Do you even know what tech is in consoles? It doesn't matter which engines they use when they are using GPUs that were considered last gen when the consoles were released. Until we see games like GTAIV, Killzone 2, and Mass Effect stop abusing mip mapping in order to make their games run reasonably smooth at even 720P then I'll say that consoles can at least compete on even turf with pcs (controllers not withstanding).
Latest Engines at the time or not :
GTAIV : Blurry mess because of overly aggress mipmapping not allowing textures to sharpen properly due to poor performance
Killzone 2 : When you move the game purposefully goes to Mip 0 creating full screen blur, then sharpening back when you are still. Great frame rates but its ridiculous. And then on top of it they go so far as to saying that the motion blur is a feature...bull
Mass Effect : Delayed texture popin due to a shortage of dedicated GPU ram. Both consoles only have 256mb dedicated to the GPU, and 256mb main..althought it can be shared in some cases.
There are various other examples, but the biggest being that console games are developed at 720P native due to texture memory limitations while I have been running smoothly at 1920X1200 on my PC for the past 6 years.
So long story short, it doesn't matter if you run the lastest greatest game engines if your hardware can't keep up with the technology. I can see an MMO with keyboard support coming out for whatever Microsoft and Sony are coming out with next, as they will be able to do true 1080P and more HD tvs in homes, but not the current lineup. Its just illogical from a technical standpoint. I don't care what Sony and Microsoft say their consoles can theoretically do, only what I see in my house.
WoW is an absolutely horrible game quality wise, but a staggering success. Quality means very little in the MMO market, mass market appeal is what counts- just as it is in every other entertainment industry.
MMOs can work fine on the consoles, I don't see the platforms trying to push them at all though honestly. People who play any MMO heavily tend to buy significantly less games then their non MMO playing counterparts(myself included, when not playing a MMO my gaming expenses increase enormously). Sony/MS make money off of people buying games, unless they are getting a cut of the sub fees it isn't going to be something they are going to help push too far.
As far as the quality of the players, XBoxLive may be extremely poor, but Barrens chat is far worse then anything I have ever seen on PSN, by a large amount.
Outside of running a Vent server, why wouldn't you be able to do any of that on a console? I guess if you discuss evolving it you may have a point, but the latest and greatest MMO technology which is probably Aion is using an engine that would have run on the original XBox if it had the current platforms RAM. From everything we have seen, the current gen should be able to push ToR at ~300FPS, it will be a while before they evolve past the point that of being able to run on the consoles. It isn't like we are talking anything remotely approaching Crysis here.
I have several games that run at 1080p, devs can make trade offs to get the game running at the rez they want. Given how simplistic every MMO on the market is, I don't think 1080p would be a problem.
That is what it all comes down to. Speaking for myself, I would rather play on the PC because unlike almost every other type of game, I am far more comfortable playing a MMO at a desk rather then on the couch.
Indeed, they aren't as good looking as the latest PC games at highest settings nor is their hardware as advanced, but they are far away from looking bad by today's standards. Just look at Bioshock, UT3, Gears 1+2, Forza 3, GT5, etc.... They may not look as good as the best looking PC game, but they do look good and not too far off from what you can see on the latest PC games.
Fair enough. I think you make a good argument. And I do think current gen consoles look great, but for many years consoles have been sheltered from direct criticism from PC gamers because it has been apples and oranges. But I think its fair to make an apples/apples comparison now because Sony and Microsoft are introducing units that are pcs in every way except for the ability to slap windows on them. Add a keyboard and mouse, and you find its a new ballgame, and there is no shortage of players on both sides.
On a related but different point, I believe that the next set of consoles to come from Microsoft and Sony going yo be remarkable in that they will have plenty of power on tap for pretty much anything they can imagine up, as 1080P will be easy mode for them by then and smaller die sizes allow for much more efficient, small machines that "should" be many times more reliable then they are today. The PS3 and 360 are merely a bridge.
I believe the devs who made AC1 weren't the same devs who made the other turbine games. AC1 was a good game IMO, I think it didn't do all that good for other reasons. Now DDO, LoTRO were a joke considering what they should've been. So yeah, who really cares what this guy has to say as far as MMOs go.
Elcs
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Turbine would probably be right for commercial reasons.
Console players in general will buy any old nonsense, a time proven fact. They know by the number of WoW sales that PC gamers are starting to buy any old game.
Ergo, taking the fanbase of the consoles, throwing at them a game which for all intents and purposes could be crap.. as long as it has a muliplayer online aspect, it has a good shout at being a resounding success!
I find it sad that out of all of the MMO's I have played, most of them on trial or for extended periods over at a friends house, that LoTRO was one of the best I have come across for many reasons and now Turbine release statements like that.
At this moment in time looking at the market, what is the PC without the MMO? Personal Note: Too many MMO's, most of which are of substandard design and implementation. Not enough of the older, classic, tried and tested games.
Console players in general will buy any old nonsense, a time proven fact. They know by the number of WoW sales that PC gamers are starting to buy any old game.
Ergo, taking the fanbase of the consoles, throwing at them a game which for all intents and purposes could be crap.. as long as it has a muliplayer online aspect, it has a good shout at being a resounding success!
I find it sad that out of all of the MMO's I have played, most of them on trial or for extended periods over at a friends house, that LoTRO was one of the best I have come across for many reasons and now Turbine release statements like that.
At this moment in time looking at the market, what is the PC without the MMO? Personal Note: Too many MMO's, most of which are of substandard design and implementation. Not enough of the older, classic, tried and tested games.
Asheron's Call, the original, did fairly well as far as I've ever heard. It was one of the first MMOs out there, only predated by Ultima Online, Everquest, Lineage (I think?), and perhaps some less well known ones. It also had a level of depth that WoW cannot even dream of comparing to.
Asheron's Call 2, on the other hand, was a horrible failure. They shut down the servers 1-1.5 years after the original release. The graphics were top notch when it was released, though.
JoshGuru7
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This is the result of an article making too much out of a short PR snippet to increase page hits.
The article itself mentions the real reason why Turbine is releasing an MMO for consoles - they believe it is a very large market that is untapped and they can make a lot of money if they release an MMO that console gamers want to play. I think they're obviously right about this, the only question is whether they can actually deliver an MMO that console gamers want to play. The comment about consoles being superior for MMOs is PR fluff and not worth either an article or a thread discussing the article.
As a side note, Turbine is a top tier MMO developer. Contrary to the opinions expressed in this thread, AC and LOTRO have both been very successful and the lack of popularity of DDO is a result of it's niche appeal rather than a lack of awesomeness. AC2 was a failure partly because of the chat server issue at launch, but mostly because it was not AC1.
The article itself mentions the real reason why Turbine is releasing an MMO for consoles - they believe it is a very large market that is untapped and they can make a lot of money if they release an MMO that console gamers want to play. I think they're obviously right about this, the only question is whether they can actually deliver an MMO that console gamers want to play. The comment about consoles being superior for MMOs is PR fluff and not worth either an article or a thread discussing the article.
As a side note, Turbine is a top tier MMO developer. Contrary to the opinions expressed in this thread, AC and LOTRO have both been very successful and the lack of popularity of DDO is a result of it's niche appeal rather than a lack of awesomeness. AC2 was a failure partly because of the chat server issue at launch, but mostly because it was not AC1.
shortylickens
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What are you talking about? WoW is actually quite polished and I would say quite a high quality game. It has been far and away the best mmo since 2004 and will likely remain at the top until Blizzard releases their next MMO.
Where are all these PC games that are making consoles look incredibly dated ?
Uncharted 2 has better graphics than any PC game released this year.
Uncharted 2 has better graphics than any PC game released this year.
shortylickens
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I have two tier 8 toons, WoW is garbage. Vanilla WoW was great, TBC was pretty damn solid too, WoTLK has been absolutely horrific. Very clearly they moved all of the creative talent on to other projects. A bunch of face roll encounters and shockingly bad mini games, WoW is flat out horrible as of right now.
BTW- WoW has been the most popular MMO for a long time, that in no way makes it the best quality.
This thread is about MMOs. Given that criteria, PCs have a fairly even comparison in graphics to last generation consoles, they aren't remotely close to Unchartered2, GT5 etc(which either of those certainly would be comparable to Crysis- not saying superior, but they are certainly in the ball park).
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