Turkey Signals It's Prepared to Enter Iraq

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Hey, all you geniuses who are mimicking your idiot in chief, saying Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorists -- DO YOU AGREE THAT TURKEY HAS THE SAME RIGHT???

This is JUST what we need right now! And all thanks to the WORST foreign policy from any American president in memory!

Turkey Signals It's Prepared to Enter Iraq

By LOUIS MEIXLER

Turkish officials signaled Tuesday they are prepared to send the army into northern Iraq if U.S. and Iraqi forces do not take steps to combat Turkish Kurdish guerrillas there - a move that could put Turkey on a collision course with the United States.

Turkey is facing increasing domestic pressure to act after 15 soldiers, police and guards were killed fighting the guerrillas in southeastern Turkey in the past week.

"The government is really in a bind," said Seyfi Tashan, director of the Foreign Policy Institute at Bilkent University in Ankara. "On the one hand, they don't want things to break down with the United States. On the other hand, the public is crying for action."

Diplomats and experts cautioned the increasingly aggressive Turkish statements were likely aimed at calming public anger and pressing the U.S. and Iraq to act against the Turkish Kurdish guerrillas. But they also said Turkish politicians and military officers could act if nothing is done.

U.S. officials in Turkey and Washington were in contact with Turkish officials and military commanders to press them to work with Washington to combat the guerrillas and not to act alone, a Western diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.

Turkey's NTV television and Hurriyet newspaper reported the government has told the military to draw up plans for a push into northern Iraq and to advise on the possibilities such an incursion could lead to a clash with Iraqi Kurds or U.S. troops.

Any operation was unlikely before the end of August, when the current military chief of staff is replaced by an officer widely regarded as a hard-liner, NTV said.

The Western diplomat said the Turkish military long has had plans for fighting guerrillas in northern Iraq. These range from limited artillery and airstrikes on guerrilla bases, to attacks by commando forces and a broader ground offensive.

American officials, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, have repeatedly warned Turkey against entering northern Iraq, one of the few stable areas of the country.

U.S. Ambassador Ross Wilson said Turkish, Iraqi and U.S. cooperation is a "more sensible way to go forward than perhaps to ... try to do it unilaterally."

Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurdistan regional government in northern Iraq, appeared to be addressing Turkish concerns when he said Tuesday that Iraqi Kurds "won't allow anyone to harm our neighbors by using our territory."

But he also said the problem with the guerrillas "cannot be solved through military means alone," Turkey's DHA news agency reported.

Turkey considers the guerrillas terrorists and has refused to talk with them.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan appeared to confirm reports that the military was ordered to draft plans when he said Tuesday: "We know how to take care of (terrorism) on our own... Our competent units are making preparations and will continue to do so."

Erdogan's spokesman, Akif Beki, refused to comment, but referred to a statement Monday by government spokesman Cemil Cicek. Cicek called on Iraqi and U.S. forces to take stronger action against the rebels and warned that if they did not, "Turkey is going to use its international rights until the very end."

Officials reported no unusual military activity in the border regions.

A Turkish push into northern Iraq could also threaten relations with European Union countries, which have been pressing Turkey to improve rights for minority Kurds.

The Turkish Kurdish guerrillas are mostly based in the Qandil mountains, an area 50 miles from the Turkish border with Iran. From Iraq, the guerrillas infiltrate southeastern Turkey to stage attacks.

Turkey has long had some 2,000 troops in northern Iraq near the border monitoring the area. But if Turkey sent in military units they would have to travel through territory controlled by Iraqi Kurds.

"I don't think it is Turkey's desire to stage an intervention in northern Iraq," said Ilter Turan, professor of international relations at Istanbul Bilgi University. Turkey "is simply trying to draw attention to the fact that it is an untenable position."

NOTE: these Kurdish terrorists are referred to as "guerillas"! Why aren't Hezbollah fighters referred to as "guerillas" too?

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RichardE

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Originally posted by: BBond
Hey, all you geniuses who are mimicking your idiot in chief, saying Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorists -- DO YOU AGREE THAT TURKEY HAS THE SAME RIGHT???

This is JUST what we need right now! And all thanks to the WORST foreign policy from any American president in memory!

Turkey Signals It's Prepared to Enter Iraq

By LOUIS MEIXLER

Turkish officials signaled Tuesday they are prepared to send the army into northern Iraq if U.S. and Iraqi forces do not take steps to combat Turkish Kurdish guerrillas there - a move that could put Turkey on a collision course with the United States.

Turkey is facing increasing domestic pressure to act after 15 soldiers, police and guards were killed fighting the guerrillas in southeastern Turkey in the past week.

"The government is really in a bind," said Seyfi Tashan, director of the Foreign Policy Institute at Bilkent University in Ankara. "On the one hand, they don't want things to break down with the United States. On the other hand, the public is crying for action."

Diplomats and experts cautioned the increasingly aggressive Turkish statements were likely aimed at calming public anger and pressing the U.S. and Iraq to act against the Turkish Kurdish guerrillas. But they also said Turkish politicians and military officers could act if nothing is done.

U.S. officials in Turkey and Washington were in contact with Turkish officials and military commanders to press them to work with Washington to combat the guerrillas and not to act alone, a Western diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.

Turkey's NTV television and Hurriyet newspaper reported the government has told the military to draw up plans for a push into northern Iraq and to advise on the possibilities such an incursion could lead to a clash with Iraqi Kurds or U.S. troops.

Any operation was unlikely before the end of August, when the current military chief of staff is replaced by an officer widely regarded as a hard-liner, NTV said.

The Western diplomat said the Turkish military long has had plans for fighting guerrillas in northern Iraq. These range from limited artillery and airstrikes on guerrilla bases, to attacks by commando forces and a broader ground offensive.

American officials, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, have repeatedly warned Turkey against entering northern Iraq, one of the few stable areas of the country.

U.S. Ambassador Ross Wilson said Turkish, Iraqi and U.S. cooperation is a "more sensible way to go forward than perhaps to ... try to do it unilaterally."

Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurdistan regional government in northern Iraq, appeared to be addressing Turkish concerns when he said Tuesday that Iraqi Kurds "won't allow anyone to harm our neighbors by using our territory."

But he also said the problem with the guerrillas "cannot be solved through military means alone," Turkey's DHA news agency reported.

Turkey considers the guerrillas terrorists and has refused to talk with them.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan appeared to confirm reports that the military was ordered to draft plans when he said Tuesday: "We know how to take care of (terrorism) on our own... Our competent units are making preparations and will continue to do so."

Erdogan's spokesman, Akif Beki, refused to comment, but referred to a statement Monday by government spokesman Cemil Cicek. Cicek called on Iraqi and U.S. forces to take stronger action against the rebels and warned that if they did not, "Turkey is going to use its international rights until the very end."

Officials reported no unusual military activity in the border regions.

A Turkish push into northern Iraq could also threaten relations with European Union countries, which have been pressing Turkey to improve rights for minority Kurds.

The Turkish Kurdish guerrillas are mostly based in the Qandil mountains, an area 50 miles from the Turkish border with Iran. From Iraq, the guerrillas infiltrate southeastern Turkey to stage attacks.

Turkey has long had some 2,000 troops in northern Iraq near the border monitoring the area. But if Turkey sent in military units they would have to travel through territory controlled by Iraqi Kurds.

"I don't think it is Turkey's desire to stage an intervention in northern Iraq," said Ilter Turan, professor of international relations at Istanbul Bilgi University. Turkey "is simply trying to draw attention to the fact that it is an untenable position."

NOTE: these Kurdish terrorists are referred to as "guerillas"! Why aren't Hezbollah fighters referred to as "guerillas" too?

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The same reason Iraq terrorist as seen as Holy Soldiers by some people. It is all based on which side you are on.

On your question, yes Turkey has the right.
 

Aimster

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U.S has labeled them as terrorist... under Clinton. I do not know about Bush.

Turkey will bitch slap them. Turkey's capabilities are just as strong as Israel.
U.S will allow it.

Now if it was Iran who entered Iraq to fight the Kurds.. U.S would totally make a big deal about it.
 

jackschmittusa

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The U.S. told the Kurds a long time ago that we would leave them alone, let them have lots of money from the northern oil fields, and pretty much let them control their part of the country as though it was already a "Kurdistan" as long as they did not mess with us.

Now we tell Turkey not to rock the boat because we don't have a bunch of our G.I.s dying there all the time. All the while knowing full well that the Kurds would act against one of our long time allies (Turkey), using money and weapons we supplied.

We spend a zillion dollars and manhours fighting the "insurgents" to secure Iraq, but fail to mention that we don't bother with 1/3 of the country. There have been many reports of Kurdish kidnap and death squads operating, terrorist attacks accross the Turkish border, and we do virtually nothing to intervene. The Kurds have been pretty open about their goal to form their own country of Kurdistan, formed from parts of Iraq and Turkey. Bush ignores all of this because they do not happen to be shooting at us at the moment. To me this just makes all of GWB's crap about a united, stable, and democratic Iraq being his goal that much bigger a lie.

I am hardly an expert on the M.E., but I suggested over a year ago that if the U.S. did not take control of the Kurdish part of Iraq we might face huge problems down the line.
 

Termagant

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Turkish special forces have already been operating in Northern Iraq for some time, and Turkish forces were shelling Kurdish positions some weeks ago. This is quite a dilema especially for Turkey. It must weigh balancing territorial integrity and fighting terrorists, with relations with the US and not upsetting the racist Europeans who are watching Turkey with a microscope looking for any reason to deny EU membership.

If the situation gets worse I would expect the US to give Turkey some assurances, and then really step up the pressure on the Kurds to reign in their more "expeditionary" type militants.
 

daniel49

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You write this like you think Bush caused it?
I work with someone who just came from turkey a couple of years ago, so we have talked about this issue a bit.
Turkey and the kurds have had problems for a very long time.
Turkey even allowed some of the kurds citizenship. The problem is that some of the kurds want an autonomous state inside of turkey, which is never going to happen.
In the end Turkey will cause the US, turkey, and Iraqi kurds to sit down and talk and attempt to find a solution. Which is really turkey's goal here.
As I recall a few years ago they were threatening to kick Syria's butt for stirring the kurds up.