Turkish Military Expresses Strong Disaproval of Possible Kurdish Autonomy/Ethnically Split Iraq
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The Turks have opressed the Kurds for a long long time...and they made it clear before the Iraq war started that they would not tolerate an independant Kurdish entity on the border. What they are going to actually do about it remains to be seen.
and it just happens to be a part of turkey with a major oil pipeline and some Oil Fields.
I am really starting to think that Oil is a product of the Devil, The way we fight over it and it controls our ability to live.
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Yeah, Kurdistan is loaded with oil. One of the main reasons you will never see it become a sovereign nation. If only more money was invested into renewable resources =\ (At least some car companies are pushing for hybrids)
whaaat? prove it.
whaaat? there has NEVER been a country EVER named Kurdistan..it has never existed.
does anybody check facts anymore?
If you don't know that the Turks have been opressing the Kurds, then you aren't paying attention.
By Kurdistan he is referring to the northern area of Iraq which is semi-autonomous and posseses rich oil fields around the city of Kirkuk. The Kurds want that to be Kurdistan. The only time when an official Kurdistan was proposed was after WW1 and the negotiations regarding the breakup of the old Ottoman empire. The proposal was never adopted due to resistance from the new secular Turkey.
While you are technically correct that thier has never actually been a country called Kurdistan per say, that does not change the existance of the Kurdish people and thier distinct ethnicity, language, etc. (something the Turks have tried vigorously to suppress). The Kurds unfortunately have always been smack dab in between the Turks, the Persians and the Arabs and have always been margianalized, although some historians say that the Median Empire was actually a wholly Kurdish enterprise prior to conquest by the Persians which would make it the first "Kurdistan" if true.
As tnitsuj said, yes, Kurdistan is not and never has been a sovereign nation, but the land that the Kurds want is quite well known.(and amazingly enough, referred to as Kurdistan
) And as I already stated, the area includes some very rich oil fields.I believe Hearsurgeon is once again demonstraing his rather limited knowledge of the region. He has previously refernced to the Turkish government of Islamist which is patently false. He didn't understand the difference between Islamists and political Islam.
try actually reading something for a change..
AK has its political roots in two banned Islamist parties
The fact that the current goverment is attempting to change the constitution of Turkey, the makeup of the Judiciary, and change Turkey into a non-secular, pro-islamist state is common knowledge to the man in the street in Turkey. The scary part is that the current goverment gained power with a minority of voters due to fractionation among the other parties. Indeed a MAJORITY of people voted against the current goverment taking power..but they won the largest block of votes, and hence came to power. I know way more about Turkish politics than you ever will. Your knowledge of Turkish politics is pathetic, and YOUR statement is patently false...
as far as Turks "oppressing Kurds" - Kurds are an integral part of Turkey and Turkish life. Millions of Turks are ethnic Kurds. The Goverment has been fighting armed separatists - the PKK or "Kurdish Worker's Party" (that used to be funded by the Communist Soviet Union [hence the moniker "worker's party"], in an effort to destabilize Turkey) for years. These separatists have killed over 37,000 civilians. They presumably wish to carve off the Eastern half or third of a sovereign nation that has ruled over this land for over 1000 years. There is two sides to every store. If you wish to believe that the Big Bad Turks want to wipe out the peaceloving innocent Kurds..your entitled to that opinion, but i don't believe that facts support that. the situation is much more complex, and involves much more than just the ethnic Kurds, and the Turks. A variety of outside goverments have tried to destabilize and splinter the Ottoman Empire, Turkey, etc, over many years, for their own ends. Kurds are not systematically discriminated against in Turkey. Kurds that shoot and kill political figures and soldier and police are terrorists. If Hispanics in Texas and California starting murdering politicians and policemen, and set up an armed militia intent on carving California and Texas off of the U.S., I do believe we would label those individuals as terrorists. People of Kurdish ethnicity live predominately in portions of Turkey, Iraq and Iran. Turkey and Iran have had sovereign borders for over a century. You need to understand and read the Treaty of Sevres, and the Treaty of Lausanne, to understand the forces at work in creating the current map of the region, and what the motivating forces were behind this.
Simplistic statements seldom reflect the truth.
Yes, the current president is a member of a pro-Islamist party. However, it does stand of a chance of being banned by the military.(Read up on Turkey; the military can and will forcefully remove an extremist party)
once again, you know some information without all the recent facts...the current goverment obviously also knows the historical role of the military in Turkish politics. As a result, they are trying to subordinate the military to their civilian rule under the guise of conforming to requirements for admission to the EU. Yes, the military feels a hereditary role in the formation of the Turkish Republic, and wishes to preserve their position in running the country. However, the "islamists" are trying to infiltrate and undermine the secular forces, including the military, with a variety of longterm strategies. Theyare trying to change the University structure, the military structure, the structure of the Judiciary..they are a determined lot..Turkish politics are arcane and not simply defined. it will be interesting to see what happens.
Of course they're trying to take over all facats of the Turkish government, the Islamic movement wouldn't get anywhere if they weren't trying to take over all parts of government, including the military.
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