Tualatin or P3-1GHz 133FSB

[ParatoOptimal]

I have an ASUS CUSL2 MOBO.
I currently have a P3-500 100MHz FSB.
Would I be better off updating to an INTEL PENTIUM III 1GHz 133MHz FSB FCPGA PROCESSOR
or should I get one of those FCPGA to FCPGA2 adapters for $5 at Computergeeks and getting a Tualatin CPU. Note that I couldn't find a Tualatin CPU at Computergeeks nor Newegg.
Newegg has the P3-1GHz for $65, I think.

I don't know if I could get the HS off intact so I may need a new HS and glue with either procy.
The fan should come off ok.

Thanks

 

[BEL6772]

What do you mean by 'better off'? If you want an easy solution go for the 1GHz P3. If you want the best possible performance, get a Tualatin (if you can find one). If you get a boxed procassor, you won't have to worry about salvaging you current HS/Fan.

 

[Philippine Mango]

What chipset do you have? If your FSB is 100MHZ and your chipset supports ONLY 100MHZ then you need to get a processor that IS 100MHZ FSB [Highest end that would work is a Tualatin Based Celeron which are not half bad (lots of cache)].

 

[rogue1979]

Get the slocket adapter and a 1GHz Tualatin. Put it on a 133MHz fsb and enjoy 1333MHz easy. Faster and cheaper than the coppermine 1GHz.

 

[LTC8K6]

Don't forget about the Tualatin Celerons.

 

[Canterwood]

Get a Celeron Tualatin 1.4ghz.

They're cheap, have the same ammount of L2 cache as the Coppermine P3 (256k) and it would be faster than a 1ghz P3.

Alternately if your board can do 133fsb and you like overclocking, get the Celeron Tualatin 1.1ghz and put it on a 133fsb.

I had one running very stable at 1.4ghz.

 

[dannybin1742]

Get a Celeron Tualatin 1.4ghz

these are very hard to fine cheap nowadays, you won't find one for less than $55 shipped, get a 1.3 tualatin celeron for $35 and the adapter and set it to 133fsb

1.3s are still very abundant, is your system slot1? if it is, on ebay look for a 1.4ghz +powerleap adapter they sell for around $100 shipped, they work on any slot board with no problems, thats my advice, i've been upgrading p2-400s with these celerons with powerleap adapters and they work beautifully,

the adapter will also allow you to set 133fsb manually on the adapter itself if your board supports it, they also allow you to set voltage, so you can oc with them

 

[Philippine Mango]

If your machine is an OEM, then most definately DONT get the SLOCKET adapters because they're not compatible with it. Look at powerleap's website and search for tualatin 1.4GHZ, despite the processor being 100MHZ FSB if the board supports faster FSB (non oem/overclocking) you can just set it to 133 or what ever, it doesn't matter anyways because it will default to what ever speed the bios will do. Setting a slocket adapter to 133 when the board supports 100MHZ only will do absolutely nothing.

 

[ParatoOptimal]

BEL6772,
I meant best performance and best price. I never thought much of the original Celys. P3-1GHz can be expensive. My MOBO is supposed to be able to support up to P3-1GHz or 1.13 or 1.3 .... I foget which. Compugeeks has an adapter to allow Tualatin FCPGA2 CPUs to be used in FCPGA MOBOs reduced to $5. I'm not up to speed on Tualatin or Celys. Are Tualatins Celeron only? I think Newegg has a P3-1GHz for @ $65. I'm hearing that I would be better off with a 1.4GHz Tualatin Celeron? However, I did a search of Computergeeks and of Newegg and found no Tualatin CPUs.

Philippine Mango,
My MOBO supports P3 100/133 FSB and Celeron 66 FSB. My current P3-500 only does 100 FSB. I was pretty disappointed when I found out but it was a gift ... so no complaints. It has the North Bridge 815E System Chipset and the South Bridge System Chipset. The USB 1.0 (I don't think it's 1.1 but I could be wrong) ports never worked completely. Some work, some don't and some work only when used for certain devices depending on which other USB ports are in use and by which devices. So, I use a hub connected to the one rock solid USB port. The MOBO supports PC100/133 SDRAM. I have PC133 but must currently use it at 100 due to the procy's FSB.

Canterwood,
Would the 1.1 OC'd run very hot? Is there a great price difference between the 1.1 and 1.4? Are there any other pros, cons between the 1.1, 1.3 and 1.4?

dannybin1742,
That sounds like a nice price for a 1.3. Am I losing anything by going with a Cely over a P3?

Philippine Mango,
I don't have a SLOT. I have an FCPGA. My MOBO/BIOS DOES support 133 FSB.


So then, I'm ordering the adapter along with an IDE controller card from Computergeeks tonight and looking for the right processor. Would that be 1.1, 1.3 or 1.4?

Thanks

 

[rogue1979]

1.1GHz Tualatin on a 133MHz fsb, 1466MHz just about guaranteed.

 

[Philippine Mango]

Not all tualatins are celeron based, they have PIII based onese as well. Since you have 133MHZ FSB support I would get what ever fastest processor you can get for that system because upgrading to like a 1GHZ is pointless because for a little more you can get 400MHZ more in core speed. I've benchmarked a coppermine 1GHZ and a 1.4GHZ Celeron Tualatin and there was a significant performance boost. I took screen caps of it when I had it at the time, they were Sisoft sandra and 3D mark scores..

 

[ParatoOptimal]

rogue1979,
How do I OC that 1.1GHz Tualatin Celeron to get 1466MHz?
Do you know where I can get one?
I don't think my ASUS CUSL2 MBOB is OCable.
I don't think the BIOS allows me to access the multiplier.
I'll check.

Philippine Mango,
What 400MHz core speed CPU would that be and how much would it cost?
Of course I'd need a new MOBO and RAM for that.
I can't find Tualatin Celerons or Tualatin PIII's anywhere.
I found very little info on Intel's site.
Does Tualatin mean that it is the new microthin process.
I don't think I can use a 400 FSB with this MOBO.

Thanks

 

[TStep]

If my memory serves me correctly, I've had 3-4 different Celeron Tualatins in the past. All were either 1.0A or 1.1A. All had 256k L2 (same as coppermine L2). All had 100 fsb.

Using an Abit VH6-T motherboard, all had reached at least 1500mhz and the best was around 1650mhz. It seemed as though performance on the average was somewhere around an AthlonXP clocked about 100mhz lower due to using SDRAM vs DDR. Sisoft Sandra multimedia benchmark showed a 1600mhz Tualeron to perform roughly equivalent to a P4 2.0 or 2.2.

Things to note using 1.0 and 1.1 Tualerons. 10x and 11x multipliers require a fsb in the 150+ range. This is a pretty tough goal for PC133 to reach and some motherboards to reach. Using the Via 694X or T chipset (I cannot recall which) your were able to set the memory at FSB-33, so if the FSB was 160, the memory was running at 127ish. Also the max PCI dividers were /4, so you needed some PCI and AGP devices capable of tollerating overclocks.

 

[ParatoOptimal]

I don't think this MOBO, ASUS CUSL2, is OC'able.
I don't think I can access the multipliers.
I'll check.

I stripped my PCI cards down to a sound card and an IDE controller card.
I may add a SCSI card and a second sound card to do some specific work but they aren't neccessary all the time.

 

[Garster]

1.0 or 1.1 Celeron Tualatin with adapter would work well, the ASUS CUSL2 is an excellent board. I've used quite a few in the past and liked them alot. Not all 1.2's will reach 133fsb and some of your pci cards might not work properly running over 133fsb or between 100 and 133. At 133fsb your pci freq. is in spec and i've seen alot of scsi cards that will not run properly out of spec.
All the Intel cpu's are multiplyer locked so fsb is your only option and the CUSL2 has fsb setting in the bios.


Also, if your interested i have a 1.13 (133fsb) PIII-s 512k Tualatin available for cheap if your interested.

 

[ParatoOptimal]

My MOBO & BIOS do allow for setting the multiplyer, VCORE, FSB:SDRAMCI Frequency Ratio.

I think the manual allows me to go up to a 140 FSB but only 133 with 133 RAM.
My RAM probably isn't top notch. So, I doubt the RAM can be pushed higher.

The MOBO is 815E based.

I can't find the "highest" allowable CPU for this MOBO anywhere in the manual.

For some reason, I always thought it could do a P3 1GHz or 1.13GHz.

I remember a guy where I used to work telling me he upgraded to either 1.13GHz or 1.3GHz with this same motherboard.

I think it mentions 66 as the FSB for Celerons.

Does using the FCPGA to FCPGA2 converter allow me to use a higher FSB Celeron or a higher GHz P3 than the MOBO would normally take?

Computergeeks currently has 400MHz FSB Socket 478 Celerons.
I don't think that is FCPGA2.
What socket is fcpga2?

They do have socket 370 Celerons.
But that is fcpga, not fcpga2. So, I'm guessing they aren't tualatin.

They have socket 370 P3's.
P3-933/133 $31
P3-650/100 #29
P3-800/133 $24.50
Why would the 650-100 cost more than the 800/133?
They're all used without HS/Fan.

I'm sorry to ask what are probably so many dumb questions.
I can't find any usefull info on Intel's site.
My board is sooo old and the procy's I'm looking for are sooo old.

I don't have the money to get a new mobo, cpu, ram.
I'm trying to do what I can with what I have for under $75 or so.

Some software and some games require at least an 800MHz CPU.
My system appears to be overtaxed even when I have many I.E. windows open.
Simply view many pages on a pro photography site seems to eat-up all my ram.
I get low system resource warnings and sometimes have to reboot before or after it locks-up.

Thanks

 

[LTC8K6]

Why would the 650-100 cost more than the 800/133?

Because of the fact that 6.5 X 133 = an 866mhz chip instead of 650.
With the 100mhz bus, the overclock potential is greater.

 

[Philippine Mango]

1. No you can not use a 400MHZ FSB based cpu in your current board or ANY PIII/Celeron II based board for that matter.
2. I think it's overclockable, go to the ASUS website and look it up. Even the earliest of ASUS boards were overclockable.
3. If you can't overclock with the bios then you need to change some jumpers.
4. Tualatin processor cores *i THINK have a smaller fabrication process but I haven't confirmed it. It really simply is more efficient and has more cache. Since your board support 133FSB then go with a processor of that FSB but if your going to overclock then you might wanna get a 100MHZ celeron since they have plenty of cache and run REALLY well. My Celeron 1.4GHZ system on the 440BX chipset whooped my sister's P4 1.5GHZ system, so much memory bandwidth and is just an overall better setup compared to earlier P4s.
5. If your really bored you might wanna just pickup a 66MHZ Celeron, get some wicked cooling and see how far you can go (if your lucky 133!). You going to want to get some CL2 memory@100MHZ and if your going to overclock or run at 133MHZ FSB then some CL2 memory @133. I can't stress enough the importance of fast memory, I upgraded my memory to CL2 and the system was much faster IMO.

 

[rogue1979]

Adjust the fsb to 133MHz for a 1.0a or 1.1a and you get 10 x 133 for 1333MHz or 11 x 133 for 1466MHz.

The celeron Tualatin is exactly the same as a 256k L2 P3 Tualatin except by default it runs a 100MHz fsb, which your overclocking fixes.

 

[ParatoOptimal]

I found a Tualeron 1.1 and a 1.4 in OEM and Retail versions.
There seems to be a $17 to $19 difference between the OEM and Retail versions.
The Retail comes with a 3-yr warranty.
The OEM has a 30-day warranty that gets boosted to 1-yr if you buy a fan.

I found a 1.1 retail version for $51 from PCProgress.com and $57.50 from Spartantech.com on Pricewatch.com. Spartantech also has a 1.3 boxed version and a 1.4 OEM version.

I thought FCPGA and FCPGA2 where different.
I DO need an adapter to use the FCPGA2 on my FCPGA MOBO.
The listings I've found at spartantech.com claim that FCPGA and FCPGA2 are both socket 370.

 

[ParatoOptimal]

I haven't seen and "a" as in 1.0a or 1.1a.

Am I missing something?

Thanks

 

[ParatoOptimal]

Should I be concerned about the voltage?
Between the 1.0 and 1.2, one is 1.5v and the other is 1.75v.
Thanks

 

[ParatoOptimal]

Originally posted by: TStep
If my memory serves me correctly, I've had 3-4 different Celeron Tualatins in the past. All were either 1.0A or 1.1A. All had 256k L2 (same as coppermine L2). All had 100 fsb.

Using an Abit VH6-T motherboard, all had reached at least 1500mhz and the best was around 1650mhz. It seemed as though performance on the average was somewhere around an AthlonXP clocked about 100mhz lower due to using SDRAM vs DDR. Sisoft Sandra multimedia benchmark showed a 1600mhz Tualeron to perform roughly equivalent to a P4 2.0 or 2.2.

Things to note using 1.0 and 1.1 Tualerons. 10x and 11x multipliers require a fsb in the 150+ range. This is a pretty tough goal for PC133 to reach and some motherboards to reach. Using the Via 694X or T chipset (I cannot recall which) your were able to set the memory at FSB-33, so if the FSB was 160, the memory was running at 127ish. Also the max PCI dividers were /4, so you needed some PCI and AGP devices capable of tollerating overclocks.

Tstep,
I'm confused. It sounds like you're saying I can't do this.
I'm set to get a Tualeron and OC it to 133.
Are you saying I need memory in the range of 150+.
My BIOS will let me push the CPU to 133 with the SDRAM in sync at 133.

Thanks

 

[ParatoOptimal]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Not all tualatins are celeron based, they have PIII based onese as well. Since you have 133MHZ FSB support I would get what ever fastest processor you can get for that system because upgrading to like a 1GHZ is pointless because for a little more you can get 400MHZ more in core speed. I've benchmarked a coppermine 1GHZ and a 1.4GHZ Celeron Tualatin and there was a significant performance boost. I took screen caps of it when I had it at the time, they were Sisoft sandra and 3D mark scores..

Philippine Mango,
What is power leap's web site?

Will I get 1862 out of a 1.4 Tualeron?

Thanks

 

[ParatoOptimal]

I found the following retail boxes ...
1.1A 100FSB/256KB Cache for $57
1.20 100FSB/256KB Cache for $45
1.30 100FSB/256KB Cache for $50
1.30 100FSB/256KB Cache for $47.50 (Open Box)

Why is the 1.1A the most expensive?

Thanks