Turns out it IS all the fault of the rich. Proof inside!

[schizoid]

Seriously.

 

[sandorski]

Because.

 

[Orsorum]

Because they exploit the working class.

 

[sandorski]

You may want to expand on the thought so we know WTF you are talking about.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: schizoid
Seriously.

Thats a mind-provoking thought schizoid. It IS the poor people's fault. They should pull that $50,000 out of their back pocket, stroll into college, and get hired in one of millions of open IT positions and boost the economy already! Its soooo easy!

 

[Orsorum]

Life is always easier if you make excuses. Blame others and you abdicate any responsibility for your position.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: sandorski
You may want to expand on the thought so we know WTF you are talking about.

 

[rjain]

It's all the rich peoples' fault because they worked their asses off to get their money and the poor people just sat around and waited for the money to come to them. The rich people shouldn't have been so insensitive and just sat around with the poor people, so they'd be poor, too.

 

[Schadenfroh]

because they become fat off of the labour of the proletariats

 

[IGBT]

Yeah..right..generational handout entitlement programs are their fault. Go get your self fitted for a shopping cart.

 

[naddicott]

Originally posted by: IGBT
Yeah..right..generational handout entitlement programs are their fault.

Who do you think is ultimately responsible for the repeal of the estate tax? Estate transfer is a generational handout entitlement program if I've ever seen one.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: rjain
It's all the rich peoples' fault because they worked their asses off to get their money and the poor people just sat around and waited for the money to come to them. The rich people shouldn't have been so insensitive and just sat around with the poor people, so they'd be poor, too.

Hey, I didn't work my ass off for my money, I worked for it, but I know lots of people that work much harder and are much worse off, I don't appologize for the fact that I have money, but I don't agree with the argument that all rich people worked for their money, there are far to many trust fund babies running around with absolutely no sense for money.

 

[ElFenix]

they all defraud the masses and have the politicians in their backpockets and only got their position through connections to other rich people!

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: rjain
It's all the rich peoples' fault because they worked their asses off to get their money

You mean worked their asses off like Georgie boy did?

 

[csf]

Originally posted by: naddicott

Originally posted by: IGBT
Yeah..right..generational handout entitlement programs are their fault.

Who do you think is ultimately responsible for the repeal of the estate tax? Estate transfer is a generational handout entitlement program if I've ever seen one.

What makes it your business to decide how wealthy people allocate their own money and property after they die? At least people have a valid reason to be upset about entitlement programs, because they're actually paying a good share of the income for them. However, whining about how rich people have too much money and shouldn't be allowed to do what they want with they have earned and now own reeks of nothing more than sour grapes.

 

[Tom]

Because rich people don't get rich in a vacuum. The economic system is imperfect, some people get rich because they actually earn it, others get rich because of the imperfections.

All the limited estate tax does is reset the playing field once in awhile so that new generations get their chance to earn wealth.

 

[rjain]

Why does GWB have to be the only example of a "rich person" that you anti-capitalist crazies come up with? So what if his father gave him money. Should your father not be allowed to give you money? Is the family such a horrible structure that we should just abolish it right now?

 

[Red Dawn]

If I were Rich I would side with the Rich but I'm not so I don't. What I am is self centered and I only care what is best for me. Now if you can show me why feeling sorry for the Rich is in my best interest then I will feel sorry for them. Of course I feel the same about the poor.

 

[ReiAyanami]

well obviously if your dad works hard and saves up so that you can have a better future, all the money should goto the government instead of you so that it can be distributed fairly to everyone else...

 

[naddicott]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
well obviously if your dad works hard and saves up so that you can have a better future, all the money should goto the government instead of you so that it can be distributed fairly to everyone else...

What a BS example.

All the money has never gone to the government. Only the richest 2% of American families were ever subject to the estate tax. The first million in assets has always been completely exempt from estate taxes. My dad does work hard and save up so I can have a better future, and when he passes, none of the money would have been subject to the original estate tax, because in his lifetime he isn't going to be able to amass over a million in assets. The idea that this tax ever affected the "average Joe" or that it took all of someone's assets and gave them to the government is a wholy false assertion that the lobbyists for the rich tried to sell to the ignorant American public which the public in general took hook line and sinker. (Just because 70% of Americans think everyone is subject to the estate tax, doesn't mean that was ever true)

I would favor adjusting that exemption to keep up with inflation.

The sad thing is, a large number of families who would have been subject to the estate tax are petitioning to have it restored, headed up by Bill Gates Sr.:
A call to preserve the estate tax. (with 1,560 signers who would have owed estate taxes or would pay estate taxes in the future under the old law)

[edit: btw... the exemption is $2 million for a couple. edit: link fixed]

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Like they say, money is the root of all evil...

 

[rjain]

I get the impression that the prevailing belief here is that evil is the root of all money

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: rjain
I get the impression that the prevailing belief here is that evil is the root of all money

That too.

 

[burnedout]

Why it's all the rich people's fault.

Damn them all.

Damn Gates(primarily for his money but also for his crappy software), Warren Buffett, Balmer, Paul Allen, Ellison, Sam Walton, Michael Dell and anyone else starting with little or nothing who hits it big. Damn my self-made millionaire boss who provides me with a great job.

Damn every one of them. We should all just take their money. They didn't earn it.

 

[rjain]

Actually, Gates started with a few million from his dad. Of course, that's nothing compared to the "few" billion he grew it into.