see the israeli children sending hate message
to future victims is a mark of the israeli social fabric which
consist to create unscrupulous killers of innocents..

That is the very advanced society you are talking about,
poor fool, a society where everyone is trained to be sadic..

What an incredibly silly thing to say. Show me a picture from any other day in Israeli history apart from that single day in 2006 that shows Israeli children writing messages on weapons? Better yet, show me any evidence that Israeli children are taught to hate by anything other than attacks by Hezbollah and Hammas that deliberately target them?