hal2kilo
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Yes the extreme left can be as anti science as your average conservative. Let's break out the Tarot cards.
How many times can you contradict yourself in one post?
Bad script? Poor translation?
But, we have been talking about the modern movement. You are going way back to a different anti vax movement.
There is no such thing as a different anti-vax movement. Anti-vax suspicions don't start and stop, then start and stop. Anti-vax suspicions have been constant, though sometimes ebbing, and sometimes flowing, throughout the history of vaccinations. There is no formal movement either.
Anti-vax was more popular on the left for about 10 years, late 1990's to late 2000's. Currently polling shows it's either even or slightly more common on the right. All you can really say here is that for a time, more liberals seemed to buy into the current anti-vax fad, which is fueled by Wakefield's autism claims. Which has changed in recent years. That's really about it.
But, we have been talking about the modern movement. You are going way back to a different anti vax movement.
For sure you can consider them different movements. The movement of the 19th century peaked and then fell off quite a bit. Again we are having another, so its perfectly reasonable to consider them different movements.
As for your 2nd part, yes. Someone had said they thought the movement was a left thing, and Amused said no that was a lie. I then said that I think it comes from the fact that this movement was mainly started by the Left and is now more split.
Or enough folks refusing to vaccinate and our heard immunity to diseases that were essentially wiped out began to fail. I'm sure measles, mumps, chicken pox and whooping cough aren't just back because of improved diagnosis and hysteria. Quite often these isolated outbreaks can be traced back to an individual unvaccinated child.You must all realize that an increase in disease can have many explanations, such as improved diagnosis and plain old hysteria.
Amused didn't lie. He was citing current polling which shows that today, it's a little bigger on the right than the left. I've been linking surveys on this board for years which were showing it even as a response to people who were claiming it was primarily on the left. You're calling it a lie for not acknowledging that it was more people on the left 10-15 years ago. Yet he never made a claim about its origin.
I went back and read his comments. Not a one is factually inaccurate. It IS trending on the right now, and it's a pattern with conspiracy theories proliferating on the right. When a conspiracy theory which was once more popular on the left is now more popular on the right, what does that tell you? Since ct's associated with one ideology rarely spread to the other, it tells me that something is wrong on the right. That and those other 20 ct's they're buying into right now. Sorry if that isn't "both sides" enough for you.
Anti-vax sentiment has been a running thread in our culture since there have been vaccines. We seem to experience an uptick every so often, which oddly enough is usually an import from the UK. I think treating it as separate movements every time there is an uptick is ignoring that we have a running problem with being suspicious of science and medicine, as a culture.
Read what I said again. I did not say Amused was lying. I said he claimed it was a lie that its a Left wing thing.
Read what I said again. I did not say Amused was lying. I said he claimed it was a lie that its a Left wing thing.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Anti-vax sentiment on the left is driven by concerns over the preservative thimerosol used in some vaccines. Although highly inaccurate, those concerns led to reformulation of most children's vaccines. It never was sentiment against vaccination per se. Lefties, in general, are believers in collective action & the herd immunity derived from mass vaccination dovetails nicely with that.
Lefties are also more persuadable with factual information. They're not anti-science. Far right Christian conservatives put it in terms of God's will & that's that.
There's also a basic difference in philosophy. Libs see vaccination risk not just in terms of protecting our own children but in terms of protecting everybody. Conservatives often take the attitude that their kids don't need to be protected since everybody else is vaccinated, disregarding any sense of obligation to the rest of society.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Anti-vax sentiment on the left is driven by concerns over the preservative thimerosol used in some vaccines. Although highly inaccurate, those concerns led to reformulation of most children's vaccines. It never was sentiment against vaccination per se. Lefties, in general, are believers in collective action & the herd immunity derived from mass vaccination dovetails nicely with that.
Lefties are also more persuadable with factual information. They're not anti-science. Far right Christian conservatives put it in terms of God's will & that's that.
Reasons are different, outcome is the same. Why do you think anything that you just said disputes what I said?
Because you're going with the "they're just as bad" routine. I think it's important to understand that people have reasons for what they do, even when they're wrong.
I think it's much more important than that to realize that Russian psyops have reasons for what they do & for feeding whatever controversies we have in this country. It's to set us against each other. Which means we all need to work more from the facts than the feels because we're harder to manipulate at that level.
BTW, I believe that I shouldn't call anyone an idiot without explaining their idiocy, even if everyone who reads this already knows. Idiot is a word that is too often abused.
Anti-vaxxing comes from 2 motives. The first is the fear of injection, ie who knows what's in that needle? The second is from the fact that vaccines have been so successful that no one they know gets those diseases anymore. Thus, the first thing becomes a greater fear than the disease.
And that's what makes the anti-vaxxers idiots. Because throughout human history, except quite recently, it's always been the exception, and not the rule, that a person would die from old age. Far, far more people who have ever lived, until now, have died from disease than from any other cause.
Alex Jones, and the vast majority of the conspiracy driven right-wing are anti-vaxx.
And as the right-wing mainstreams batshit to suit it's own twisted ends, the number of right-wing anti-vaxxers grows.
It's a mistake to think the majority of anti-vaxxers are left wing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ch-of-hippie-liberals/?utm_term=.a92af119b97e
In recent years, the anti-vaxx crowd has been skewing increasing right-wing.
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I have yet to find a single right-wing "Illuminati" conspiracy believer that is not anti-vaxx.
How many times can you contradict yourself in one post?
The making others suffer for it is the certainty. Medication-resistant disease is on the rise. We were so close to wiping out certain diseases forever.. so close.We are three generations removed from these diseases causing widespread disease, disability and death. The vast majority of society has not witnessed these things. Therefore they are easy prey for history revisionist bullshit. Unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the population who must learn everything the hard way. Even more unfortunate is that, in this case, they are making others suffer for it
Excellent troll game... it will piss the lefties off it will piss the righties off, now just stand back and enjoy the fight. I give it a 6/10, you need to diversify a bit, followup and pick your right audience(this aint it)... But other than that bravo. Bravo.
The making others suffer for it is the certainty. Medication-resistant disease is on the rise. We were so close to wiping out certain diseases forever.. so close.
Nope, that is not what I was doing. Not even close. That said, of all the things you would choose to talk about, this is one where its pretty evenly split as shown by the data from Amused.
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Are you saying these numbers are not close?
