TV: Is it news or government propaganda?

cquark

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The Bush administration has introduced a new level of propaganda into our TV media: the prepackaged "news" report, which are designed to fit seamlessly into TV news. and where the "reporters" are careful to avoid saying that they work for the US government.

The Government Accountability Office has held that these segments may constitute improper "covert propaganda" even if their origin was made clear to viewers, which, of course, it's not. On Friday, the Bush Justice Department circulated a memo telling federal agencies to ignore GAO findings and continue to produce the "news" segments.

From http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/polit...er=homepage&pagewanted=print&position=
March 13, 2005
Under Bush, a New Age of Prepackaged Television News
By DAVID BARSTOW and ROBIN STEIN

It is the kind of TV news coverage every president covets.

"Thank you, Bush. Thank you, U.S.A.," a jubilant Iraqi-American told a
camera crew in Kansas City for a segment about reaction to the fall of
Baghdad. A second report told of "another success" in the Bush
administration's "drive to strengthen aviation security"; the reporter
called it "one of the most remarkable campaigns in aviation history."
A third segment, broadcast in January, described the administration's
determination to open markets for American farmers.

To a viewer, each report looked like any other 90-second segment on
the local news. In fact, the federal government produced all three.
The report from Kansas City was made by the State Department. The
"reporter" covering airport safety was actually a public relations
professional working under a false name for the Transportation
Security Administration. The farming segment was done by the
Agriculture Department's office of communications.
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conjur

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Chomsky is looking more and more like the lone beacon of truth in a sea of propaganda.

I finally got a chance to listen to the 1st part of his debate with Richard Perle from back in 1988. He nails Perle on several aspects of the U.S. foreign policy in Central America to which Perle snaps back with 3rd-grade insults.

Total pwnage!
 

Czar

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... didnt bush and co do this with the medicare bill or the no child left behind bill and it was deemed illegal in courts?

dont remember it well enough, could someone clarify?
 

Martin

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I remember Jon making fun of them for doing these things...he had a segment on the medicare bill when it was signed.

Kinda sad how a self-described "fake news" show has to do the work of "real" news shows...
 

cquark

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Originally posted by: Czar
... didnt bush and co do this with the medicare bill or the no child left behind bill and it was deemed illegal in courts?

dont remember it well enough, could someone clarify?

Yes, Bush has done this before and been rebuked by the GAO, but he continues to use government propaganda videos as "news" reports.

You can find one report of the Medicare bill propaganda at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/20/polit...1110949200&en=1b017f1092153bd5&ei=5070
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: cquark
Originally posted by: Czar
... didnt bush and co do this with the medicare bill or the no child left behind bill and it was deemed illegal in courts?

dont remember it well enough, could someone clarify?

Yes, Bush has done this before and been rebuked by the GAO, but he continues to use government propaganda videos as "news" reports.

You can find one report of the Medicare bill propaganda at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/20/polit...1110949200&en=1b017f1092153bd5&ei=5070
ah thought so

So Bush is now knowingly violating federal law........ where is the outrage???

 

cquark

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Originally posted by: Czar
where is the outrage???

I think people are tired of outrage, so if you don't have a good propaganda machine to fuel the fires, you get little response to a mere series of newspaper articles and government reports.

 

conjur

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Newsman says dissent stifled
BOB EDWARDS SAYS CURRENT PERIOD LIKE MCCARTHY ERA
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/state/11106776.htm
DANVILLE-- Louisville native Bob Edwards warned last night that the United States is in a period like the McCarthy era of the 1950s, in which the government is stifling political dissent while the news media and the public fail to speak out in vigorous opposition.

Speaking at Centre College, Edwards, a host for XM Satellite Radio, said the "Bush administration holds reporters in contempt" and has become the "all-time champion of information control."

Edwards built a theme based on a quote by Bush's former press secretary, Ari Fleischer, in the wake of 9/11: "People should watch what they say."

Edwards also said journalists "have done a terrible job explaining their role to the public."

He quoted Edward R. Murrow's famous TV response to Sen. Joseph McCarthy's communist witch hunt: "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty," and "we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."
I always wondered why he "left" NPR. I think we're beginning to get the picture.
 

Gaard

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I'm e-mailing Hannity right now so that he can opine about this on his show.
 

judasmachine

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everyone has a slant, so there is absolutely NO WAY TO GET ANYTHING UNBIASED. choose the outlet with your slant and go with it.
 

SuperTool

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TV news is either outright propaganda like Fox, or it's completely dull and tries not to offend anyone and sit on both sides of the fence (CNN, etc and so on)
We don't really have a mainstream media organization that is acting as a watchdog, which is one of the functions of media in a democracy. I cancelled cable long time ago because it's not worth watching.
I can DL the shows I like online, and 24hr news is pathetic. They care more about Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson than about all the things that are relevant to Americans combined.
 

Dissipate

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This isn't news. The government has been running propaganda campaigns in the public schools and news media for decades.
 

cquark

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
everyone has a slant, so there is absolutely NO WAY TO GET ANYTHING UNBIASED. choose the outlet with your slant and go with it.

You might want to read the thread. It's not about bias.

It's about the government displaying propaganda under the guise of independent news.
 

Cerb

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It's corporate propaganda.
When that matches with what the government folks want to say, it appears government propaganda. But the line between them is fine.
 

PatboyX

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follow up story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35010-2005Mar14.html

requires registration so...

Administration Rejects Ruling On PR Videos
GAO Called Tapes Illegal Propaganda

By Christopher Lee
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 15, 2005; Page A21

The Bush administration, rejecting an opinion from the Government Accountability Office, said last week that it is legal for federal agencies to feed TV stations prepackaged news stories that do not disclose the government's role in producing them.

That message, in memos sent Friday to federal agency heads and general counsels, contradicts a Feb. 17 memo from Comptroller General David M. Walker. Walker wrote that such stories -- designed to resemble independently reported broadcast news stories so that TV stations can run them without editing -- violate provisions in annual appropriations laws that ban covert propaganda.

But Joshua B. Bolten, director of the Office of Management and Budget, and Steven G. Bradbury, principal deputy assistant attorney general at the Justice Department, said in memos last week that the administration disagrees with the GAO's ruling. And, in any case, they wrote, the department's Office of Legal Counsel, not the GAO, the investigative arm of Congress, provides binding legal interpretations for federal agencies to follow.

The legal counsel's office "does not agree with GAO that the covert propaganda prohibition applies simply because an agency's role in producing and disseminating information is undisclosed or 'covert,' regardless of whether the content of the message is 'propaganda,' " Bradbury wrote. "Our view is that the prohibition does not apply where there is no advocacy of a particular viewpoint, and therefore it does not apply to the legitimate provision of information concerning the programs administered by an agency."

The existence of the memos was reported Sunday by the New York Times.

Supporters say prepackaged news stories are a common public relations tool with roots in previous administrations, that their exterior packaging typically identifies the government as the source, and that it is up to news organizations, not the government, to reveal to viewers where the material they broadcast came from.

Critics have derided such video news releases as taxpayer-financed attempts by the administration to promote its policies in the guise of independent news reports.

Within the last year, the GAO has rapped the Department of Health and Human Services and the Office of National Drug Control Policy for distributing such stories about the Medicare drug benefit and the administration's anti-drug campaign, respectively.

In an interview yesterday, Walker said the administration's approach is both contrary to appropriations law and unethical.

"This is more than a legal issue. It's also an ethical issue and involves important good government principles, namely the need for openness in connection with government activities and expenditures," Walker said. "We should not just be seeking to do what's arguably legal. We should be doing what's right."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said yesterday that federal agencies have used video news releases for years. "As long as they are providing factual information, it's okay," he said.

Walker said that even by that standard, some prepackaged news stories are out of bounds.

"Congress has got to settle it -- either Congress or the courts," Walker said. "Congress may need to provide additional guidance with regard to their intent in this overall area."

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) said through a spokesman yesterday that he will try to attach language to an appropriations bill to clarify that taxpayer money cannot be spent on such productions. He and fellow Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (Mass.) wrote to President Bush yesterday asking him to pull back the new memos from Justice and the OMB.

They noted that following revelations this year that the Education Department had paid conservative commentator Armstrong Williams to promote the No Child Left Behind law, Bush had directed agencies to abandon such clandestine public relations practices.

"Whether in the form of a payment to an actual journalist, or through the creation of a fake one, it is wrong to deceive the public with the creation of phony news stories," the lawmakers wrote.
 

conjur

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The GOP just doesn't give a sh*t. They think propaganda is just fine. And we're supposed to trust Spellings (the Propagandist's hot little item) to correct things? HA!!

'Propaganda' bill nixed in House
http://www.connpost.com/news/ci_2709446
House Republicans Wednesday soundly rejected an effort by Democrats to ban the Department of Education from spending money on "covert propaganda."
The House voted 224 to 197 against a measure, championed by Reps. Rosa DeLauro, D-3, and George Miller, D-Calif., aimed at blocking the department from creating sham news stories or hiring columnists to promote policies.

The lawmakers had hoped to attach the ban to legislation on vocational education that was debated Wednesday in the House.

They had previously sponsored a bill seeking a government-wide ban after it was revealed in a series of news reports that the Bush administration had used taxpayer dollars to finance covert propaganda campaigns.
Sickening.
 
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
TV news is either outright propaganda like Fox, or it's completely dull and tries not to offend anyone and sit on both sides of the fence (CNN, etc and so on)
We don't really have a mainstream media organization that is acting as a watchdog, which is one of the functions of media in a democracy. I cancelled cable long time ago because it's not worth watching.
I can DL the shows I like online, and 24hr news is pathetic. They care more about Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson than about all the things that are relevant to Americans combined.

Now that's the truth. Although to be fair, who really cares about the news when we've got Battlestar Galactica! :) Man that new version rocks!

I also recently bought Firefly, and I'm bummed (and completely confused as to why) it got cancelled after just a dozen episodes.

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
The GOP just doesn't give a sh*t. They think propaganda is just fine. And we're supposed to trust Spellings (the Propagandist's hot little item) to correct things? HA!!

'Propaganda' bill nixed in House
http://www.connpost.com/news/ci_2709446
House Republicans Wednesday soundly rejected an effort by Democrats to ban the Department of Education from spending money on "covert propaganda."
The House voted 224 to 197 against a measure, championed by Reps. Rosa DeLauro, D-3, and George Miller, D-Calif., aimed at blocking the department from creating sham news stories or hiring columnists to promote policies.

The lawmakers had hoped to attach the ban to legislation on vocational education that was debated Wednesday in the House.

They had previously sponsored a bill seeking a government-wide ban after it was revealed in a series of news reports that the Bush administration had used taxpayer dollars to finance covert propaganda campaigns.
Sickening.

Ah, yes, but the Democrats are 100% on the up and up, right?

Jason
 

conjur

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Never said they were but they are FAR from being anywhere near as disgusting as the current crop of GOP corporate whores.