Hi Ty,
hmm, a Toledo with 2 x 512 cache is pretty much like a Manchester I think....Toledos originally had 2 x 1MB cache, but I think I read somewhere that AMD consolidated production, and is making just one core, and disabling half the L2 cache on it...
The 'old' Toledo with 2 x 1MB cache was not that much different than the manchester:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/h...le.php/3261_3565416__3
When comparing the Athlon 64 X2 Manchester and Toledo cores, there is really not that big a difference in overall scores, and the Athlon 64 X2 4600+ and 4200+ Manchester models stay very close to their 1MB L2 Toledo cousins. Clock speed certainly does play a role, as we see a nice progression down the line from the 2.4 GHz behemoths right down to the 2.0 GHz Athlon 64 X2 3800+.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...owdoc.aspx?i=2484&p=13
and, check out these prices:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/h...e.php/3261_3565416__11
"very small differences" between the cores.
The Athlon 64 X2 4800+ is pushing $800, while the Athlon 64 X2 4400+ is priced at $500, and for standard desktop and multimedia use, you probably won't notice the difference between the Toledo and Manchester cores. Hardcore gamers will still want to go the Toledo core route, and the Pentium D 830 ($320) and 820 ($250) will tempt those looking for the lowest-cost dual core solution. But for everyone in between, the Athlon 64 X2 4600+ and 4200+ offer an attractive entry point into dual core processing, and provide much of the performance of their Toledo cousins, but at a reduced price.
Looks like the Toledo core is the most recent/updated/most current stepping, so I would probably go with that myself.
From Wikipedia: ok, it looks a lot better on their page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...22_.28E4.2C_90_nm.29_2
"Manchester" (E4, 90 nm)
* All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, Enhanced 3DNow!, NX bit, AMD64 (AMD's x86-64 implementation), Cool'n'Quiet
Model Number Frequency L2-Cache HT Mult 1 Voltage TDP Socket Release Date Part Number(s)
Athlon 64 X2 3600+ 2000 MHz 2 x 256 KiB 1000 MHz 10x 1.35-1.40 V 89-110 W Socket 939 ADA3600DAA4BV
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2000 MHz 2 x 512 KiB 1000 MHz 10x 1.35-1.40 V 89 W Socket 939 August 1, 2005 ADA3800DAA5BV
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2200 MHz 2 x 512 KiB 1000 MHz 11x 1.35-1.40 V 89 W Socket 939 May 31, 2005 ADA4200DAA5BV
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2400 MHz 2 x 512 KiB 1000 MHz 12x 1.35-1.40 V 110 W Socket 939 May 31, 2005 ADA4600DAA5BV
[edit] "Toledo" (E6, 90 nm)
* All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, Enhanced 3DNow!, NX bit, AMD64 (AMD's x86-64 implementation), Cool'n'Quiet
Model Number Frequency L2-Cache HT Mult 1 Voltage TDP Socket Release Date Part Number(s)
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2000 MHz 2 x 512 KiB 1000 MHz 10x 1.30-1.35 V 89 W Socket 939 August 1, 2005 ADA3800DAA5CD
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2200 MHz 2 x 512 KiB 1000 MHz 11x 1.30-1.35 V 89 W Socket 939 May 31, 2005 ADA4200DAA5CD
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2200 MHz 2 x 1024 KiB 1000 MHz 11x 1.30-1.35 V 110 W Socket 939 May 31, 2005 ADA4400DAA6CD
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2200 MHz 2 x 1024 KiB 1000 MHz 11x 1.30-1.35 V 89 W Socket 939 ADV4400DAA6CD
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2400 MHz 2 x 512 KiB 1000 MHz 12x 1.30-1.35 V 110 W Socket 939 May 31, 2005 ADA4600DAA5CD
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2400 MHz 2 x 1024 KiB 1000 MHz 12x 1.30-1.35 V 110 W Socket 939 May 31, 2005 ADA4800DAA6CD
[edit] "Windsor" (F2 & F3, 90 nm)
OK, how is this for muddying your waters:
why not get the Opteron Box CPU, for just a few dollah more: 3 year warranty, high quality heat sink, 2 x 1MB cache (good for a 2-3 percent performance improvement overall.) And how is this for confusing, they are supposed to be Denmark cores, but my Opteron 170 is read by CPU-Z as a Toledo core--the good Toledo with 2 x 1MB cache.....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...2c3028%3a20275&bop=And
Also, I have to vote "Toledo" since I hear there is a really bad soccer club named "The Manchesters" somewhere in Eng Land.
HTH
NXIL
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