Tualantin: Celeron vs. Pentium 3

[AllGamer]

Intel Celeron 1.20 GHz Socket 370 1200/256/100

Intel PENTIUM 3 1.10 GHz Socket 370 1100/256/100

Considering in the Past the P3 and Celeron had some actual diferences

would the above, make the P3 still faster than the Celeron?, or the Celeron is really faster in this case?

both are Tualantin core.

 

[InlineFour]

i'm pretty sure the p3s had 133mhz fsb.

to answer your question, the p3 will definately be faster.

 

[dexvx]

No, actually the Tualatin Celeron will pull ahead in most situations.

And actually, a P3-1100/100 is super rare, and its a Coppermine core. The only Tualatin P3's had 133 FSB (1.13 / 1.26 / 1.4).

 

[InlineFour]

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[AllGamer]

Thanks for the feedback guys, i'm shopping in Ebay.

Okay lets suppose the P3 1100/100 is the original coppermine core, so that will definitely make the Celery 1.2 /100 better, as in faster right?


Oh! damn sweet, just found a 1.3/100

Tualantin CELERON 1300 GHZ 256/100/1.5V

 

[dexvx]

By the way, Tualatin Core CPU's *might* not work in all 100 FSB motherboards.

The best 100FSB P3 based CPU is the 1.4Ghz Celeron.

 

[imported_goku]

Yea the tualatin core celerons are faster than the coppermine PIIIs, much faster than you think.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: InlineFour
i'm pretty sure the p3s had 133mhz fsb.

to answer your question, the p3 will definately be faster.

Originally posted by: dexvx
By the way, Tualatin Core CPU's *might* not work in all 100 FSB motherboards.

The best 100FSB P3 based CPU is the 1.4Ghz Celeron.

Tualatin CPU's came in both 100MHz and 133Mhz bus speeds. If your laptop runs a coppermine p3 and you want to upgrade it to a Tualatin then you are out of luck. There are two primary reasons why a Tualatin won't work: While both use the same socket 370, both CPU's have a differant electrical pin diagram. Pin #1 on a coppermine might be for power ground while the tualatin will use that same pin for data. They are incompatable. Two you need a Tualatin complient chipset plus a motherboard that can handle a tualatin CPU.

Also when shopping for a Tualatin CPU, keep in mind that there are two kinds of Caches in two differant sizes: Full Speed/Half Speed and 256k/512k. There are desktop and server versions of these chips as well on two differant bus speeds- 100 and 133 MHz. Coppermine is FCPGA while Tualatin is FCPGA2.

How ever there are a few rare breed motherboards that can run both Coppermine and Tualatin CPU's. Mine is a D815EEA2U and do not confuse that with a D815EEA2, the U stands for Universal.

And Yes, MHz for MHz the Tualatin is faster and more efficant. Early P4 Willamtte CPUs had a hard time beating some of the old Tualatin CPU's. Mine is a 1.4GHz Server Tualatin with 512K full speed Cache, it's the last revision of the great P3's, an SL657 on a 133MHz bus. Intel has rated this chip on it's CPUID string to run at 1600MHz but the default is 1400. My Intel board does not allow me to modify the multiplier or fsb so I am stuck at 1400.


Links:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/pentium_iii2
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL657
http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/12/20/...r_of_all_cpu_charts_part_1/page16.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Socket%20370%20(PGA370).html
http://www.pchardware.ro/Reviews/review.php?id=146

How to Modify an incompatable motherboard at your own risk (Inclusdes Tualatin and Coppermine Pin Diagrams/Shows the differance):
http://www.geocities.com/_lunchbox/tualeron_zm6_mod.html

 

[Auric]

Tualatin is more efficient than the Coppermine so it performs better at the same clocks. In addition, the Tualatin can clock much higher so that Celeron is much superior to the Pentium, providing the mainboard supports it of course. But in any case, adapters are available or mods possible (as Googer mentions). While the C1.4 is fastest at default, the C1.1 or 1.2 are actually better if you do not mind "reclocking" to 1500-1600 which may be possible without special cooling and in many cases not even requiring more than default voltage. The rest of the system simply uses multipliers and dividers applicable to the Pentium and therefore remains within standard specs.

 

[Googer]

Intel SL657

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Auric
Tualatin is more efficient than the Coppermine so it performs better at the same clocks. In addition, the Tualatin can clock much higher so that Celeron is much superior to the Pentium, providing the mainboard supports it of course. But in any case, adapters are available or mods possible (as Googer mentions). While the C1.4 is fastest at default, the C1.1 or 1.2 are actually better if you do not mind "reclocking" to 1500-1600 which may be possible without special cooling and in many cases not even requiring more than default voltage. The rest of the system simply uses multipliers and dividers applicable to the Pentium and therefore remains within standard specs.

I have a Celeron 1.3ghz on a Gigabyte GA-6OXT-A i815ep motherboard, It easily reached 1733mhz (13x133) with the standard HSF and no voltage increases(the ga-6oxt-a doesn't have any).
It can easily smoke a p4 2ghz in most tasks.

 

[Auric]

Schweetness.