Turned my landline off. Yay! DirecTV's having a fit. Boo.

[iwearnosox]

Directivos shut themselves off with no landline, I called and they turned them back on with teh psychic link they have with them.

What's to keep someone from activating a couple other receivers and activating a friend's house or two? Nothing, apparently.

 

[Looney]

What's to keep someone from activating a couple other receivers and activating a friend's house or two? Nothing, apparently.

The access card?

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

What's to keep someone from activating a couple other receivers and activating a friend's house or two? Nothing, apparently.

The access card?

I don't think you're processing that clearly. The access card is legit, as well as the subscription.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

What's to keep someone from activating a couple other receivers and activating a friend's house or two? Nothing, apparently.

The access card?

I don't think you're processing that clearly. The access card is legit, as well as the subscription.

No, i mean your statement. You can't just activate other receivers at a friends card, because of the access card.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

What's to keep someone from activating a couple other receivers and activating a friend's house or two? Nothing, apparently.

The access card?

I don't think you're processing that clearly. The access card is legit, as well as the subscription.

No, i mean your statement. You can't just activate other receivers at a friends card, because of the access card.

My statement was pretty rhetorical. The answer is there's nothing to keep you from activating a new receiver and card on your existing account, then putting that receiver with dish at someone else's house. The only "leash" they have is having the box call in, which is apparently something they don't care about as they reactivated the units without question.

I am not condoning this nor do I wish this to be a service theft thread, I found this pretty curious though.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

What's to keep someone from activating a couple other receivers and activating a friend's house or two? Nothing, apparently.

The access card?

I don't think you're processing that clearly. The access card is legit, as well as the subscription.

No, i mean your statement. You can't just activate other receivers at a friends card, because of the access card.

My statement was pretty rhetorical. The answer is there's nothing to keep you from activating a new receiver and card on your existing account, then putting that receiver with dish at someone else's house. The only "leash" they have is having the box call in, which is apparently something they don't care about as they reactivated the units without question.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that, as long as the subscription is paid for. Infact, there's a 'grey market' of American satellites up here in Canada, of Canadian installing DTV dishes, and having the subscription under a US friend's name (and paid for by the US friend).

 

[Looney]

I am not condoning this nor do I wish this to be a service theft thread, I found this pretty curious though.

Well it's not theft. Everytime you activate a new receiver, it's in essence a new subscription you're paying for.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

I am not condoning this nor do I wish this to be a service theft thread, I found this pretty curious though.

Well it's not theft. Everytime you activate a new receiver, it's in essence a new subscription you're paying for.

Not really, there's only a $5/mo directivo fee affiliated with it vs a whole new $50-$80 account fee. It's theft if it's not at your house.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

I am not condoning this nor do I wish this to be a service theft thread, I found this pretty curious though.

Well it's not theft. Everytime you activate a new receiver, it's in essence a new subscription you're paying for.

Not really, there's only a $5/mo directivo fee affiliated with it vs a whole new $50-$80 account fee. It's theft if it's not at your house.

But you can't activate any other Tivo's without activating a new 'account'. A DirecTivo receiver is like any other receiver, each requires a unique access card that is married to that specific receiver. And to activate each access card, requires opening a new subscription for that access card. What you're assuming is that you can just activate any other DirecTivo's and pretend it's your subscription, right? But you can't. The hash code that is created to activate each receiver comes from each access card, and if the access card is not directly identical to yours, they won't be activated. Of course there's ways to clone cards, but without a smart card programmer, you won't be able to do it.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

I am not condoning this nor do I wish this to be a service theft thread, I found this pretty curious though.

Well it's not theft. Everytime you activate a new receiver, it's in essence a new subscription you're paying for.

Not really, there's only a $5/mo directivo fee affiliated with it vs a whole new $50-$80 account fee. It's theft if it's not at your house.

But you can't activate any other Tivo's without activating a new 'account'. A DirecTivo receiver is like any other receiver, each requires a unique access card that is married to that specific receiver. And to activate each access card, requires opening a new subscription for that access card. What you're assuming is that you can just activate any other DirecTivo's and pretend it's your subscription, right? But you can't. The hash code that is created to activate each receiver comes from each access card, and if the access card is not directly identical to yours, they won't be activated. Of course there's ways to clone cards, but without a smart card programmer, you won't be able to do it.

Yeah, you're overthinking it. I buy a directivo, it has a p4 card in it. I activate it on my existing account, then install it somewhere else. Presto, service freeloading. Additional cost to my existing account = $5.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

I am not condoning this nor do I wish this to be a service theft thread, I found this pretty curious though.

Well it's not theft. Everytime you activate a new receiver, it's in essence a new subscription you're paying for.

Not really, there's only a $5/mo directivo fee affiliated with it vs a whole new $50-$80 account fee. It's theft if it's not at your house.

But you can't activate any other Tivo's without activating a new 'account'. A DirecTivo receiver is like any other receiver, each requires a unique access card that is married to that specific receiver. And to activate each access card, requires opening a new subscription for that access card. What you're assuming is that you can just activate any other DirecTivo's and pretend it's your subscription, right? But you can't. The hash code that is created to activate each receiver comes from each access card, and if the access card is not directly identical to yours, they won't be activated. Of course there's ways to clone cards, but without a smart card programmer, you won't be able to do it.

Yeah, you're overthinking it. I buy a directivo, it has a p4 card in it. I activate it on my existing account, then install it somewhere else. Presto, service freeloading. Additional cost to my existing account = $5.

You can't just plug the access card into another receiver though. Like i said, each access card is specifically married to that receiver. It's like saying if you have one receiver in the living room, and want another in the bedroom, but don't want to pay for another subscription. So you'll just carry the living room access card to the bedroom receiver, it won't work.

EDIT: ooooh, unless you mean another subscription for the 2nd access card under your account is only $5 more?! If that's true, then yeah, that'll work... and damn, i never knew a 2nd subscription is so cheap with DTV. Here in Canada it's essentially the cost of another subscription.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

I am not condoning this nor do I wish this to be a service theft thread, I found this pretty curious though.

Well it's not theft. Everytime you activate a new receiver, it's in essence a new subscription you're paying for.

Not really, there's only a $5/mo directivo fee affiliated with it vs a whole new $50-$80 account fee. It's theft if it's not at your house.

But you can't activate any other Tivo's without activating a new 'account'. A DirecTivo receiver is like any other receiver, each requires a unique access card that is married to that specific receiver. And to activate each access card, requires opening a new subscription for that access card. What you're assuming is that you can just activate any other DirecTivo's and pretend it's your subscription, right? But you can't. The hash code that is created to activate each receiver comes from each access card, and if the access card is not directly identical to yours, they won't be activated. Of course there's ways to clone cards, but without a smart card programmer, you won't be able to do it.

Yeah, you're overthinking it. I buy a directivo, it has a p4 card in it. I activate it on my existing account, then install it somewhere else. Presto, service freeloading. Additional cost to my existing account = $5.

You can't just plug the access card into another receiver though. Like i said, each access card is specifically married to that receiver. It's like saying if you have one receiver in the living room, and want another in the bedroom, but don't want to pay for another subscription. So you'll just carry the living room access card to the bedroom receiver, it won't work.

Why is such a simple concept being lost on you, are you drunk? I'm not talking about plugging anything into anything else. I'm talking about a buying a brand new directivo box with card (included in the factory fresh box) at a regular store and just activating it on my exisitng directv account without hacking or anything. Take that box and put it anywhere in the world you'd like because it doesn't need to call in- as long as the primary account is in good standing it will remain on...

 

[AvesPKS]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

I am not condoning this nor do I wish this to be a service theft thread, I found this pretty curious though.

Well it's not theft. Everytime you activate a new receiver, it's in essence a new subscription you're paying for.

Not really, there's only a $5/mo directivo fee affiliated with it vs a whole new $50-$80 account fee. It's theft if it's not at your house.

But you can't activate any other Tivo's without activating a new 'account'. A DirecTivo receiver is like any other receiver, each requires a unique access card that is married to that specific receiver. And to activate each access card, requires opening a new subscription for that access card. What you're assuming is that you can just activate any other DirecTivo's and pretend it's your subscription, right? But you can't. The hash code that is created to activate each receiver comes from each access card, and if the access card is not directly identical to yours, they won't be activated. Of course there's ways to clone cards, but without a smart card programmer, you won't be able to do it.

Yeah, you're overthinking it. I buy a directivo, it has a p4 card in it. I activate it on my existing account, then install it somewhere else. Presto, service freeloading. Additional cost to my existing account = $5.

You can't just plug the access card into another receiver though. Like i said, each access card is specifically married to that receiver. It's like saying if you have one receiver in the living room, and want another in the bedroom, but don't want to pay for another subscription. So you'll just carry the living room access card to the bedroom receiver, it won't work.

Why is such a simple concept being lost on you, are you drunk? I'm not talking about plugging anything into anything else. I'm talking about a buying a brand new directivo box with card (included in the factory fresh box) at a regular store and just activating it on my exisitng directv account without hacking or anything. Take that box and put it anywhere in the world you'd like because it doesn't need to call in- as long as the primary account is in good standing it will remain on...

This could make the service a lot cheaper...if everyone chips in, and you were to split it between, like, 4 people, you could have full programming for pretty cheap.

 

[Looney]

Man, i had no idea it was that cheap to activate additional accounts. Maybe i should call my local satellite dealers and see if there's been changes here as well.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Man, i had no idea it was that cheap to activate additional accounts. Maybe i should call my local satellite dealers and see if there's been changes here as well.

There's a flat $5 fee to add an additional directivo receiver to my account. I've had up to 4 attached but currently only have two. Those without lifetime service may incur an additional $5/mo fee, I'm unsure of the recent price structure.

 

[iwearnosox]

This could make the service a lot cheaper...if everyone chips in, and you were to split it between, like, 4 people, you could have full programming for pretty cheap.

Exactly. It's theft, but I cannot think of any detection method unless they require a call in or come over every few months for an inspection...

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Man, i had no idea it was that cheap to activate additional accounts. Maybe i should call my local satellite dealers and see if there's been changes here as well.

There's a flat $5 fee to add an additional directivo receiver to my account. I've had up to 4 attached but currently only have two. Those without lifetime service may incur an additional $5/mo fee, I'm unsure of the recent price structure.

Oooh, is that to activate just the tivo services, or the satellite subscription to?

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Man, i had no idea it was that cheap to activate additional accounts. Maybe i should call my local satellite dealers and see if there's been changes here as well.

There's a flat $5 fee to add an additional directivo receiver to my account. I've had up to 4 attached but currently only have two. Those without lifetime service may incur an additional $5/mo fee, I'm unsure of the recent price structure.

Oooh, is that to activate just the tivo services, or the satellite subscription to?

It's all of it. That box's service is mirrored to whatever service the primary box receives.

 

[Looney]

Damn that's so cheap. Have i been stealing services all these years for nothing then?!