Turing was originally going to be made on Samsung 10NM

[USER8000]

However,it was delayed so Nvidia used TSMC 12NM:

https://www.techpowerup.com/247657/...s-in-2019-turing-originally-intended-for-10nm

It appears they were trying to move away from TSMC.

 

[Despoiler]

This is amazing. JHH came out touting the custom 12nm node when it is actually a result of a bad call on 10nm supply. The result? Huge die and super expensive prices to pay for the misstep.

 

[Kenmitch]

All I can say is this launch get's stranger as we get closer to the official reviews.

 

[PeterScott]

However,it was delayed so Nvidia used TSMC 12NM:

https://www.techpowerup.com/247657/...s-in-2019-turing-originally-intended-for-10nm

It appears they were trying to move away from TSMC.

Just another unsubstantiated rumor. The original source once translated says:
"By the way, NVIDIA is said to have originally planned to use Samsung's 10 nm process in this generation. By staying at mature 12 nm, it seems to have made a choice to raise the yield even if the die is enlarged."

Also Samsung has had an active 10nm process since they built the Exynos 8895, which powers the Galaxy S8, which came out Q2-2017, and refined process they used for the Exynos 9810 used in Galaxy S9, earlier this year.

So I am not seeing anything delayed about Samsung 10nm.

 

[Despoiler]

Just another unsubstantiated rumor. The original source once translated says:
"By the way, NVIDIA is said to have originally planned to use Samsung's 10 nm process in this generation. By staying at mature 12 nm, it seems to have made a choice to raise the yield even if the die is enlarged."

Also Samsung has had an active 10nm process since they built the Exynos 8895, which powers the Galaxy S8, which came out Q2-2017, and refined process they used for the Exynos 9810 used in Galaxy S9, earlier this year.

So I am not seeing anything delayed about Samsung 10nm.

Exynos is on the low power process though. Nvidia would want something built for high power for a GPU no?

 

[Geegeeoh]

Exynos might have eaten way too much of the available production, and yes mobile SoC are not exactly the same breed of GPU chips.

 

[PeterScott]

Exynos is on the low power process though. Nvidia would want something built for high power for a GPU no?

They have already done two 10nm process steps. I don't think there would have been any real unforeseen issues, if they were really planning and High Power 10nm process that NVidia was scheduled to use.

I think this is just another nonsense rumor, until I see something more substantial, that "Nvidia is said to...".

 

[USER8000]

NVIDIA could launch successors to its GeForce GTX 1060 series and GTX 1050 series only by 2019, according to a statement by an ASUS representative, speaking with PC Watch.

Asus told a Japanese tech website,so its from an OEM.

The bigger news is they were going with Samsung and not with TSMC for the next GPU shrink.

 

[maddie]

Asus told a Japanese tech website,so its from an OEM.

The bigger news is they were going with Samsung and not with TSMC for the next GPU shrink.

Agreed. This probably has implications for 7nm priority.

 

[darkswordsman17]

They have already done two 10nm process steps. I don't think there would have been any real unforeseen issues, if they were really planning and High Power 10nm process that NVidia was scheduled to use.

I think this is just another nonsense rumor, until I see something more substantial, that "Nvidia is said to...".

That doesn't mean their yields might not have been terribly great, which might be fine, they could probably still harvest plenty of the mobile SoCs, but it would present serious problems for large GPUs.

Asus told a Japanese tech website,so its from an OEM.

The bigger news is they were going with Samsung and not with TSMC for the next GPU shrink.

The thing is, if they were planning on 10nm, why didn't they use TSMC's? Was that Apple only? You'd think that with them moving to 7nm, that it might've opened up 10nm (but perhaps not since they're probably still producing the Apple chips).

That does pique some curiosity.

Agreed. This probably has implications for 7nm priority.

Yeah, things could get very interesting. Imagine if Nvidia doesn't get on 7nm until 2020.

 

[arandomguy]

The thing is, if they were planning on 10nm, why didn't they use TSMC's? Was that Apple only? You'd think that with them moving to 7nm, that it might've opened up 10nm (but perhaps not since they're probably still producing the Apple chips).

TSMC's 10nm was targeted as short lived generation. It also possibly is not optimized for high performance. Samsung by contrast planned multiple iterations and variants of its 10nm processes including a 8nm transition that improves on density as well as power/efficiency.

I actually wonder if this is an issue of interpretation. Nvidia previously already split Pascal's lines and used Samsung for GP107. It's also been stated that due to past issues Nvidia hedges more on node transitions in terms of contingencies and they don't want to be overly dependent/tied into new process nodes for uarch transitions (contrast this with Intel and Skylake's stretch out being tied to 10nm delays).

 

[PeterScott]

Asus told a Japanese tech website,so its from an OEM.

The bigger news is they were going with Samsung and not with TSMC for the next GPU shrink.

The OEM is only source for the 50/60 series being next year (which was already kind of expected). The rest is rumor and speculation.

The "bigger news" is nothing but speculation (by Dylan on Reddit) based on the rumor, that there were going to use Samsung in the first place.

Rumor + speculation on top != news.

 

[Guru]

Probably fake news