Tualatin S 1.26-512/TUSL2/512MB PC150 SDR a worthy replacement for a TBird 1.4/K7S5A/512MB DDR?

[rockhard]

Ive just been impressed at how my new Tualeron 1.2 can run silent with undervolted CPU fan to make silent PC so am thinking of replacing my main rig with a 1.26 gig 512kb Tualatin.
You guys opinions be appreciated incase theres something ive missed that would desuade me from going ahead.
As long as i get near (within10% say) 1.4gig TBird performance i be happy

Thanx,

rockhard =)

 

[Vegito]

Hmm, I dont remember but I think remembere a tbird is faster than a p4-1.5, a p4 1.5 is slightly faster than 1.26 tualatin... gotta check some old reviews..

EDIT:

Just check some stuff.. it's similar to a 1.2 tbird at times but at times runs like a 1.4 tbird.. but thats the 512k cache one... if u run a the celeron tualatin.. it might not be as fast as the 512k 1.26 tualatin..

 

[thermite88]

Silence is gold. You can have the cake and eat it too.

Get an Intel Northwood 2.0 GHz P4 ($342) and GigaByte GA-81RX MB ($129). Keep your DDR memory. You will not hear the fan noise. It easily overclock to 2.66 GHz using 133 FSB for both CPU and memory.

It is not cheap, but will outperform the old 1.4 Tbird in every catagory.

 

[rockhard]

forcesho - I just had a look at Tom's preview he did a bit back and the benches look pretty good for an old dog platform like u say
The i815 mobo has me thinking though I really want to use STR and keep the PC on permanently on top of a UPS as i hate waiting for my puter to boot. ECC would have been something i would have liked but alas no joy

thermite88 The Northwood sounds ideal but i have not considered it as the price is way over the top FWIW.
Do you know what the Thermal Specs are for the Northwood?
I'll go and scurry over the Intel site and see if they are up yet.

If you guys have any other ideas for a decent performing/stable/silent rig be grateful for your input.
Thanx

 

[cool]

<< Ive just been impressed at how my new Tualeron 1.2 can run silent with undervolted CPU fan to make silent PC so am thinking of replacing my main rig with a 1.26 gig 512kb Tualatin.
You guys opinions be appreciated incase theres something ive missed that would desuade me from going ahead.
As long as i get near (within10% say) 1.4gig TBird performance i be happy
>>



Sure, it's always good to replace an AMD system with an intel one...

 

[oldfart]

Look at my post in this thread for more Tually ideas.

 

[rockhard]

Ive just had a look at the old Data sheets for the P3 @ .18 and .13 and i can only see only about a ~ 10/15% difference in Thermal Design Power?
If the P4 follows this trend then it aint going to be a cool running CPU in any shape or form as the TDP is comparable to any current AMD processor which i have now, and if the P3 trend in TDP going to .13 is anything to go by the Northwood is not
going to be cool unless they release say a 1.4 gig .13 part which is not on the cards AFAIK.

Just been looking at mobo's for the Tualatin 512 - As far as i can tell Supermicro's P3TSSA is the only mobo which officially supports the Tualatin. Does this mean that bios support is needed, and not just VRM 8.5 support?

 

[oldfart]

TUSL2 supports server chip. I've also been looking at the Gigabyte GA-60EXT. Looks like a sweet board. The FAQ for it shows 512k cache support.

 

[rockhard]

thanx oldfart - The 1.0A and 1.1A Tualerons sound interesting.
I found the part of the review about how the Tualatin performs better than the Tbird under a heavy load of great interest.
Is there a technical reason for this?

 

[Vegito]

I'm using two of the dual tualatin 1.26 w/512k, and it's not bad... definitly faster than anything else I own at this point but if I can get a dual or quad p4 someday like northwood or something faster to run databases, it would be better...

 

[rockhard]

forcesho - Would you say you can tell the extra 256kb L2 cache is noticeable over say the older 256kb P3's?
Im just wondering if for desktop the 256kb Tualatins would be more suitable and maybe save me some money?

 

[thermite88]

<< Do you know what the Thermal Specs are for the Northwood? >>

I can't find any official number yet, but would expect it to be similar to the current corp. Intel uses the estate gained from the die shrink to put in more L2 cache (increase from 256 to 512 KB).

If you are on a tight budget, get the retail 1.5GHz P4. Make sure that you get a D0 stepping. Most of them can OC to over 2 GHz, not bad for a $160 CPU which runs absolutely quiet with the retail heatsink. Since you will need a new MB to migrate from Tbird, the P4 make more sense than the Tualatin.

 

[Whitedog]

My Rig hums/vibrates/roars... I just turn the sound up louder.

A quiet computer suxzorz... hehe

 

[Pabster]

thermite88 wrote:

"Since you will need a new MB to migrate from Tbird, the P4 make more sense than the Tualatin."

That makes no sense whatsoever.

The Tualatin would still be a better choice. Clock for clock, it outperforms the P4. (No surprise.) It also runs cooler and could be used as part of a "silent" machine, whereas the P4 cannot.

Speaking from personal experience -- with my 1.8GHz P4 and the retail HS/F assembly -- I don't find it any quieter than my silent AthlonXP rig - a 1900+ happily hitting 2000+ status with a whisper quiet Papst 8412NGL (12dB) fan. But I can sure tell you which one performs better. I think you already know

 

[rockhard]

Thanx for your help guys

One thing that worries me though is that over the next 12 months the poor memory performance is going to start to show with the i815 and games
I had thought of doing what pabster has done with his rig and pop a really big heatsink on it and then pop a Panaflo undervolted to 7v on it for peace and quiet.
Ive been looking for the Papst fans here in the UK but the only place i can find them says they wont get any till March!
Still, you cant escape from having to get rid of the heat in the case, yet more fans - grrrr
A Tualatin seems like the easiest way at present, hmmm?

Just out of curiosity Pabster - What temp does your quiet TBird rig idle/peak at?
My current TBird is stable at 41/46C - Just wondering if silent TBird might be an option? Though i would have to get a new mobo anyway as it hasnt got the holes in it for mounting oversized heatsinks.

 

[Vegito]

Cant tell for sure.. i had a old db running on dual p500 katmai with the 512k cache 1/2 speed of bus or something

and i upgrade to these 1.26 with 512k full speed cache..

so I can't really tell if it's the cache or the raw speed...

they're also use for rc5 so, in rc5, it's doing like 7.03m/key..

I think you can probably tell but I didnt' do enough test to tell..

 

[Pabster]

rockhard wrote:

"Just out of curiosity Pabster - What temp does your quiet TBird rig idle/peak at?"

The rig I was referring to is an AthlonXP (not Thunderbird) 1900+ which I've pushed to 1667 (2000+). It idles around 37C and full load (even on a mild day) never goes above 46-48C. These temps are not socket thermistor temps -- they're measured through a heatsink thermocouple, which I believe is more accurate. Opinions vary, of course For reference, my 1.8GHz P4 with the retail HS/F hits 52C in the same case with same case fans. I'm also using an 8500DV in this rig, which adds even more heat due to the ridiculously hot silicon tuner assembly.

Anotherwards, the "myth" that fast, solid AMD rigs aren't possible is just that -- a myth. With the proper selection of cooling components, it can be done, and quite easily -- without causing hearing loss

 

[rockhard]

thanx Pabster - Was wondering, do you know what your case temp is?

 

[rockhard]

forcesho - what motherboard you using? How do you like it?
Just the SMP fanboy inside me getting curious

 

[oldfart]

This is why I like the 1.0A @ 1.5: The CPU is very cheap (~ $80), the ram @ 150 FSB will perform very well. If you get a year out of it, that's pretty good. This setup should run ~ 38 - 45 watts depending on the needed Vcore. Quite low compared to a P4 or XP CPU. I also like a quiet PC. My loudest component is my GF3. I've quieted it down some with a Crystal ORB @ 7V, but its still kind of noisy. I'm looking at a way to get it better.

HERE is an article on the 1.0 and 1.1A. Its in French, so you will need a translator. They don't do many tests with an overclock, only a couple with the 1.0 @ 1.33 and 1.1 @ 1.46, both 133 FSB. I think the 1.0 @ 1.5 should be pretty nice.

 

[Pabster]

rockhard wrote:

"thanx Pabster - Was wondering, do you know what your case temp is?"

Averages 26-28C.

 

[rockhard]

thanx for the linky to that article oldfart

Im going to trust Pabster and try uber large HSF way of doing things - if it doesnt work my dad is awaiting eagerly for my PC handdowns

My case temp is the same as yours Pabster so im concluding i should have no probs without going fan crazy

Motherboard is the problem though.

I like stability, dont overclock anymore on my Desktop, so am wondering what be my best choice in mobo to pop my TBird on?

I have no gripe against a Via mobo (as long as it works ) so - KT266A/nForce/AMD760?

S3 Suspend to Ram is a must though.

K7N420? GA7-DXR+? K7TPro2 RU?

Heh, on second thoughts i better use the search option before someone flames me

Thanx guys, appreciated

 

[gogeeta13]

If I were you, I would hold still with what you have for a while. You shoudl wait till the new Celeratins and Northwood comes out. Until then, plop a 8045 on your bird and put a quiet fan on it..

 

[Adul]

drop the voltage on the tbird. I have been able to go to 1.7 volts with out any issues. That helps in the heat dept, also only run a taisol with stock fan and it remains fairly cool.

 

[sandorski]

Hmm, worthy? Not really, considering that you could silence that TBird with some better fans.