Tunisia unrest spreading? Unrest in Egypt

[Craig234]

I meant the army too, an Egyptian eye witness reported it on Al Jazeera.

The army is keeping the army out?

I was saying the army is keeping the Mubarak-hired thugs out.

Also, from what I'm seeing on al-Jazeera, they don't seem to indicate the disruptors have a lot of ways to get in - they can get in 'undercover', but not riding camels again.

It seems unlikely they'll be able to start much violence.

 

[Craig234]

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[AshPhoenix]

The army is keeping the army out?

I was saying the army is keeping the Mubarak-hired thugs out.

Also, from what I'm seeing on al-Jazeera, they don't seem to indicate the disruptors have a lot of ways to get in - they can get in 'undercover', but not riding camels again.

It seems unlikely they'll be able to start much violence.

I meant that the army prevented some anti regime protesters from reaching El Tahrir Square.

 

[Lemon law]

Lots of various people mostly outside of Egypt are working on transition plans.

But job one seems to be get rid of Hosni first. Then power may have to temporarily shift to a tainted VP and the army until elections can be held. But of enough of the Egyptian Parliament is left, that is a better option to have the Parliament plus its army keep order until elections are held.

 

[iGas]

The army is keeping the army out?

I was saying the army is keeping the Mubarak-hired thugs out.

Also, from what I'm seeing on al-Jazeera, they don't seem to indicate the disruptors have a lot of ways to get in - they can get in 'undercover', but not riding camels again.

It seems unlikely they'll be able to start much violence.

It is possible that there are multi factions within the army.

Some are loyal to the regime and others want democracy.

 

[Lemon law]

It is possible that there are multi factions within the army.

Some are loyal to the regime and others want democracy.

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A good question, but I can somewhat say its not going to happen. An army, any army is usually a top down tightly controlled entity, and if the most senior top generals have mutually decided that Mubarak has to go, they owe nothing to Hosni and everything to the Egyptian people. Especially when they were probably horrified at what Hosni expected them to do which was to brutally suppress and shoot peaceful demonstrators that are their own countrymen.

But if Mubarak could command his own army from the middle down, he could probably find a plethora of middle level army units that would blindly follow Mubarak.

What Mubarak did to alienate his own Generals may never be know, but I suspect the top generals made a wise choice. As they emerge with the trust of the Egyptian people.

 

[Lemon law]

accidental double post

 

[Udgnim]

what are Egypt's gun laws? I'm surprised this hasn't turned into a bloody revolution yet.

 

[Darwin333]

what are Egypt's gun laws? I'm surprised this hasn't turned into a bloody revolution yet.

IIRC, handguns are legal but long guns are not. Not sure what is required, if anything, by the government to purchase a handgun but I am sure that you do need money. With something like $1500 per capita GDP I would assume food has been much higher on the list up until now.

 

[AshPhoenix]

what are Egypt's gun laws? I'm surprised this hasn't turned into a bloody revolution yet.

Basically, you can't even own a handgun legally in Egypt. There are conditions for owning handguns, like you have to own valuable assets that need to be defended, but even if this requirement is met, not anybody can own a handgun; favoritism plays a big part in this.

 

[yllus]

6:08pm Egyptian TV reports that Hosni Mubarak resigns as head of the ruling NDP party - more details soon.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/02/04/live-blog-feb-5-egypt-protests

 

[bfdd]

IIRC, handguns are legal but long guns are not. Not sure what is required, if anything, by the government to purchase a handgun but I am sure that you do need money. With something like $1500 per capita GDP I would assume food has been much higher on the list up until now.

Well see that's their problem. How are you supposed to defend your crops/food sources without weapons? Even the ancient man who decided to settle and cultivate had a weapon.

 

[Zebo]

:whiste:

Arab media report Muslim Brotherhood's Justice and Peace party wins 40 percent, Salafists 20% and liberals 15%.

http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/Video/Article.aspx?id=247943


Rich, free thinkers and some of the oldest Christians in the world wanting to leave fundiville.

The preliminary results to be published on Friday were expected to show the Muslim Brotherhood as the dominant force, but with a surprisingly strong showing from the hardline Al-Nur party.

Its leaders advocate the fundamentalist brand of Salafi Islam, rejecting Western culture and favouring strict segregation of the sexes and the veiling of women.

They say they have been the victims of Islamophobia and sustained fear-mongering by liberals in the Egyptian media.

Nevertheless, the fear that they will try to impose their values on the rest of society has driven Angie to consider leaving her comfortable Cairo life behind.

"My husband recently got a job offer in Dubai. In the beginning I was hesitant, but now, with all that's happening, I'm encouraging him to take the job and I'll join him with our daughter," she said.

"The Gulf has become more liberal than Egypt," she told AFP.

http://news.yahoo.com/rich-egyptians-weigh-emigration-islamists-surge-000904245.html

Funny how that pew polling I posted months ago is in line almost perfectly with the election results with only 15% liberal.

Public executions with sword or stone are a sight to behold. Just wait you'll see.

 

[cybrsage]

Unlike the police force in Egypt, the people respect the military and find them to be mosty fair. They may not always like their positions, but they do think they are even tempered and fair.

At least that is the feeling from the few Egyptians I know, both inside and outside of Egypt.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Funny how that pew polling I posted months ago is in line almost perfectly with the election results with only 15% liberal.

Public executions with sword or stone are a sight to behold. Just wait you'll see.

I'm still shocked every time you post that poll Zebo, and the one that shocks me most is the third column. Seriously, these people do live in the dark ages.

 

[cybrsage]

This is why the US should offer asylum for any Muslim who converts away from Islam.

 

[Zebo]

Well in all fairness it's not all Muslims see my link above - "I will leave the country," said Gabri, a Muslim. "I will not stand living in a puritanical climate. Why don't they just let people live the way they want?"


Problem is it only takes a few with "god" on their side and willing to kill and die for "him" to dominate a whole society.

You see most people are not that fucking crazy and just go along with crazy edicts for some temporary peace.

 

[cybrsage]

To be fair, anyone who truely believes their god is real should follow the tenants of their god. One of the big problems with Islam is that they allow the Hadiths to override the Quran. It should be the other way around.

 

[peonyu]

To be fair, anyone who truely believes their god is real should follow the tenants of their god. One of the big problems with Islam is that they allow the Hadiths to override the Quran. It should be the other way around.

As far as Apostasy goes, the Quran is pretty clear on what to do -

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."


The Hadiths are even clearer, but they were made with the intention of being crystal clear in their directions.

 

[Schadenfroh]

This is why the US should offer asylum for any Muslim who converts away from Islam.

I'm sure that policy would not be abused in third-world countries.

Funny how that pew polling I posted months ago is in line almost perfectly with the election results with only 15% liberal.

If the people of Egypt want to be ruled by the iron hand of religious fundamentalists, who are we to argue? As long as the elections were not rigged and that is the will of their people, they will get the government that they crave / deserve. While even Non-Muslims will have to live under strict Islamic law, I doubt the fundamentalist rulers will jump on the genocide wagon. I would not be surprised if they democratically create a fundamentalist oligarchy to replace their secular dictator, but it is their choice... Guess the liberals in Egypt can still hope for a military coup d'état / dictatorship to restore secular rule if the democratic process gets too bad thanks to Egypt's citizens.

 

[davmat787]

:whiste:



http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/Video/Article.aspx?id=247943


Rich, free thinkers and some of the oldest Christians in the world wanting to leave fundiville.

http://news.yahoo.com/rich-egyptians-weigh-emigration-islamists-surge-000904245.html

Funny how that pew polling I posted months ago is in line almost perfectly with the election results with only 15% liberal.

Public executions with sword or stone are a sight to behold. Just wait you'll see.

The numbers for Pakistan in that poll seem to fly in the face of "you know who" that constantly says 90% of Pakistan shares western values and ideals. :whiste: