Tuesday, August 1 on C-SPAN: panel challenges the government's official story of what happened on 9/11

[SupaDupaCheez]

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[bobsmith1492]

I, for one, don't want to ((and don't have time to) take on another conspiracy. All there are are a bunch of iffy "facts" that, when thrown together, can be pointed to as a whole to say, "See? There's proof!" In reality, if you go through "fact"-by-"fact," I'm sure it would be relatively simple to disprove them all. I don't want to get into it, though. I did that with the moon-landing conspiracy because a friend of mine was believing it and I didn't want him to be deceived, so we went through each supposed fact and by common sense I showed him how the "facts" were errant.

 

[phatj]

nothing is impossible anymore....

not that it is a fair comparison but no one would have thought something like "watergate" could have happened until stuff was exposed (in a similar manner as this...)

however i have a tough time believing that a president and his helpers would kill thousands of innocent people in such a manner... i think very very few people are really that selfish

 

[JayhaVVKU]

Originally posted by: phatj
nothing is impossible anymore....

not that it is a fair comparison but no one would have thought something like "watergate" could have happened until stuff was exposed (in a similar manner as this...)

however i have a tough time believing that a president and his helpers would kill thousands of innocent people in such a manner... i think very very few people are really that selfish

Not saying I agree or disagree with the conspiracy stuff, but I wouldn't put it past a lot of people to trade lives for cash. Think of the US government as the "mafia" if there is still such a thing. Say they kill someone for $20,000 or some other type of business gain, now just multiply that to the scale of the US Govt, where billions-trillions is the ball park.

It's hard to believe that our leaders would do something like that, but there are certainly people more than evil enough out there not just in the government.

 

[Greenman]

Has there been even one major event in the last fifty years that didn't have a CT attached to it? And more to the point, why? Does everything bad have to be the result of our evil goverment? And with the hundreds, or even thousands of people involved how do they keep them from talking about it? And if the Feds are so good at covert opps that they can do pretty much anything they want, why is Castro still around? Why did we send the armed forces into iraq? Wouldn't it have been much eaiser to us our crack team of ninja killers to take out saddam?
Guess I just don't understand.

 

[saahmed]

I didnt read anything on here, but the title got my attention.
I just want to say, we dont have any real proof of what happened on 9/11. I dont support any theories but I strongly think we should put more effort into finding out what truely happened on that day. I havent heard a whole lot of straight facts on any theory including the whole Al-Qaeda theory.

 

[wazzledoozle]

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Funny how most people here write generalizations, but refuse to confront the facts in the links.
PNAC's official program expressed the need for a new Pearl Harbour in september 2000. Exactly one year later, once PNAC members Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and others have reached power, a new Pearl Harbour happens and they can implement PNAC's plan for agressively extending the American Empire. The most powerful people on Earth are so lucky. So lucky that their friend the director of the Pakistani secret services (who was meeting some very important people in Washington during the week before and on 9/11) funded the 9/11 terrorists.

QFT

We will probably never know the truth, but we can rest assured that those who said there is a need for a new pearl harbor are running our country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pnac

 

[Project86]

While "Operation Northwoods" has provided the raw material for an entire cottage industry of 9/11 conspiracy theories, to my knowledge no one has demonstrated the slightest connection to 9/11 itself. I mentioned this to a conspiracy theorist recently, and he said "Well, the CIA killed JFK, and George W. Bush's father was head of the CIA." I had to remind him that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, and George H.W. Bush was a Texas oilman who hadn't even run for Congress yet in 1963.

I am astonished that CTists keep bringing up Operation Northwoods as a reminder that dangerous, deceptive schemes can be cooked up by the U.S. government, as if the fact that we are in Iraq isn't reminder enough. Perspective, people, perspective!

I have yet to come across a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who DID NOT quote the PNAC document as "evidence" that the terrorist attacks were an "inside job" by the neo-cons in the U.S. government. However, the PNAC quote is about the typically slow growth of military technology, abetted by budget cuts in defense R&D. It is in no way a plan or suggestion for a "new Pearl Harbor." Is it plausible that these "conspirators" would publicly announce a plan to kill thousands of Americans?

According to CT logic, these "conspirators" are the smartest, most devious, most capable connivers the world has ever seen - but are incredbly stupid. This PNAC quote issue is a lot like the CTist emphasis on Larry Silverstein's "Pull it" quote. Right: whenever I commit a billion-dollar crime, I always tell the media I did it.

The PNAC document was released just before the Presidential election of 2000. It is highly critical of the cuts in defense spending made during the Clinton administration, as well as being critical of how defense spending was allocated during those years.

The document is mostly concerned with the transformations the authors believe are necessary to keep America's military dominent in a world where many adversaries may soon have

1) Long range missiles, and
2) Satellite-based battlefield-awareness technology

In the few pages of excerpts in Appendix D, the word "transform" or "transformation" is used 36 times.

What is the main thrust of the PNAC plan for military transformation? A nationwide missile defense shield, and dominance of outer-space for offensive and defensive purposes. That's right: "Star Wars."

Now, if you wanted to increase defense spending in the areas that the PNAC recommends, what is the LAST thing you'd want to do? Answer: get involved in a ground war and subsequent occupation of a country where many citizens are fighting a guerilla-style campaign against you and against each other with AK-47s, RPGs, and IEDs made from cell phones and 10,000 tons of old artillery shells.

 

[rikadik]

Ok, well I'll admit I haven't read all of this thread but I've started watching the video.

So far, it looks as if this is going to be a really unbiased, logical and skeptical "debate"... or not.

How is this a debate when there are going to be no opposing views? Since the audience seems to get pretty excited whenever Mr. Jones raises his voice, I'm doubting those opposing views are going to come in the questions, although I hope some do.

Well, I will watch it since I have nothing better to do... Hope this isn't as much a waste of my life as Loose Change was.

 

[rikadik]

Just to add to the above comments about Operation Northwoods, I can't see how the existence of Operation Northwoods adds any more reason to suspect that 9/11 was an inside job than it does for any other terrorist attack. Should we conclude that all terrorist attacks were inside jobs, or just those which suit us?