Twitter mob goes after girl for cultural appropriation over prom dress

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realibrad

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How is it cultural appropriation? Chipao is considered formal wear. Not like she was claiming it is Western origin or something like that.

She is not Asian and as such, is using Asian culture for her own benefit.
 

Zorba

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It's pretty simple: concern trolling is shitty behavior so it's reasonable for people to say 'you're acting shitty'. The idea that people should not be criticized for their behavior is baffling to me.
How is this post concern trolling? People are going nuts on Twitter over appropriation over a prom dress and this isn't the first time. I think it is a valid conversation to have.
 

fskimospy

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I thought the goal of trolling, concern or any other, is to get an emotional reaction. Are you not simply playing the puppet at that point? It would seem to give the troll what was desired and have no effect in stopping the troll. What is the benefit and or goal with the response that the people gave?

I doubt the goal of his concern trolling was to have people mock him. Regardless, there's no point to making this discussion about whether it's appropriate for people to be mean to him. It's entirely appropriate and ironically, you're trying to police other people's conduct on here.
 

fskimospy

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How is this post concern trolling? People are going nuts on Twitter over appropriation over a prom dress and this isn't the first time. I think it is a valid conversation to have.

People go nuts on Twitter all the time about stupid things and it's completely meaningless. I don't think the OP actually cares what some idiots on Twitter are whining about for one second.
 

Zorba

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So Asians can't wear Western clothing? Stupid asses.
Based on some of the Twitter posts I read Western people, especially white people, have no culture, so it isn't appropriation. But anything whites use from others is appropriation because everything in non-white cultures is sacred.

I normally hate the reverse racism card, but I don't see how those beliefs aren't reverse racism. If nothing else it is anti-diversity.
 

sdifox

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So is cultural appropriation something one should be offended over? It seems to keep creeping back up as an issue, is it a legitimate one in yalls opinion?

Yes, it should be a concern. However, wearing chipao is not cultural appropriation.
 

Zorba

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People go nuts on Twitter all the time about stupid things and it's completely meaningless. I don't think the OP actually cares what some idiots on Twitter are whining about for one second.
And this is why SJWs have earned such a bad reputation, and this has happened outside of Twitter as well. The Yale protests a couple years ago come to mind.

To me it seems like you are attacking the messagener so you don't have to address the crazies on your team.
 

realibrad

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People go nuts on Twitter all the time about stupid things and it's completely meaningless. I don't think the OP actually cares what some idiots on Twitter are whining about for one second.

How have I policed anyone? I do not understand so I asked a general question as to why. Did you make something up in your head that did not happen?
 

realibrad

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So Asians can't wear Western clothing? Stupid asses.

They can because they are not in a position of power. There is a hierarchy and you are allowed to punch up, but not punch down. That is how its been explained to me.

Cultural appropriation is a concept in sociology dealing with the adoption of the elements of a minority culture by members of the dominant culture.[1][2][3] It is distinguished from equal cultural exchange due to the presence of a colonial element and imbalance of power.[4][3] Cultural appropriation is often portrayed as harmful in contemporary cultures, and is claimed to be a violation of the collective intellectual property rights of the originating, minority cultures, notably indigenous cultures and those living under colonial rule.[2][5][6] Often unavoidable when multiple cultures come together, cultural appropriation can include using other cultures' cultural and religious traditions, fashion, symbols, language, and songs.[7][8][9]

So, because Asians are not considered in a position of power it is okay if they were to wear western clothes.
 

realibrad

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People go nuts on Twitter all the time about stupid things and it's completely meaningless. I don't think the OP actually cares what some idiots on Twitter are whining about for one second.

So when is a group of people going nuts meaningless, and when is it a real part of the movement aka gamergate?
 

fskimospy

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And this is why SJWs have earned such a bad reputation, and this has happened outside of Twitter as well. The Yale protests a couple years ago come to mind.

The fact that you have to go back a few years to some random people protesting on a college campus shows just how little of a problem this really is. Also, 'SJW's don't have a bad reputation, that's just a right wing meme. Generally the people who have a bad reputation are those that use the abbreviation 'SJW', haha.

I bet you I can go on Twitter and find some people ranting about how Voltron supports communism or how Sandy Hook is a hoax, or how the moon landing is fake. None of that is newsworthy because Twitter is filled with idiots saying those things.
 

sdifox

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Based on some of the Twitter posts I read Western people, especially white people, have no culture, so it isn't appropriation. But anything whites use from others is appropriation because everything in non-white cultures is sacred.

I normally hate the reverse racism card, but I don't see how those beliefs aren't reverse racism. If nothing else it is anti-diversity.


That is retarded. Cultural appropriation is when the Hudson Bay company sells a sweater with first nation (Cowichan) design during the Vancouver Olympics without acknowledging it nor compensating the band.
 
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fskimospy

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How have I policed anyone? I do not understand so I asked a general question as to why. Did you make something up in your head that did not happen?

I have no interest in this 'who, me?' nonsense. Your post obviously implicitly criticized their decision to criticize the OP. I'm not posting on this anymore because it's dumb.
 
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Well why censor? If the position is that people are too sensitive to others, then, shutting up those people is just the other side of the coin no?
I wouldn't frame it as censorship. But there's more than a few people here who do nothing but thread-crap and contribute nothing to discussion in this forum. It would be one thing for this behavior to be occasional (I'm all about cutting people a little slack as I despise a police state mentality), but it's quite another thing to allow this kind of toxic behavior to run rampant without consequence.
 

realibrad

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I have no interest in this 'who, me?' nonsense. Your post obviously implicitly criticized their decision to criticize the OP. I'm not posting on this anymore because it's dumb.

I have criticized because I do not think it logically follows, but, have left open the door to the possibility that I may not understand their motives.

Do as you will, but it still seems illogical.
 

realibrad

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I wouldn't frame it as censorship. But there's more than a few people here who do nothing but thread-crap and contribute nothing to discussion in this forum. It would be one thing for this behavior to be occasional (as I'm all about cutting people a little slack as I despise a police state mentality), but it's quite another thing to allow this kind of toxic behavior to run rampant.

It would literally be censorship. You feel people are not contributing to what you believe is a productive discussion so you do not want them to talk here.

You are probably right that there are people that do that, but, as a general rule I don't think its good to do. Depending on where the power is distributed, you would get people censoring anyone they disagree with.
 

realibrad

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That is retarded. Cultural appropriation is when the Hudson Bay company sells a sweater with first nation (Cowichan) design during the Vancouver Olympics without acknowledging it nor compensating the band.

That is not the definition though.
 

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So would it be better if dreadlocks were still looked down on? Or is it good that they became acceptable in the main stream? The music I can understand if they stole the actual songs or parts of them, but all music grows from each other. So Elivis listened to black gospel and early rock, he liked it and started singing it himself. It's not his fault he took off, but it ended up helping many black artists as well.

Why are you not offended by Asian cultures stealing from Western cultures?
When the Chinese steal our intellectual property and profit from reselling it that is appropriation by theft.
When the majority get to be the sole arbiter of a products legitimacy that is appropriation by power.

Many times in art and culture it is rare to create something completely unique. To use your Elvis example I don't think he made any attempt to disavow his being influenced by black music so as long as you give proper respect/homage to the source I don't consider it an appropriation. If you recall back then conservatives didn't take too kindly to Elvis calling him lewd, etc. If done properly an artist will be respected not labeled as an appropriator.
 
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It would literally be censorship. You feel people are not contributing to what you believe is a productive discussion so you do not want them to talk here.

You are probably right that there are people that do that, but, as a general rule I don't think its good to do. Depending on where the power is distributed, you would get people censoring anyone they disagree with.
Having a relatively civil framework for discussion in a discussion forum is not censorship in my opinion....it's responsible governance. I don't mind people here saying another is an idiot (in fact, I like this freedom)...but they need to at least explain why they hold that opinion. Too much low IQ tribalism and drive-by booger flingings imo. Looks like we'll just have to disagree on this one.
 

WelshBloke

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Is this like when 14 year old girls wear Iron Maiden or Ramones tshirts? Because that is annoying to tell the truth.
 
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the op is a racist and thinks white people are victims because some randoms on twitter decided to tell this girl off. Thats the point of this thread. Good job on the 3 pages I guess.