Two black teens hammer unarmed white man.

[Hugo Drax]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...20120402_1_victim-arrest-affidavits-crimeline

Julius Ricardo Bender, 18, and Yahaziel Isaac Israel, 19, face charges of attempted first-degree murder, burglary with assault or battery and armed burglary.

The victim, a 50-year-old Winter Springs man whose name has not been released, is on life-support at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

We need to put more controls on the purchase of Hammers.

 

[JEDIYoda]

so?? What is your real point?

That shit can happen anywhere to anybody by anybody regardless of color or religion??

 

[Stayfr0sty]

I was mugged when I was 15 by a group of haitians and cubans.
I didnt call the news to report it and I dont hate their races cause of that...... well to be correct I dislike the cubans, the ones exiled, they are like white trash, the ones in cuba are cool. In fact I have met the ones that just came over and were still pro castrist and they had very different attitudes then the typical exile.
For christ sake its like all you ppl trying to counter the zimmerman debate got beat up in high school and never got over it.

 

[SandEagle]

Israel attacking an innocent civilian? say it ain't so! :awe:

 

[Darwin333]

I was mugged when I was 15 by a group of haitians and cubans.
I didnt call the news to report it and I dont hate their races cause of that...... well to be correct I dislike the cubans, the ones exiled, they are like white trash, the ones in cuba are cool. In fact I have met the ones that just came over and were still pro castrist and they had very different attitudes then the typical exile.
For christ sake its like all you ppl trying to counter the zimmerman debate got beat up in high school and never got over it.

I think the point is that if Zimmerman had shot a white guy none of us would have heard about it. Since it was a black guy shot by a white guy then a ton of people automatically jump to racism but when its the other way around it is not.

 

[Brainonska511]

What's with the random threads on every little crime that may or may not be related to race lately?

I get it, white on black, black on white, black on black, blue on green - it's all bad. I fail to see the need to point out every little one. P&N isn't the damn police blotter.

 

[NeoV]

"face charges of attempted first-degree murder, burglary with assault or battery and armed burglary."

see the difference here?

 

[brandonbull]

I think the point is that if Zimmerman had shot a white guy none of us would have heard about it. Since it was a black guy shot by a white hispanic guy then a ton of people automatically jump to racism but when its the other way around it is not.

Fixed it.

 

[werepossum]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...20120402_1_victim-arrest-affidavits-crimeline

Julius Ricardo Bender, 18, and Yahaziel Isaac Israel, 19, face charges of attempted first-degree murder, burglary with assault or battery and armed burglary.

The victim, a 50-year-old Winter Springs man whose name has not been released, is on life-support at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

We need to put more controls on the purchase of Hammers.

Hammers don't kill people, criminals do. Especially criminals with hammers. Wait . . .

I'd say +1 for story except there's really no reason to mention the respective races. The Martin case is controversial only because Zimmerman wasn't charged when many people (especially those subjected to the outrageously biased reportage) thought he obviously should be, and because it evokes memories of a time when blacks often could not get equal justice - and because it also evokes fears that those days are still now. Had Martin been gunned down by a black man, or had Martin turned out to be the criminal Zimmerman thought he was, or had Zimmerman been arrested and charged with murder or manslaughter, the Martin case would merely be another killing hardly discernible from all the others.

 

[Infohawk]

A tip to Crimeline has led to the arrests of two men in a brutal beating that occurred a week ago in the Midway community east of Sanford.

Maybe Zimmerman wasn't so unreasonable for having a concealed weapon.

 

[woolfe9999]

I think the point is that if Zimmerman had shot a white guy none of us would have heard about it. Since it was a black guy shot by a white guy then a ton of people automatically jump to racism but when its the other way around it is not.

You think I could play this game by finding instances of white on black violence that aren't covered as much as the Z case? This constant posting of individual cases of black on white violence to make this inane point over and over again is really lame.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Where is the public outrage.

Political and community leaders complaining about civil rights.

Or do only the teenage black victims get/deserve the press coverage and protest marches.

 

[dwell]

If there was a white Al Sharpton he'd be down there fanning the flamed and be labled a racist, correct?

So can we agree that Sharpton is, indeed, a racist?

 

[lotus503]

Where is the public outrage.

Political and community leaders complaining about civil rights.

Or do only the teenage black victims get/deserve the press coverage and protest marches.

You missed the part where they have been charged. The Zimmerman outrage is because he has not been and a lot of people think its because of how it was handled by the police.

 

[Infohawk]

You missed the part where they have been charged. The Zimmerman outrage is because he has not been

Is it though? It seems like the outrage is really about the fact they think a white (yeah I know) guy's word was taken over a black family's word. And that leads the black leaders to start generalizing about race in America generally and the idea of fairness. And then that makes other people point out or hint at the fact that the per capita crime rates are significantly higher in the black community. So people like Sharpton and Jackson are trying to monologue to America and a lot of people are talking back. It's all pretty silly that there's this level of rhetoric going on, but they started the national "discussion" on very questionable assumptions.

 

[Stayfr0sty]

I think the point is that if Zimmerman had shot a white guy none of us would have heard about it. Since it was a black guy shot by a white guy then a ton of people automatically jump to racism but when its the other way around it is not.

I hear the same arguments from neo nazi skins.....

If there was a white Al Sharpton he'd be down there fanning the flamed and be labled a racist, correct?

So can we agree that Sharpton is, indeed, a racist?

No comment.....

 

[EagleKeeper]

You missed the part where they have been charged. The Zimmerman outrage is because he has not been and a lot of people think its because of how it was handled by the police.

Unless Zimmerman is convicted; this will be Rodney King #2.

 

[lotus503]

Unless Zimmerman is convicted; this will be Rodney King #2.

You have a right to be scared and overreact. I'm sure it's a learned behavior.

 

[Infohawk]

I hear the same arguments from neo nazi skins.....



No comment.....

What is the point of ad hominem?

 

[woolfe9999]

For those who think that the race issue is the sole determining factor in the Z case, explain why the Oscar Grant case from 2009 got not one-tenth of the national coverage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

Note the wiki sourcing on that is almost exclusively local news stories. It got some national coverage, for barely one news cycle. There were two ATP&N threads about that case, the longer of the two with less than 5% of the number of posts in the biggest Z thread, which is still going full steam.

And it's not like race wasn't made an issue in that case. It was a police shooting which has long been a sore spot in the black community. Black leaders got involved. There was even local rioting over it. And there was a youtube video of the shooting no less which always garners lots of additional attention.

I think some people need to think harder about why the Z case is getting this much press because the simplistic explanation that race was a sufficient condition in and of itself doesn't cut it.

 

[HomerJS]

Damn you Z suporters are so fucking jealous.

What's the matter the media stopped focusing on missing white people??

Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!

 

[FuzzyBee]

For those who think that the race issue is the sole determining factor in the Z case, explain why the Oscar Grant case from 2009 got not one-tenth of the national coverage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

Note the wiki sourcing on that is almost exclusively local news stories. It got some national coverage, for barely one news cycle. There were two ATP&N threads about that case, the longer of the two with less than 5% of the number of posts in the biggest Z thread, which is still going full steam.

And it's not like race wasn't made an issue in that case. It was a police shooting which has long been a sore spot in the black community. Black leaders got involved. There was even local rioting over it. And there was a youtube video of the shooting no less which always garners lots of additional attention.

I think some people need to think harder about why the Z case is getting this much press because the simplistic explanation that race was a sufficient condition in and of itself doesn't cut it.

Interesting. Why does this story (http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/family-pleads-for-arrest-1406172.html) get no national press? I see one major difference. Here's another - no charges filed other than "impersonating a police officer": http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/new...-on-shooting-death-of-dekalb-teen-20120326-tm

Where is Al?

 

[HomerJS]

For those who think that the race issue is the sole determining factor in the Z case, explain why the Oscar Grant case from 2009 got not one-tenth of the national coverage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

Note the wiki sourcing on that is almost exclusively local news stories. It got some national coverage, for barely one news cycle. There were two ATP&N threads about that case, the longer of the two with less than 5% of the number of posts in the biggest Z thread, which is still going full steam.

And it's not like race wasn't made an issue in that case. It was a police shooting which has long been a sore spot in the black community. Black leaders got involved. There was even local rioting over it. And there was a youtube video of the shooting no less which always garners lots of additional attention.

I think some people need to think harder about why the Z case is getting this much press because the simplistic explanation that race was a sufficient condition in and of itself doesn't cut it.

It's getting this much attention for one simple reason Z has not been arrested.

 

[Tom]

I think the point is that if Zimmerman had shot a white guy none of us would have heard about it. Since it was a black guy shot by a white guy then a ton of people automatically jump to racism but when its the other way around it is not.

Yes, you've analyzed how racists view the world quite well.

 

[Ninjahedge]

If there was a white Al Sharpton he'd be down there fanning the flamed and be labled a racist, correct?

How did the gays get into this?